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Went into probably a little bit of depression without realizing what it was for a couple of years after that
Really struggled to get myself going and motivated and it was hard time really hard time
I think as time goes on the pain definitely lessens and you
It's always gonna be a loss that you never have in your life. That's the thing that you you're never gonna get back
Hi, I'm Jess Rowe and this is the Jess Rowe big talk show a podcast that skips the small talk and goes big and deep
From love to loss and everything in between I want to show you a different side of people who seem to have it all together
In these raw and honest conversations about the things that matter
Singer songwriter and guitarist Pete Murray makes music
Which has been the soundtrack for many of the big moments in our lives for me
It's got me through heartbreak and it's also helped me celebrate
Peter's released seven albums and is one of only a few Aussie artists with over
1.2 million album sales along with 17 aria nominations
And he's just released a best-of collection of his most popular singles
And while we know Pete's music, we don't know a lot about the man behind the guitar
And that's why I really wanted to have him on the podcast
Hey Murray, I've got butterflies seeing you
Yes, I do. You are seriously handsome and you can sing
But why for me it is such a joy to be talking to you is your music
I just love your music when your first album came out
I was in my early thirties and your songs are such a soundtrack to moments in my life
And I'm sure I'm not the first person that said that
No, you're not. You're not. It's funny isn't how many people that I've bumped into
And that album in particular is just such a massive album
Especially this is well before days of Spotify and iTunes and streaming
So that physically went around the world on CDs
And Chris Marshall, the actor, English actor
I think so. Isn't he the guy who was in love actually
And he played that character who moves to America
I've just worked out why I can never find true love
English girls. They're stuck up, you see
And I am primarily British
English girls. They're stuck up, you see
And I am primarily attractive to girls who are, you know, cooler
Like American girls
So I should just go to America
I was in LA and I've just finished doing the Blizzco Blue album
Tom Rock dropped the producer
And we've come in to meet Tom and he was with a couple of friends
And one of them was Chris and I'm like
Oh, I know you. But before I could even say
Wow, nice to meet you, he said
Pete Murray. I was like, how do you know me?
And he went to Fila
He said he had a friend in Australia that came back to the UK
And brought Fila back
So all of our friends were just into this album
So it was really one of those albums that just went everywhere
And obviously set my career up
Which I'm very grateful for
It went ballistic
And I think as well with your sound
It is so Australian
And that's what I love about it
To me, I just think of the beach and big open skies when I hear you sing
Here you are, 30 something years later
Releasing your best of
And you're at this place in your career and in your life
Did you ever think that was possible?
Well, not at that stage, no
You know, I thought that that album was destined to fail
I think sometimes you go into a bit of a post album blues
After an album can be released
And you just can't hear anything good about it
And I just didn't hear anything good about that album
I thought that I'd failed
And I didn't think I was going to work
And had everyone around me going
This is fantastic, really great
You know, and I just couldn't hear it
I thought, well that's it
I was really upset with myself
Because I thought that's it
And that was my chance
One chance, I got signed to the record label
It was my one chance to give them something that they can work with
And I just completely screwed it up
And it just isn't going to work
So you thought it failed though
What made you think this is a failure?
But you know, when you're in that mindset
You don't sort of hear anything really great about it
You know, I think once the guys from the label were saying
That we've taken three artists to
They were doing this session
Where they would basically get the radio guys to come in
And play them a track from each new artist
And I was the new artist
So they weren't expecting much from me
And they were almost saying
Look, we would go
Hey, this is the first artist
And he's the second artist
And then we've got this other guy, Pete Murray
They weren't expecting much
They were expecting maybe
I think they said
If we can sell 20,000 albums for this
For the life of this album
And I remember thinking
Wow, that's a lot
If I can sell 1,000
That'd be pretty cool
I think it went on to sell over 500,000
But all the producers at the radio stations were just going
What's this sound?
We want this sound
And then suddenly it just went from
I guess from the Triple J
And commercial radio very quickly
And even the label was saying
Look, we've never had an artist where
We've had the commercial radio calling us
And going how come they've got it
And we don't have it
So it just was one of those things
That just really took off
I think after a while
I started to kind of relax a bit
And realised that it wasn't quite as bad
As what I thought it was
How long did that take
To sort of finally go
I mean I was kind of
I wasn't quite all down in the dumps about it
But I just thought
For some reason I didn't like
The sound of the album and what it was
And so it was eight years later
That I got a text message from Darren Middleton
From Powderfinger
Mate, I've just been listening to Feeler
And I was thinking
Is it a great album?
What is so good about this album?
I hadn't listened to it from start to finish
This is something that I'm going to have to try
I've never been able to listen to this album
From start to finish
I just couldn't do it
I'd get through the first couple of songs
So I thought today
Eight years later
I'm going to play it
And I'm not going to turn it off
I'm not going to criticise it
I'm just going to listen to it
And I think after so long
You do stop criticising
And pulling it apart
And I could have done that
I could have done this
And I could have sung that differently
And so I just listened to it from start to finish
And at the end I actually went
Actually that's a really good album
So eight years I had been really
Giving myself a really hard time
And for no reason at all
And are you gentler on yourself now?
I try not to be so critical
And there's like a three month period
From when I record something
I give it a break
And I listen to it again
Because it's just weird
If you listen to it straight away
I don't hear the goodness in it
And I need to sort of stop
And just give it a break
And then listen to it again
And give it fresh ears
I like that with my photos as well
Because my wife takes a lot of my press photos
And she's always giving me hard times
She's like, these look good, you look good
I'm going, no, I don't like that one
And then three months later
I'm going, why didn't you give me that photo?
That's a great photo
So you're a perfectionist?
I think I am a perfectionist, yeah
You most definitely are a perfectionist
Also what I want to talk to you about is
I mean, you have incredible talent
But what other qualities do you reckon you have
That meant you've had such an incredible music career?
I was always into sport
So swimming, athletics, footy
Those were the three things that I played
And I grew up in Chinchilla, a small country town
So I moved to Brisbane
And I hurt my knee playing rugby
There was a pivotal moment
Where I was a chance of making the Australian Sevens team
To go over to Hong Kong
And I'd come off a couple of seasons of athletics
Where I was running the 800 and 400
So I was super fit
And that's why I was good at Sevens
I had skill as well
But I had the fitness where the other guys couldn't last as long
So I would just kind of keep going for the whole game
And if someone kicked it, I'd run through
I'd pick it up and score the try
So it was easier for me to do that
But I injured my knee
It was an anterior and posterior cruciate
So it was quite a bad injury
Which really set me back
And I never really got back onto the paddock again
Until years later
But in the meantime, I picked up a guitar
And I was studying at the time
And I decided to take some time off
And by the time I came back
I was really into playing music and playing the guitar
And I started to write songs
And it was just funny how it all worked
So it was very late for me to make that happen
But I think having the determination with sport
I really just carried that across to music
And I kept the same mentality that way
Where I was really focused, wrote down my goals
What I needed to do, what did I need to do to achieve that
Probably not what many musicians do, I guess
But I think coming into music
Because I did my first independent album at 30
I couldn't really muck around
This either had to work or it wasn't going to
So I really was kind of focused on
Yeah, really I guess having a bit of a strategic plan
To how do I do this as an old guy
Oh come on, but 30's not old
For the music business, you know what I mean
Yes, and I think though what's so fascinating
Is hearing you talk about applying sort of a sporting mindset
To such a creative, imaginative career as well
That you're able to apply that same single mindedness
But it's a different sort of skill set though I think
Oh very much, you know
But I think with sport you've got to put time into it
And with music you've got to put time into it as well
Songwriting, you've got to be there
I started to treat it like a job
Where I would get up in the morning
I jump on the guitar straight away and start writing
And then I'd go have some breakfast and come back down
So I spent probably a good couple of years
Learning the art of writing
And just spending all my days putting it together
I was doing a couple of covers gigs
On a Friday night, Saturday night
That was it, just to sort of keep some cash coming in
So that kind of kept me going
And then once I sort of had enough material of new music
I was like okay that's it, no more covers
I'm going to start to do the original music
And that's when you really jump in the deep end
And it's not easy
No, and I think in a way though
What I think is so amazing talking with you
And hearing you describe is that you'd go for it though
But you're in a hurry as you say to make it happen
You say it's old at 30 to be beginning your music career
When did you realise, okay I've made it?
The first one that I really remember was playing
Bar Broadway and Feeler had come out
We had the song Feeler had just been on the radio
It just started to take off
But only very early days
And I remember turning up to Bar Broadway
Which was I think passive about 400 people
It wasn't massive
We did soundcheck during the afternoon
Went home, had dinner, came back to do the show
And there was a massive line up going
Right around the building and way down the road
I'm thinking oh fantastic
This is like someone else is playing down the road
And they're all going to this guy
They're going to come and see me
So we wonder how many people we'll get
Really not thinking that I'd get many
Going inside and then the place was packed
And they turned away thousands of people
I think at that moment I was thinking
Wow this is exciting
And I came out to sing the first song
Which is the last song on that album called 10 Foot Tall
Which I thought not many people will know this
But I said to the band
Look I'm going to start this on my own
Just test the waters and see what sort of crowd we've got here
Sometimes when you do have a song
That is taking off on say Triple J
You will get people just come along
There'll be a few people that will know it
But there'll be a crowd that just come along
Because people are going to see this new guy
And they're not really interested
They don't really know you
So they can talk over you
So I thought what are we up for tonight?
Came out and I played 10 Foot Tall
Which I thought no one will know
And pretty much everyone's saying word for word back to me
And I was like wow
I just couldn't believe it
And the band was sort of peeping through the curtains
Going what is going on?
Were you nervous?
Were you nervous before you started that song?
I was nervous probably for the first 12 months
Of what was happening
Because every time I go on stage it was a new thing for me
Because the crowds got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger
And it just happened so quickly
So I was nervous all the time
Now I'm totally fine
I don't get nervous anymore
It's what you get used to
But at that moment I think in that time
In that first six months
It was just wow there's a bigger crowd today
We've sold this one out
We're going to put another show on
And it just kept going and going
So I think that first show was the first time that I thought
This might actually work
This might actually work
And everything that you've put into it
It's so satisfying to have that feeling
When people are singing your own lyrics back to you
That's the first time I experienced that
It was incredible
Give me more of a sense for what that is like
I can't begin to imagine that
As you say people singing your words back to you
Yeah it's something that not many people get to experience
I think that those songs end up
You know they're songs that are very special to me
The songs that I've written
And that particular song was about a girl who passed away from cancer
And I just think the connection that people have with that song
Once they found out what it was about as well
It had more of a connection
But I think that album as you said people had a connection to it
Lyrically it just worked for everyone
So when they were singing these songs back
It was just with such passion
And some people were crying
And some people were screaming and just yelling
It was just like it was a really exciting time
So to have your own lyrics come back to you is a really amazing feeling
I've had another song called Better Days
And this song has saved lives
And the first time I experienced this
This is the most amazing experience I've ever had
I was out somewhere
I think we played a show in Rockhampton I think it was
And the band I went out one time
And had a couple of drinks after the gig
And I just remember feeling this massive hand on my shoulder
And I turned around and it was a security guy
And I looked at him and I just thought
Someone in the band has done something stupid here
Normally the drummer or the bass player
They're the guys that do the silly things on tour
And I thought I'm about to be thrown out
What's happening?
And the guy had tears coming down his face
And I'm like are you okay Meg?
And he's like I've got to thank you so much
I was going through a really hard time
Lost his wife, lost his family
He was just really struggling, lost his business
He just wanted to end it all
But he listened to this one song, Better Days
The lyrics, in the morning, at night
Every time he would wake up and go to bed
And it really helped him believe that
Yes, you will get through this
You'll be better, you'll be much stronger for it
So he said you saved my life
And that's just, that's the best
When anyone says that your lyrics have saved their life
That's just, I can't tell you how that makes you feel
So singing the words back is amazing
But when someone says that to you, that's like
And that's a superpower
It makes you feel great when you can change someone's life
The way of thinking, whether it's just that
Or another song opportunity
It's just really about following your dreams
And making sure that if you're not happy with what you're doing
Then change it, you know
My life's always been
I'm not about money, I'm about lifestyle
So I got into music thinking
It's a great lifestyle
I'm going to travel the world
You know, what's the job I can do that can take me around the world
And music was the thing
And so for me it's been, that's really what I want to do
And I haven't been worried about
You know, even like we talked earlier
About being older in the music business
And some people go, I'm too old and I can't do this
And you're told you're too old
And I was told you're too old
When were you told that?
I remember doing an interview on the independent album when it came out
And someone said, if you haven't had success
By the time you're 24 in the music business
Then you're never going to make it
And they said, what do you think about that?
And I said, oh, well, that's BS
You know, if you write a good song, you write a good song
And it will get out there
So I've been a big believer in trying things
And you know, I don't want to be stuck doing
I started off doing natural medicine
But I didn't want to be doing that forever
And then I got into music
And before that, I was working in hospitality, you know, early on
And it's like, I don't do that
I love doing the athletics
The natural medicine is great
And I would have enjoyed that
But it wasn't going to take me around the world
So music was the thing that was going to take me around the world
It's risky, very challenging, very hard to have success in
Very hard to maintain success in
That's the other thing too, if you have success
Trying to have a career out of it is really challenging
But I love that, you know, that for me
I guess that's where I get my sport background
Okay, what have I got to do now to stay here?
How can I make it happen?
You mentioned the natural medicine that you were studying
During that time, you met a friend, Charlie
Who you've named your eldest son after
And he was the one who encouraged you to pick up a guitar, wasn't he?
I had never thought of music
It was never, ever on the radar for me
And Charlie, we became really good mates
And he came into my room one day
And just said, you know what?
He was a really excitable kind of a guy
And he was doing teaching at the time
So he said, you know what?
I'm going to go and get a guitar lesson
I've always wanted to do it
And I'm going to go and do it
And I thought, that sounds really good
That sounds great
I've never thought about doing that
Maybe I'll do the same
So straight away I was on the phone to a friend's brother
Who I knew he had a guitar
And I said, can I borrow your guitar for a couple of weeks?
And I ended up borrowing it for like 12 months
He had to ask for it back
But I took that and started to learn how to play
But Charlie had no idea that I was doing this
So I went and had a few lessons
And then just taught myself what to do
So I sat at home for a couple of years
And just didn't even let anyone listen to what I was doing
No one knew that I could play and sing
So Charlie came back to Brisbane
And I said, let's catch up
I want to show you something
So he came around
And we started playing some Neil Young songs
And he was just like, whoa
Like, how did you do that?
And I said, well, this is because of you
That's why I started, you know
So thanks, you know
He was just blown away
And then sadly, I think it was only one or two years later
Charlie had an aneurysm and passed away
So, but you know, I'm a big believer in fate
And I really do believe I was meant to meet him
And he was meant to get me into music
And that's how it started
And what an impact, as you say, Charlie has had on your life
And that you named your firstborn son after him
There was never any doubt that if I had a boy
He was going to be called Charlie after Charlie
I think that's a nice thing to do
For someone that you've been cared about
And who was special in your life
And, you know, wasn't there long enough, unfortunately
But that's life, isn't it?
You know, we have to deal with that
And you have dealt with a lot of sadness in your life too
With your dad passing away when you were only 18
Yeah, that was a real shock for us
I had just finished grade 12
And dad had had a pain in the chest about a week before he passed away
And went to the docs in Chinchilla is where we lived
They did an ECG, but that doesn't pick up
This is back a while ago
You know, that didn't sort of have the probably
I guess what they should have known
What they should have done is probably send him to Brisbane
But they checked there and said nothing came up
And then he had another pain in the chest
I think two days later on that was on Sunday
And then on the Tuesday
And then another one on the Wednesday
So he had like these pretty massive pains in the chest
That sort of pretty much put him down
And he couldn't walk and do anything at the stage
So they said, look, what have you been doing?
Have you been doing anything different?
He said, I've been doing some weights and some walking
And they said, well, just rest up
But mum and dad were a little bit concerned about it still
So I was competing at the national titles for the schoolboys
On that weekend in Brisbane
So they came down to Brisbane
They watched me run the 800 heats and final on the Saturday
I had the 400s on the Sunday
And after my race, they went to see a doc in Brisbane
So the guy in Brisbane was like, I'm really concerned
So we need to get you in Monday morning and do some tests
Because this shouldn't be happening
And he said, look, I'm that concerned about you
Here's my home number
If you have any problems at all, call me straight away
And meet me back at the hospital
And this is Saturday that he spoke to dad
That night dad had a pain in the chest
And we called the doc
He got an ambulance organised
They took dad to the hospital
And he never came home
Had a heart attack that night and died
So I think the timing was really unfortunate
That we didn't get something sorted a bit earlier
And that was a massive loss for me
At 18 at that stage
I turned 18 two months earlier
And we went out for dinner with mum and dad
And I had my first drink with him
And it felt like you were really connecting as an adult
Not just a father and son
It was like friends
And then he was taken from me two months later
So yeah, that was a really hard thing
And I went into probably a little bit of depression
Without realising what it was
For a couple of years after that
Really struggled to get myself going and motivated
And yeah, it was a hard time
As you say as an 18-year-old
To lose your dad at such an important
I mean, any time in your life is important
But that's, oh, that's so difficult
That's right, any time is really a difficult time
I think, you know, when it's a shock like that
You're not expecting it
I think that's the really hard thing
You have to deal with the shock
That, you know, I think at dinner that night
We were laughing and having a great time
And then a few hours later he passed away
Yeah, it was a really difficult thing to get over
Do you ever get over something like that?
You do, you're able to deal with it
I think as time goes on
The pain definitely lessens
And it's always going to be a loss
That you never have in your life
That's the thing that you're never going to get back
So there's always a little bit of pain there
When you start to talk about it
And go back and think about it
You know, it does bring up a lot of emotions for you
But you do tend to deal with it, you know
And I think having another family for me, kids
You know, that sort of brings that joy in
And for my goal now is to be there for my kids
I don't want that to happen to them
So that's, you know, I want to be an old dad if I can
So it's a really terrible thing to go through
Because you made that quite deliberate decision
Didn't you, to step away from music for a while
What was it, six years?
Because you wanted to be with your sons
Yeah, I'd gone through a marriage split up
So for me, you know, my boys were everything
So I wasn't writing anything new
I just did a little bit of touring here and there
But it was really just, you know, spending as much time with them as possible
Which was fantastic for me
You know, like, I was always at their sporting events
And their school events
And, you know, where a lot of other parents couldn't make it
I was there, I was lucky because my job was allowing me to have time with them
So I don't regret a thing for that
I remember coming back into the music business after that time
And things had changed quite a bit
You know, with Spotify and, you know, streaming
And going, OK, what's this streaming thing?
So things had changed, but I don't regret that at all
It was the time that I needed
And great to have that time with them
And great memories, you know, that's the thing you have in life
Those memories you have with the kids and the bond that you make with them is so important
And, you know, I don't understand parents that don't really want to do that
That's something that I never understood
So for me, it's always been, you know, I want to be part of their life
And be involved in that
And didn't you play handball?
Didn't you go handball every morning at the school?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely
Every morning I'd go there and play with the boys
Even when I didn't have custody of them
I'd still rock up there and meet them and play handball with all their mates
And so you kind of had that little friendship group as well that I'd be involved with
Yeah, look, all those things are really great moments
And yeah, just because they don't have the custody of them doesn't mean you can't see your kids
You work out ways you can do that to make it special
So I think that they probably just took it for granted for a little while
That Dad was going to rock up, he's here and, you know, he's there
And if I would go on tour, I'd be like, oh, okay, you weren't there today
So yeah, I'll just have to go away for a weekend and try and earn some money to keep playing handball with you guys
And did they think you were pretty cool?
Or is it just sort of our parents are so embarrassing, my dad's embarrassing?
No, at that stage they did think I was pretty cool, I think, when they were young, you know
And all their mates, you know, primary school, they probably didn't know my music too much
But they probably heard through their parents, oh, your dad's famous, you know
And they started to listen to a little bit of my music
And I remember there was a song called Always a Winner
And the boys were in the back singing it one day
I took them on the road with me, wherever I could, I'd take them on the road
And they'd come up and do shows with me
And they were in the back of the car and they were arguing over who was, you know, like, let me sing
No, let me sing, let me sing, I'm going, you can share it, boys
No, no, no, they just blew about trying to sing this song
So, you know, there's great memories like that when you're, I think, taking the kids on the road
Because it's not your standard job that other parents have, you know
And these guys come away and they get to go to festivals, they get to go to theatres and see crowds
And there was one time I played a show in one of the wineries down in Victoria
And Pedro, who's turned 16 soon, he must have only been eight or seven or something like that around that age
Because they would sort of hang with my guitar techs while they're doing stuff
So anyway, I sort of finished my guitar for that song, had to change guitars
And out comes this guitar with his little hand holding it
And the guitar was the same size as Pedro, you know, he's walking out
And the crowd just love it, you know, when that sort of comes in, oh, that's my boy, Pedro
So many great memories, so I remember playing a show in London
And Charlie was only probably 18 months or something like that
And finished the show, it was a great vibe, it was the Shepherd's Bush Empire
For those who have been to Shepherd's Bush Empire in London, it's a great theatre
Three thousand people just in the prime of everything just going crazy
And I thought, this is amazing, I said, yeah, thank you
I'm holding the guitar up and saying thanks
The next minute the crowd just lifted again
And I remember thinking, wow, they really love me, these guys, it's really
This is a really amazing thing, they've just gone another level, so thank you
You know, next minute I felt these two arms around my legs
And oh, that's why they've gone up another level
So I picked Charlie up and waved to the crowd
And even my daughter Sachi, who turns five now, I was at another winery show out here
She came out and I just held her and we sang a bit together
So look, those things are really incredible memories for me
And I think for the kids too, like who gets to do that?
Who gets to go out and wave to thousands of people and have people going, oh, you know
So these guys, they're on a high when they come off stage too
So it is, it's a pretty, it's an amazing life
And you're sharing it with them, so you've got your two boys
And now you've got two girls as well
Are you a different kind of dad now?
I've got to say, boys are easier than girls
I'm a different dad because it's like, oh my god, what has just happened to my life?
The emotions with the girls
The boys would just, they'd be wild, you know
And you'd be sort of pulling your hair and going, slow down
Especially when you're going shopping
Or, you know, we were overseas one time in Germany
And the boys were running around trying to get them to slow down
And next minute it was like slow motion
One of them hit, you know, outside on the streets
They've got all the postcards
And there was a row of four of them
And the boys of course hit one
It was like do-do-do-do-do-do
And these cards went everywhere
And I'm just like going, oh
I could not apologise enough
Then the owner's just like, just get away, go, go, go
You know, I'm like, I'm so sorry
And it's like, them boys like, listen to me
But they could be told
Okay, that's all right
We've just upset dad
Dad doesn't get upset very often
So let's stop this now
If I do this to the girls
They go, what are you going to do?
And they just like, keep going
I'm like, okay, all right
So it's challenging
And maybe a bit more delicate with girls too
Maybe that's my problem
It's lovely to be like that
I think, because I've got two daughters
They're 14 and 16
And I see the relationship their dad has with them
And he's really gentle and a softie
It makes my heart melt
And it's a relationship that I'm really enjoying at the moment
I can't wait for them to get a bit older as well
And there's that bills too
We talk boy stuff
You know, with the girls
It's like they're into the girls things
And they're dressing up
And there's the dolls
And can you, you know
Can you wear this
And it's like, okay
Can I do your hair
And it's like, okay
So it's different
And I'm so glad that I've done the two boys and the two girls
Because they both play with each other
And the girls love the boys, you know
And the boys really love the girls too
So there's a good age difference there now
That the boys are older
When you took that time out to be with your boys
And you took that break from music
Did you ever think you'd go back
No, I was always going to continue with music
I mean, I love it
And I hear people
When they kind of give the rolling stones a hard time
When are they going to stop doing it?
It's like, these guys
Why would you stop?
It's such an amazing feeling to play live
And that's why these guys keep going
That's why they keep doing it
Because they've got
Not only they've got great songs anyway
But it's so much fun to play live
For me, playing live music with your mates
You like brothers, they like family
And you just have this vibe that's just happening
That is an amazing feeling
And especially if you're lucky enough
To have a good following
Then you've got a crowd there in front of you too
Even if you don't have a big crowd
It's still such a good fun thing to do
But if you've got both
It's an amazing thing to get around
And travel the world
And go to different venues
And different countries
And different cities
And it's the best thing
So there was never a point
Where I was going to stop
I really, you know
Just trying to better myself every time
Is really what I want to do musically
You're never going to have the same success
As what you have when you first come out
That's something you never experience again
It's just all about keeping that career going
And so that I can basically
I think I said somewhere in an interview
Not that I want this to happen any time soon
I'd be happy if I die on stage
And if that happens
That'd be a great way to go out
But make sure that I'm like
I can be 90-something
That would be even better
Look, that's how much I love playing
And it's something that I'll always do
And I always want to do
I feel very privileged that I can do it
Pete, we are so lucky to have you
To have you performing
To writing the most beautiful songs
That form such a big part
I think of our lives
And moments in our life
So thank you for doing that
You're a very special man
Well, it's been my pleasure all the way along
Yeah, nice to talk to you
Oh, so lovely to talk
Oh, you know what
I think there's something about guys
With the name Pete
Isn't he fantastic?
I really want to go along and see his concerts
I've been listening to his music on repeat
He has this amazing new album
Really crank it up in the car
That's what I'm doing is I'm doing my moobaring
Now, Pete is going to be hitting the road from July
On his greatest hits tour
Which will see him head back to Wollongong, Canberra and Darwin
As well as shows in Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide
And we'll have a link in our show notes
So you can grab your tickets
I'll be there in the mosh pit
I'm sure he has a mosh pit
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