I had all of these beautiful people in my life. They've always been there and I was never grateful
to them. I never thanked them for being there in my life. I never, yeah, I probably took them a bit
for granted. I wish it didn't take a fire for me to wake up to realise how special they were,
but I'm grateful that I realise that now as well. Hi, I'm Jess Rowe and this is the Jess Rowe
Big Talk Show, a podcast that skips the small talk and goes big and deep from love to loss and
everything in between. I want to show you a different side of people who seem to have it
all together in these raw and honest conversations about the things that matter. I don't know about
you, but I really crave connected conversations, so I'm going to dig deep to give you a new window
into the souls of the people we're curious to get to know and understand. There might be tears as
well as laughter as we celebrate the real life flaws and vulnerabilities that make us human.
The word inspiring gets thrown around a lot. However, Tariya Pitt is a woman who defines
that word. She's a bestselling author, motivational speaker, engineer, and iron woman. And you know
what? She's also a podcaster and it's called Tariya Pitt is hard work. I'm Tariya Pitt. I'm
on a quest to understand what happens when we're faced with the unimaginable. What do we learn from
doing hard things and do challenges actually make our lives better? Just over 10 years ago,
Tariya was racing in an ultra marathon when she was caught in a fire and received burns to 65%
of her body. Surviving against the odds, she rebuilt her life and is now a mum to two boys.
There's always a lot I want to talk to Tariya about when we get together and boy do we cover
a lot. Also, a heads up, we do talk about some heavy stuff, so please reach out if you need some
help. For me to see your beautiful face, to be able to talk with you, it is always such a treat
for me because I learn something from you each time. Oh gosh, do you? Yes. Do you? Ah,
okay. Well, thank you. I've been told I'm quite wise. How did you get wise? I mean, you're wiser
than Yoda. Big compliment, but I will accept that compliment graciously. I think it's obvious,
right? I think because I've been through a really traumatic experience. Some people might not grow
from it, but I was lucky that I had all of the right things in place. I had a really beautiful
partner who I'm still with today. I had great family and friends. I had awesome doctors and
nurses and physios. I had a really solid upbringing, so I had all of these things that were working for
me. I guess I don't call myself someone who's super positive or super optimistic. I think I'm
a realist, but I know that if I put in the work or if I do the time or I dedicate myself to my
recovery, then theoretically or hopefully I should see results from that. I don't know if that's
wise as such. Maybe pragmatic. Yes, because I've seen you speak publicly and you made me laugh.
I've seen you speak publicly. I loved it. I loved it. You were a riot of colour
in this fabulous dress. The audience was in your palm the whole time. I was like,
fuck, how do I do that? Oh, excuse me. I spoke after you and I'm going, oh my goodness,
this is going to be quite an act to follow. All of us here in this room, we're all so much
stronger and so much more powerful than we give ourselves credit for. All we need to do to unmask
our full potential is uncover the possibilities that lie up here. Hey, thanks so much guys.
Because your story, it made me laugh. It made me cry. It made me want to stand up and cheer
and that is what is, I think, so extraordinary about you. You are, I reckon, the most inspiring
person in Australia, if not the world. Thank you, Jess. I guess I don't feel very inspiring
on a day-to-day basis because I have a bad night's sleep from my kids. I wake up early,
my eyes are bleary-eyed. I have a coffee. I'm a little bit grumpy and irritable. I bicker
at my partner because he put a load of washing in the night before and he didn't hang it out.
Oh, yes. I know that.
It's just that I've got to rush the kids to school and then I've got a sore neck. I slept
on it wrong during the night. I don't wake up every day going, I am a graceful, elegant, wise,
inspiring human being and every person I have an interaction with today will walk away feeling
inspired and feeling powerful. I feel quite normal. I sometimes forget that I'm who I am.
Just because life's, you know, kids, work, partner, the domestic drudgery.
And that gets in the way, doesn't it? I think for all of us, it's kind of that routine,
the daily grind of things. And sometimes we sort of need those moments to step away and go,
oh my goodness, yes, this is what I can also do and this is what I've also done.
Yeah, for sure. And I think, like, I'm happy that the things that I bitch about these days
are my husband leaving the clothes in the washing machine. Because years ago, it wasn't like that,
right? The things that we were grappling with was that I had this catastrophic injury that I
wasn't sure if I'd be able to run again, that we weren't sure if we'd be able to have kids again.
So I guess to feel normal and to have that ability for that sort of stuff to be the biggest
problem in my day, I'm quite stoked about that. And I think being a mum for me,
it's, look, it's a thankless job. It's very thankless. It's relentless. But
it's also been good because I've got these other people in my life that I want to help
to educate and to nurture and to watch them grow up and to be present with them, all of those types
of things. And I think a lot of parents would go through that too. And you mentioned they're being
present. And I think as parents, my daughters and our teenagers, it's something that we often
grapple with because there's busy life, things are happening around us. And you do almost have
to take that step back and that time out to go, I need to be in the moment with you. And I recently
really enjoyed listening to you talk about your time on Celebrity Apprentice where you revealed
that mother guilt that you felt because you weren't present. And I feel that too at times. And
it's why I made a deliberate choice to step back from my full-time TV career and do other things
that I could work around family. But at the same time, I reckon as women, we give ourselves too
hard a time over that. I don't reckon blokes do it as much as we do. God, of course they don't.
Of course they don't. Like even doing this podcast or working today, I feel like I should
be with my kids. And I think that's something that comes from society. If you're classified
a good mother, that means you're at home with your children all day. And so if you're not at
home with your children all day, you do feel like a bad mother or you feel like you're
not doing a good enough job. And that whole concept is such
bullshit because these days, pretty much everyone has to work. And with the cost of living and
living pressures, most parents have to work. So it's kind of a bit ridiculous, right,
that we feel guilty about doing something that we inevitably have to do.
And I remember as well, someone said to me, and it was a really good piece of advice,
guilt means you've done something wrong. And we in fact have done nothing wrong.
We're just sort of living our lives and getting on with things. But it's still, I think, hard to
dislodge that sense of, oh no, I need to be in the moment. And you're talking about those terms of
being a good mom or bad mom. I know for me, when I went through my postnatal depression,
I felt like a bad mom. I felt like a failure. And we really need to talk more about these
sorts of things. So we're more than just these terms. We're flawed and there's nothing wrong
with that. None of us are perfect, are we? No, but I think that's why I love your
crap housewife stuff, right? Because you sort of just put it, you put it all out there for the
world to see, Jess. You know, if I'm at the park and I'm out chatting to a mom and I might say
something about, you know, how I'm tired or whatever, and she'll say, oh, well, no, I love
spending time with my kids. And then you feel bad because you've opened yourself up and then you
feel like you're being judged or you feel like there's something wrong with you because you're
tired because you've been running around after two kids all day. So I think people like you, Jess,
definitely change that in society by putting your crappy housewife nature out there. And I try to
do that as well. I try to be really open and honest. And I hate this word but authentic
because there's, I think the concept of having it all as in like having a beautiful home
and children with their hair brushed and having a romantic, thriving relationship with your partner.
I know that's not, that's not what my life looks like. And it's not mine either. I think the thing
is it's most people's lives are not like that but somehow there's that pressure that people
put on themselves. You know, Petey and I, we've been married now for 17 years and there are times
when we've got to put more work in or we're more snappy with each other and we're just not in the
groove. I mean, is there something for you and Michael that it's sort of, that keeps the spark
alive or are there moments of like, oh, I just want to go to sleep? No, no, no. It's definitely
and I think what I do is I try, like if I'm having a nice night with my husband and we're talking or
having a glass of wine, then I just try and enjoy that. And then on the nights where we are a bit
snappy or maybe bickering, I just kind of say, well, you know, this isn't the night where we're
going to stay up late drinking a glass of wine, talking about our future. This is the night where
everyone's going to go to bed early and then hopefully in the morning, things might look a
little bit different. So I think not having unrealistic expectations of the people in your
life, but also not having unrealistic expectations of yourself as well, not striving for this perfect
character. This image of being this amazing, you know, in tune woman who feels sexy and all
of this because let's face it, there are times when I mean, I don't feel sexy. It's sort of as
a 52 year old menopausal woman. I don't feel that sexy. You look good. You look good though
with that cat jumper. I'm looking at you. You've got this pastel pink jumper with a picture of a
cat on it. It's really doing it for me, Jess. It's really doing it for me. Yeah. But then,
you know, on a night you might get dressed up, have makeup on, wear a nice dress. Your husband
might say, you look really nice tonight. And you might be like, okay. So I think it's that whole
thing about not expecting to feel sexy all the time, not expecting to feel super happy and
energetic all the time, just lowering those expectations. And however you feel, whether
that's excited or happy, unmotivated or tired and stressed and sad is actually really fine
because they're just feelings and feelings dissipate. And maybe tomorrow you'll wake up
and you'll feel a little bit different. Yeah, it passes. But what about for you? When do you feel
sexy? When do I feel sexy? You know what? Okay. So I really love exercise. Probably no surprise,
right? So I love exercise. So I feel like when I'm at the gym, when I'm lifting weights or when
I'm smashing at the gym where I've just smashed a run, I feel really good about myself. I've got all
the endorphins running through my body. I look like shit because I'm all red and sweaty and my
hair is a mess. But I feel really good about myself. And I'll come home and I'll say to my
husband, touch my ass, just to feel the muscle. So that's probably when I feel sexiest,
when I've done some exercise. And the other side, if I haven't done anything, if I haven't
moved my body, if I've been working really hard or if I've had the kids a lot, I don't really
feel sexy in those times. I feel tired and a bit overwhelmed. Tell me about that sense of
feeling overwhelmed. I cannot begin to imagine after you went through that terrible accident,
I can't even begin to think how you kept going. How did you push through that?
I think it wasn't, you know, we always use this kind of aggressive language, right? Like how did
you defeat that or how did you push through that or how did you just keep going? I didn't
think like that. I'd think to myself, just make it through the day. And at the end of the day,
I'd try and think about things that I'd done well that day. So I'd say,
okay, so today you walked two laps through the hallway. You wore your mask for a couple of extra
hours. You watched a nice series with Michael. And so I'd look at those little baby steps as
winds. And on some days, I couldn't think of anything that had gone well. I didn't do well
at my physio. I didn't wear my mask. I wasn't nice to the people in my life. And on those days,
I'd try and celebrate the fact that I was still here. So I'd say, well, to read out, mate,
out of everything, you're still here. You're still living. Tomorrow's a new day. Hopefully that day
will be a little bit better. So rather than expecting myself to be able to run marathons
and do all this crazy stuff straight up, I lowered the bar, lowered the bar dramatically.
And part of that hurt. It hurt my ego because I was injured in this 100 kilometer ultra marathon.
And now I was celebrating walking two laps of the hallway. Those two thoughts don't really add up.
But I think I realized really early on at the start of my journey that it was
going to be really long and it was going to be really challenging. And I didn't know what my
future was going to look like. And I didn't know how well I'd recover. And I didn't know
if I'd go back to work or be active again. I have a family with Michael. I didn't know any of those
things. So rather than thinking about all of those what ifs and all of the uncertainty
surrounding that, I decided to just focus on taking my journey one step at a time. So I tried not to
get too ahead of myself. So when a thought came up, you know, what if you can't have kids with
Michael? I'd say to myself, well, the doctors haven't said that you wouldn't be allowed to have
kids. Don't worry about that just now. You can worry about that down the track. Right now, I just
want you to do a good job at your physio session. Or right now, I just want you to try and walk an
extra lap of the hallway. So I kind of narrowed my focus and tried to focus on just doing my
journey one step at a time. Listening to you- Sounds very logical. It sounds very logical.
And that's the thing. Listening to you talk in that way, it blows my mind. Were you as
single-minded as that in the midst of just that terrible pain and shock? Or did you talk to people
who helped guide you? Or were there times when you literally thought, actually, I want to die. I
don't want to be here anymore. Yeah. Yeah. All of those were true, Jess. So I'm an engineer. So by
nature, I am very logical. And I'm very good at following a system or following a process.
So sometimes I was really single-minded and rational and logical. And I'd think, cool,
worry about that later, Cherie. Just do a good job in your gym session today.
Other times, I thought, I can't do this. This is too hard. I don't know why everyone's so happy
that I'm still alive. I just want to be dead. I don't want to be here. I don't want my life to
look like this. This is shit house. I don't want to be here. So I did have thoughts like that for
sure. I think what was really helpful for me is I saw a psychologist who was really awesome
from my recovery. It was really good to speak to someone outside of my immediate circle about
what had happened to me and what I was going through. Because it's something that no one
really understands. Michael was there every day, but he didn't really understand. My mum was there,
but she probably had less of an understanding. And then friends and family, they were there for
me, but they weren't trained professionals. So I saw a psychologist. And what was the
other thing you asked me? What I wanted to talk more about was that sense of not wanting to be
around. Because it would have been easy to go down that path of actually, I want to die
and I'm going to die. Making almost that choice. And when you make that choice, unfortunately,
that's what can happen. Yeah. So I did want to die in the earliest stages when I was in hospital.
And this is going to sound really bizarre. But my dad is also very logical and practical by nature.
And I said to my dad, because I knew he'd understand where I was coming from. I said to my
dad, I want to kill myself. I don't want to be here. And my dad, who's super logical, he said,
okay, well, the doctor said in five years time, you should be back on your feet. So give yourself
five years and see how you feel. And if in five years you want to kill yourself, you can do it then.
And so I thought, okay, well, that's kind of good because I've got this timeline
or this deadline to try and work towards. And having those sorts of timelines and that logical
way of processing what was happening, to me, it sounds like that was what saved you.
No, I don't think that's what saved me. I think the doctors and nurses with their ex-
Yes, of course. But at the same time, the power of your mind and the strength, your inner strength.
No. No, because I think that's a disservice to the doctors and the nurses.
I get told a lot, the power of your mind or the strength of your mind was why you didn't die.
And I think, well, that's not really true. I had really awesome medical care. My doctors flew in
skin from America to save my life. They worked really hard. There was a team of nurses and doctors
around me for weeks and weeks on end. And so I survived the fire because of them. I think what
I've done since and how I've rebuilt my life, I think, yes, I will take credit for that. But I
also think it wasn't just me. I don't think we can achieve things by ourselves. And I've got really,
really lucky that I had this beautiful man, Michael, my rock, who supported me. He still
supports me. He supported me. He was in my corner. He was there with me in hospital from 7 in the
morning till 7 at night. He was consistent. He was committed. He was solid. So I had his love.
I had hope for our future that one day we would live a relatively normal life and we would be
able to have kids and we'd be able to travel and we'd be able to do all the things that we
said we wanted to do. And it's amazing. We're kind of living that life right now.
And I had really awesome friends and family as well. So I wouldn't have the life I have
if I didn't have those people in my life. What do you think almost in a way, looking back,
because it's what just over 10 years since the fire? Yeah. Yeah. And I don't want to say it was
a good thing because of course it wasn't a good thing, but the person that you now are,
you wouldn't be that person, would you? No, I feel like I've grown up a lot. And some of that's
probably due to age. Like maybe I would have gotten here before or close to here if I wasn't
burnt. I don't know. But I feel like I'm more, probably more compassionate, more empathetic,
more caring. I'm a better listener. And it's also made me more stubborn, which is saying something
because I was already super stubborn, super determined, super driven individual. And I've
probably all of those things a little bit more. But I also have this understanding that
if I have one regret about my life before the fire, it was that I had all of these beautiful
people in my life. They've always been there. I had my family. I had Michael Hoskin, my partner.
I had his family. I had my friends, had all of these awesome people in my life.
And I was never grateful to them. I never thanked them for being there in my life. I never,
yeah, I probably took them a bit for granted. And again, like very typical of a younger person
to do that. But I wish it didn't take a fire for me to wake up to realise how special they were.
But I'm grateful that I realise that now as well.
And listening to your talk there and listening to your podcasts and your motivational talks that
you give to people, you often use the word grateful. And what are we grateful for? And I
think that is so powerful because it's a way of resetting things that happen in our lives
and reframing how we can look at really awful, terrible things, isn't it?
Yeah, it is. And I do think we've got a culture of maybe toxic positivity where
everything has to have a silver lining and look for the gold or try and be upbeat and sparkly.
I think it's okay if you've been through something traumatic, whether that's a divorce
or getting burnt to 65% of your body by a bushfire, it is okay to say it's shit. You
don't have to find the silver lining straight away, if at all, because it is an awful,
horrible thing that has happened. And you are allowed to stay in that place and to acknowledge
it and to accept it. But I do find that if I change my focus, if I try really hard to look
at the positives from my situation, and there are many, there are so many, we live in Australia,
I wouldn't have survived if we lived in a developing country. I have really beautiful
people in my life. I'm quite privileged. I had a good education, a good upbringing. The media
was interested in my story. They wanted to hear me tell my story. Australia wants to hear my story.
How awesome is that? And because out of that, I've had all of these other really great opportunities
that have come along. And a lot of people who go through something traumatic might not have those
same opportunities. So for all of those things, I'm grateful for. And I think it's about looking
for the positives or trying to think of the good in your life or the things you're grateful for
rather than focusing on what's not so great or what's not as good.
Again, listening to you say that in such a beautiful, calm, measured way, it still blows
me away because you are someone who would have every reason to be bitter or embittered about
what happened. Jess, I'd have a really shit life then. If I was super bitter, Michael wouldn't
have hung around. He'd be like, I've tried to get this girl back on the feet and she doesn't want
to. Then I'd just be stuck inside all day watching TV by myself and I'd have no friends or partner
or family. That sounds really shit. I didn't want to do that. Yes, you wanted this life that you
have rebuilt and made for yourself, this beautiful life. Yeah, and it's a life that I'm
really frothing about. We're living up in Port Douglas. Michael's a helicopter pilot, so he says
to me he spent long enough being my handbag and it's time he did something of his own. I thought,
yep, you're right. It's his turn. Yep, it is your turn. So we're up here, two kids. I think we live
a really, really great life and I think we have this sense of appreciation for each other
that we might not ever have had had we not gone through this experience.
With your kids, I think about my daughters and how I'll talk to them about different
things that have happened in my life. Yeah. How do you talk to your kids?
So they're four and two, so they're very much focused on octanauts and if they can have dessert
before dinner, that type of thing. But when they ask me questions about my injuries, so Hakavai might
say, why don't you have the same hand as me? I'll say, well, because I was burnt in a fire and so
I've lost my fingers. So I've just tried to be really honest. I don't really think there's
anything else you can do, right? Just be honest and open. But it's not like I've sat them down
in front of 60 minutes and said like, okay, kids, you've got to watch this right now. No,
haven't done that. I think it'll be up to them. Exactly. And it's sort of incremental, isn't it?
That they, I often make the mistake because I do love to talk. I'll just say too much information
and my daughters will be like, they'll look at me and go, what are you talking about? Like we didn't
even ask that. Why are you telling us all of this? Mom, shush. Be quiet. I don't care factor zero.
You don't care. Oh gosh, my kids are going to speak to me like that one day when they become
teenagers. They will. But it's the joys, you know, it's all those different sorts of joys.
Another reason why I really love you is that I think you're the most wonderful role model for
young girls about standing up and saying, okay, I might be different. This has happened to me,
but I'm still beautiful. And I'm still a cover girl. Because I mean, you're an amazing cover
girl. You've been on so many covers, you know, to use your words. And I'm still badass. Is that how
I say it with the accent? I always want to say bad ass, but. See, that wasn't cool, was it?
That was the opposite of cool. And I'm not even cool. So it was so far down the other spectrum.
That was really important to me though, Jess, because, you know,
straight after my accident, I read some of the media stories that were written about me,
and they were full of pity. And people's comments about me were pitiful. And I really railed against
that because I thought, well, yeah, I've had an accident. I get it. I get that I've had an accident.
I get that I look different. But I'm still entitled to live a really big life. And I can still do
things that I want to do, like doing Iron Man and things like that. And I think for me,
it's a really great example of diversity, right? To see a woman on our screens, like celebrity
apprentices or on our magazines, that's a woman of colour that looks visibly different,
and she's still out there living her life to the best of her abilities. So I think that was really
important to me. I think especially these days, it feels like maybe, I don't know, maybe young
girls want to look like this perfect Instagram model. Maybe some people do look like that,
but I think most of us don't really. And so I'm happy to be the counter example.
And I love that. I think that's so important. And we talk a lot about beauty in society,
and it's such a sort of currency for people. When do you feel most beautiful?
Probably when I'm exercising, which sounds really,
like I'm not sure how many people would say they feel beautiful when they're exercising,
but I feel strong. I feel fit. I feel empowered. When I don't feel beautiful,
or like if I'm dressed up to go out with my friends or go out with the girls, whatever,
I feel pretty good. If I'm tired, if I'm stressed, if I haven't been taking care of myself,
if I've had a fight with Michael, if I just feel like shit, I don't feel very good about myself
then, and I don't feel beautiful either. And tell me as well, when you look in the mirror,
all of us look in the mirror at different times and feel different things. What do you feel? What
do you see? I feel that what I see differs based on how I'm feeling. So you probably get that.
There's an ongoing trend here. So if I feel good about myself, if I'm spending time with people
who make me feel good about myself, if I'm doing great, meaningful, cool work, like chatting to
Jessica Rowe, I feel good about myself. If I'm looking after myself, if I'm going to the gym,
if I'm going for runs, if I'm exercising, if I'm eating good, nutritious food, if I'm getting
enough sleep, all of those things, if I then look at the mirror, I'll say,
you look pretty good today. You look pretty good. You're killing it.
On the other hand, if I've had a fight with someone, if I've done something that I'm not proud of,
if I've snapped at my kids, if I've inhaled two blocks of chocolate,
and then I haven't eaten lunch, if I'm, did I say tired? If I'm stressed, if I've got work on,
that is important work, but I'm stressed and I can't do it, and the kids are screaming,
Michael's stressed, and at those times I don't. Yeah, if I look in the mirror, I feel haggard,
to be honest, I feel haggard. No one wants to feel or look haggard.
And picking up there on what you're saying, it really is about what is inside of us that makes
us feel about our exterior, doesn't it? Yeah, I guess. I hate that platitude,
like, oh, beauty is only skin deep, because it's like, well, no, that's bullshit, because if I have
my hair done, wearing cool threads, got cool makeup on, I'm feeling pretty bad arse.
See, now that's how to say it. That's how to say bad arse.
So I think, I do think our exterior does help us with how we feel about ourselves. So I think if
wearing lipstick makes you feel more beautiful and better, knock yourself out, you know,
go for it. If getting a new haircut or getting Botox makes you feel better about yourself,
great, because I think there is so much, especially for women, there is so much in our world
designed to make us feel shit, to make us feel less than, to make us feel like we're not worthy.
So if there's something that makes you feel good, go for it.
Talking to you makes me feel good, because what you do beautiful is that you lift
other women up. You make us feel good about who we are.
Well, that's good, because I feel like, you know, we're all just doing our best. We're trying to
provide for our families. We want to be good mums and good partners and good daughters
and have really strong relationships with other people. So I feel like if you feel good about
yourself, all of those things are a lot easier. I hope you know that. Do you know that the impact
you have on people? I think on some people. I also think, yeah, I don't know how to answer that
question. Why? Why? Tell me why? It feels ungracious. Oh, come on. Well, no, but you're
not ungracious. And I think- No, no. That's not in your makeup. So-
No, but I think I'm naturally, I'm an introvert. So I love writing. If you were to ask me what
my ideal day would be, it would be doing some exercise in the morning, having a good,
healthy breakfast with my family, going on like a hike, doing some writing, that type of stuff. It
wouldn't be, you know, going to a party or going out and seeing heaps of people or that type of
stuff. So I'm probably, yeah, an introvert. Introverted. What about you?
Well, you can be introverted, but still what you do by your writing, by the times when you
are on the telly, when you're on Celebrity Apprentice, when you do your motivational
speeches, that's what has the impact on people too. Seeing you, leading your life on social media,
all those sorts of things have an impact. So you're still doing you, but that still impacts on
people. God, I feel like you're my mum right now. Just give it-
The uncool mum. Yeah, no, a very cool mum. Yeah, a very cool mum.
I suppose what I want to finish on is, you know, you've spoken a lot about
exercise and physicality and how that's such an important part of your life.
Yeah, do you like exercise? No, the words-
Because you've got, you've got like a banging, you've got like a banging body.
Fun. So that just comes from eating chocolate.
It is, from caramel. You see, I like to eat the caramel.
Right, okay, good to know. Yeah, and the words fun and run,
Teria, don't for me go together. Whereas I know for you, it's like fun, run, like no thanks.
Well, I find running for me has given me the confidence that I could do things that were hard.
Right? So that's, that's what it has done for me because when you're in a race or you're running,
there's times during that which are really hard where you want to give up,
but you still find it in you to take that next step. And so I think being a runner obviously
helped me a lot with my recovery and my journey, having that kind of understanding that if
something's hard, it doesn't mean it's bad. And knowing that I am capable of doing stuff that's
hard. So I think that really helped me with my recovery. And now I like teaching mums to run
because, you know, you can stand on the stage, you can speak to people, you can say,
you've got the inner resources to do whatever is required and you've got the inner resources
to be able to cope with whatever life throws your way. And people just sit there and they go,
yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. But they might not realise that lesson for themselves.
That's really cool when I'm teaching these mums how to run is that over the time frame of 10
weeks, you know, their first run's 10 minutes and they think they can't do it, then they do it,
then they're all excited. You know, they've done something that they thought was never possible.
So what else in their life would they be able to do? So you show them what is possible.
You know what, if I was ever going to do running, I'd want to do a run with you.
Can you do it? I will. I would love to say it. Okay, let's chat off this. I will coach you
personally. Jess, how about that? You'll be in bed eating your curry milk and I'll text you,
hey Jess, have you done your run today? Hey, have you done your run? Have you gone out for your run?
Well, it has been such a joy to talk to you. I love talking with you because as I said at the
very start, I always learn something from you and you always leave me feeling lighter and better
about what I can do in my life to make a difference. So I thank you for that. I send
you so much love and yes, I will maybe run with you the next time. I love that. Yes, I will maybe.
Love you gorgeous. That is commitment. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
Bye. Bye. Oh my goodness. Do you see what I mean about Teria? There is always so much
that she shares. She teaches me so many things, but she didn't teach me how to say
bad ass. See, even that just sounds so lame, doesn't it? Because, you know, me in my sort of
fancy pants way and not wanting to swear, I kind of go bad ass, but it's still not quite right.
But anyway, I just adore talking to her, learning from her. And if you do want to learn more
about Teria, do not miss her incredible ongoing podcast, Teria Pitt is hard work.
Now in this podcast, Teria shares stories of resilience that inspire you to take on
life's biggest challenges. And she is living proof of that. And now for more big conversations
like the one that we've had with Teria, search the Jessrow Big Talk Show podcast. And while you're
there, I'd love you to follow the show. I know you follow already, but spread the word. I mean,
I have mentioned t-shirts. We've got to get some sparkly t-shirts printed with the Jessrow
Big Talk Show podcast written right across the front. Now, if you did enjoy this episode,
I reckon that you will also enjoy my chat with the darling Stephanie Rice, who's a great mate of mine.
For me, I always try to learn from every situation. And sometimes you have to look in the eyes your
fear and go like, why do I like worry about this? Or why is this consuming me so much?
And I feel like when you actually really look at your fears, like and really kind of put work
into looking at it, you often do find like the reason why, as well as Candice Warner.
Well, that's the power of positive thinking. I just thought I can do this. I can do this. I
can do this. If you tell yourself something enough, then you believe it. And that's like
in a negative way as well. If you tell yourself you can't do something, then you're not going to
be able to do it. But I just kept saying, I can do this. I can do this. And I did.
The Jessrow Big Talk Show was presented by me, Jessrow, executive producer, Nick McClure,
audio producer, Nikki Sitch, supervising producer, Sam Kavanagh. Until next time,
remember to live big. Life is just too crazy and glorious to waste time on the stuff that doesn't