My illness will suddenly out of the blue, almost like I feel a click in my brain and
I know that's it.
And there's nothing I can do to stop it.
It has to run its course.
So that's why it is so important for me to grasp the day that I've got and say everything's
fine today because I can't count on anything else, but I don't dread the future because
I cannot do anything about it.
I'm powerless over that.
So I try to do all the wonderful things that life has given me now at age 79 and just travel
What else can I say about it?
Hello my lovelies and welcome to a very special episode of the podcast.
With Mother's Day just around the corner, I thought what better way to celebrate than
by inviting my own wonderful mum, who I call Mummo, other people call Penelope, and she
is in here in the podcasting studio to join me for a chat.
So in part one of the chat, we're going to answer some of your beautiful questions.
Thank you so much for sending them in and getting in touch.
It means so much to me.
And the questions, they cover everything from family and parenting to the moments that have
And then in part two, we're going to be switching things up a bit and we're going to ask each
other the questions that we've always wanted to know about our lives, our relationship
and all the little things in between.
What do you think about that?
We are going to have a lot of fun.
We cannot wait to share this conversation with you.
So grab a cuppa, some choccy maybe or whatever it is that takes you fancy, get comfy and
let's get started.
So we ready to go, Mummo?
First up, we have a question from Alison.
And Alison has this for you.
How are you and I the same?
We're the same in we love laughing together.
We love very much supporting our family.
We love travelling together.
We love reading books together.
But we love, I think, relating on a sort of an emotional level.
Over the years, we've been through lots of ups and lots of downs.
And we've become more and more, I suppose, trusting of each other.
And that's been a wonderful thing to have a daughter, well, I've got three wonderful
daughters and I can say the same about all of them.
But with, I suppose, Jessica being my eldest, she's been around the longest.
And then there's lots of ways we differ, I'm pleased to say.
But she's so close to my heart.
And she's so kind and generous to me and puts up with my stupidity and I mean, I put up
What do you mean, my stupidity?
Well, you know, the laughing and snorting and all that sort of thing.
See, you just heard one then.
But that's that's how we're close in, in every way that I could wish from a daughter.
Oh, Mummo, and Mummo, this is a cracker of a question.
And Bianca sent it in and she asks, when Jess first brought Peter home, did you think,
oh, he's a keeper?
Or did you have some doubts?
There were others that I didn't think were keepers.
Yes, that's very true.
Some other frogs that I brought home.
And Jessica, of course, has a stubborn quality to her.
So there was never any point in me saying, Jessica, uh-uh, or don't like that one.
Or Jessica always plowed ahead with what she wanted to do.
And I learned when she was a young teenager not to get in her way because I wasn't going to be steamrollered.
I said, I'll always be here on the sidelines.
I don't want to be squashed.
I'll put out my hand if you fall down and I'll help you up and my arms will be open to love you.
But you're going to do it your way.
But when she bought Peter and he was just and still is the loveliest man and he's very different to Jessica,
I would say Peter is conservative and not as colourful as Jessica.
But they have made a wonderful pair together.
And he's so good to me and he's a wonderful father and a wonderful husband.
And no, I thought, I hope this Jessica's going to decide this is the man for her.
It was one of the best decisions I ever made saying yes to marrying Petey.
I think it might be quite fun for you to share with our wonderful listeners the story of when that morning when Petey was going to propose to me.
I rang Peter because I thought he's a big, strong man, which is a bit sexist of me.
But I had an old television upstairs in my house and I rang him and I said,
Peter, do you think you could come over this morning and bring my television downstairs because it's going to be taken away somewhere?
And he sounded a bit sort of grumpy about that.
And I thought that's.
Anyway, he said, all right.
And he turned up at the front door and he said, I've got something important to do this morning.
I thought, how rude.
Jessica's boyfriend has been very rude to me.
And he said, all right, I'll have to be quick.
And he ran upstairs and he bought the television down and he said, right, I've got to rush off now.
And I said, right.
And he said, well, I'll tell you why I have to rush off.
I'm rushing off because I've got to go over to Jessica's place because I want to ask her if she will marry me.
So I've forgiven him the television from now on.
And didn't you then basically say, well, off you go, hurry up?
I said, oh, my God, go, go, go, go.
I'm so sorry, Peter, go.
And we still laugh about that, I think.
And I can just see Petey being sort of all flustered and anxious.
And there's a question here from Lynn and her question is, what makes you proud of your mum?
Oh, mum, oh, there is so much that makes me proud of you.
Your bravery, your courage, the way that you have forged this amazing life for yourself and for my sisters
and I, I marvel at that.
And I just think you're the most inspiring person I know.
And you've taught me about how to keep going.
And you've taught me that sometimes life isn't fair, but we still have to keep going.
I remember you as a little girl, you sort of said to me, but because I would say it's not fair.
And you said, well, no one ever said it was meant to be fair.
And that's often that's a hard lesson.
But it made me sort of think, well, you're right, actually, this is up to me, up to me to carve my path.
So I'm just proud of the extraordinary woman that you are.
Oh, darling. Thank you, sir.
I mean, I get it back in spades from you.
Your children are not expected to give things back to you.
They didn't ask to be born.
But if you're a very fortunate person, a very fortunate parents, it does come back in spades.
And I'm one of those parents.
So I thank you for everything and for my other daughters.
Yeah. Love you so, so much.
All right. We have a caller on the line who has a question for you.
Oh, hi, Penelope. I was wondering whether you had a favorite daughter.
Oh, hello to you, too.
No, I haven't got a favorite daughter.
Look, that's often what parents asked.
But my daughters are so different in every way.
I mean, sometimes it's hard to believe they came out of the same pod, so to speak.
But you love them in different ways or for different qualities they've got, I think.
And with Jessica, it's the laughter and the sort of intimacy.
Another one might it might be the real common sense they've got.
And who would that be then? Harriet? The middle sister?
No, she always says she's the favorite.
I'm not mentioning names here.
Well, because the thing is, the person on the line might be called Harriet.
Harriet? Are you really?
No, you're definitely going to be punished this weekend.
I couldn't resist.
Well, you've got your answer there now.
I haven't got a favorite.
Very, very diplomatically said.
Oh, you are naughty.
Yes. Anybody listening?
You see, that's the sort of cheeky middle daughter that I've got.
She's always trying to catch me out.
And she did catch you out at the start, didn't she?
She's going to dine out on this one.
Thank you, Harriet, for calling.
My pleasure. I love you so much, Mum.
Mummo, this is a question from Kirsty.
And Kirsty, she read the book that we wrote together,
The Best of Times, The Worst of Times, which I can't believe we actually...
That came out 20 years ago.
And she was diagnosed with bipolar as well.
And she's saying that she was also diagnosed with ADHD recently.
And her question for you is, have you ever been diagnosed with ADHD?
And I've had very, very good doctors that have looked after me
for many, many years and therapists and so on.
And they've felt very confident of my single diagnosis
and looked after me and cared for me.
And as you would know now, this sort of illness, you can't predict it.
But it's a clinical thing and a chemical thing.
And you just do the best you can.
And as Jessica said, it's 20 years since we wrote that book.
And there's been ups and downs.
There's been serious hospitalisations, times of feeling real despair.
And people say, oh, but, you know, you come out of it in the end.
And at the time, that never feels that it's going to happen.
And those sort of words, as you probably know, don't help.
But in my long time since being a teenager,
you just learn to accept and live with it.
And absolutely grab the good times and make the most of them.
Because whether you've got illness or not,
you have no idea what tomorrow is going to bring.
So grab the good times and find the people that care for you
because you know that they will love you and be around with you
in the bad times.
So all the best to you, though.
Whenever I hear you talk that way, I always find it incredibly moving.
It's as if I've heard it, I suppose, for the first time, but it's not.
And I think it's such a powerful message that you share.
And I thank you for sharing that.
This is a question from Domine.
And it's sort of linked with what we've been discussing.
How have you maintained your relationship with each other over the years,
even with significant mental health experiences?
Perhaps I could go first with this.
So for me, how have we maintained our relationship
with love and conversation?
And I think what's always been central to our relationship,
and I think Mum would say as well with my sisters as well, is our openness.
Mum has always been incredibly open about her illness
or times when she hasn't been well,
but also it's love which is at the heart of it.
And hope, we always travel hopefully.
And there's so many good times as well.
And we make the most of those extraordinary times of joy.
But we're honest with each other.
So there's not a sense of having to hide.
There's not shame.
And I think shame can be quite damaging in relationships,
but we haven't had that.
As well, because of the closeness that we have,
I feel like I can pretty much come to you with anything.
So times of struggle in my own life,
when I experienced postnatal depression,
you were the first person I told, as you know,
and because I knew you wouldn't judge me.
And so I think it's a very broad answer
to how have we maintained our relationship,
but it's through conversation, connection, love,
and not having judgment,
but also having a whole lot of fun in the joy of life
and finding those wonderful moments to share together
and really making that matter.
And that's what you've taught me to,
to really make what is happening now in the moment count.
So that's my way of answering that question.
I don't know if you'd like to also answer
from your perspective.
Yes, what Jessica said, I think is absolutely right.
What I did find, and I still find,
if I'm having an episode of illness,
the hardest part for me often is,
look, it's the guilt I feel.
And I know that's ridiculous to feel guilt,
but I think that I'm spoiling everybody's life
and I'm causing concern to my family
and putting them out if they have to visit me in hospital
and when I can't really relate to them
and that sort of thing.
So I've always found that guilt feeling
when I'm sick very hard to deal with.
But when I'm well and when I'm rational,
there's no reason to feel guilty about it.
And I've been lucky enough never to have to feel
embarrassment or shame or try to hide my illness from people.
And of course, that's one of the reasons we wrote
The Best of Times, The Worst of Times
to try and sort of come out with this illness.
And that was, of course,
before Jessica had her postnatal depression,
but then she got a real feeling
about what depression can be.
So again, we've got a real connection there
and we can share that.
And my family are so understanding and loving.
And I'm the most fortunate of women.
Oh, Mum, we're fortunate too.
We're so fortunate.
There's another caller on the line.
How are you both?
Oh, just lovely to hear your voice.
Oh, it's nice to hear yours.
That's all right.
This is gonna make me sad.
Oh, don't be sad.
Tell us what you're going to say.
Yeah, Penelope, I read yours and Jess's book.
So I was in my own mental health crisis.
I'm not now, I'm well now.
But it took a lot of time to get back,
to sort of get life back again as what I knew was normal.
And I read the book and I remember reading the book
and you talked about seeing a psychiatrist.
And I'd had an admission, an involuntary admission
and I'd gone home after that involuntary admission
and I didn't know what had happened to me,
but it was postnatal psychosis,
but it was also the beginning of bipolar.
So I remember reading that you saw one and I thought,
well, that's okay.
I knew I had Jess up my sleeve talking about mental health.
And I think I even said it in the first admission
that Jessica Rowe was the only person I knew
that talked openly about ill mental health.
But I remember you talked about seeing a psychiatrist
and that normalised it for me.
And I did see a psychiatrist not long after reading the book.
Also in the book, I remember that Jess talked about being,
going to see you in hospital.
And in the bus, she went in the bus.
And that helped me because my children,
I had at the time and it's been a 10 year period
to sort of get well again and nine psychiatric admissions.
But my children had to coming to me in psychiatric care
and I would feel guilty that I was there
and that's where they were having to come and find me.
But again, I read that and I thought,
well, Jessica turned out good.
I remember when we wrote that book
and we wrote the chapter separately initially.
And when I read how she would come on the bus
and had to stand on her little school suitcase
to reach the bell pool and it just broke my heart.
But Jessica will say that in a funny way,
those three sisters bonded together over all that.
It made them stronger.
Jessica was a shy little girl
and it took away so much of her shyness.
And look, now they're all in their fifties
and life can be really tough.
But I try to concentrate on the good times
and I've only got today.
I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow
but it's just stressing for you.
And I really feel for you.
I'm okay now Penelope, I'm back at work.
I teach on medication and I'm sort of psychiatrist
that I'm happy to go to.
Yes, that's important.
And a psychologist, but you and Jess helped me
by talking openly about it, by writing about it,
for talking about what your children had to endure as well.
It was really helpful to know that someone else
walked that path and got out of it
and got to the other end and was successful in life.
It makes my heart swell to hear your words
because sometimes we don't know
what sort of effect we're having on people.
And then to hear someone like you, it's just wonderful.
So thank you for bothering to get in touch with us.
And I value that book.
So it was Spence Love.
I've actually always wanted to talk to you.
Well, here we are.
Oh, well, Mandy, I'm giving you the biggest hug.
Mummo and I are giving you a big, big group hug.
Oh, I love those.
So much love to you and thank you for sharing your story
as well with us and your family story
because when Mum and I set out to do the book
all those years ago, we felt so strongly
about the need to share our story
because it wasn't just our story.
And at the time we were concerned about,
oh, we're opening ourselves up.
What will that mean?
But as Mummo's saying to you, Mandy,
hearing the difference that it made for you,
it makes it all worthwhile, doesn't it, Mummo?
I had no one else to stand with me
and I knew no one else that openly spoke about it.
I mean, there was obviously people around me,
but no one does or did or...
So for someone to openly talk about it
and someone that I respected so much
filled me with confidence, actually.
I thought, okay, if these people have gone through it,
you know, and they're good people that do good stuff,
then I'm okay to be aligned with them.
But it's also as well, I think,
the point that Mum made with you too, Mandy,
with, you know, you were talking about your kids
and, you know, my sisters and I visiting Mum in hospital.
Yes, it was hard at the time,
but of course we wanted to see Mum.
And it was difficult seeing her so unwell,
but we knew that was the best place for her.
And also, I think, what's important, Mandy, as well,
is, and this is what Mum and I both believe so strongly in,
that there is a way through
and it doesn't have to define all of your life.
And there's a way through,
and it's about the hope in that process
and what you learn about yourself.
And it taught me so much about resilience,
about love, about our vulnerabilities and flaws.
And also too, I think, as well,
it taught me that everyone has something.
Everyone has something that they're dealing with.
And life is hard.
It's hard for all of us.
How do we get through it?
We get through it by support, by love, and by connection.
And Mandy, by you connecting with us today
and sharing your story, that helps us.
And so I thank you for that.
And Mum is smiling at me here, yeah.
I think the saddest part,
and that stuck with me in the book,
is when I look back and I think that my children
had to have me not there a lot of the time
and had to go and visit me in a hospital.
And it was, so I used to try and make both hospitals
that I've stayed at a happy place.
Like I remember getting the toys out
and trying to make it a bit nicer when they got there.
But that's the hardest part,
when I think back that I wasn't the mum that I wanted to be
because I spent a lot of time away.
But thank you for being there for me
because I felt like a sense of that you guys were there for me.
And I'm so grateful for that.
Oh, Mandy, thank you so much.
Makes me teary listening to Mandy, mum-o.
Oh, what a beautiful woman
and sharing her story in that way.
It means so much.
Something that sort of resonated with me
was when she was talking about how she felt about her children.
And I know that you've sort of said to me things about the guilt
that you felt around that, but how...
And I think if you articulate it in a wonderful way
about how you were sorry,
but really it was not of your making.
Look, it was very hard because I was so sick.
I couldn't sort of feel anything.
Mandy talks about getting out the toys and things.
I sort of felt I couldn't relate to you in any way,
and that made me so, again, guilty and sad.
And I remember that awful time, which I was reminded of later,
I think, by one of my daughters,
about how I said to one of them,
which one are you?
About one of my own daughters.
And that breaks my heart to think that,
but that is how completely lost I was
and just not relating to the world.
That, to me, was the depths of depression.
And some hospitals were better than others.
Some were gloomy for you as little ones to enter.
You know, just the three of you sort of coming in,
one of them, you had to walk past the forensic psychiatry ward.
The locked forensic ward.
And I found out that you were absolutely terrified,
and I'm not surprised that you were.
That's where the guilt came from,
but I've been able, as I say, to say that wasn't my fault.
I couldn't do anything about that.
But naturally, I wish it hadn't had to happen,
but it's made us all what we are, and that's what life is.
Indeed, and it has made us resilient, strong,
and far more compassionate people, all of us.
I think for listeners, too, a lot of people think,
well, how are you now?
And how is it that you stay well now?
Look, I can't ever know that I'm not going to get sick again.
I think my last illness was during the COVID in 2020,
and I was in hospital for over three months,
and that was pretty grim in a way
because you couldn't have visitors, obviously,
and the hospital was in lockdown.
And I've been well since then,
but my illness will suddenly, out of the blue,
almost like I feel a click in my brain,
and I know that's it.
And there's nothing I can do to stop it,
neither therapy, medication, shock therapy, you name it.
It has to run its course.
So that's why it is so important for me
to grasp the day that I've got and say,
everything's fine today because I can't count on anything else,
but I don't dread the future
because I cannot do anything about it.
I'm powerless over that.
So I try to be healthy to myself,
to have fresh air, exercise, friendships, reading films,
do all the wonderful things
that life has given me now at age 79.
And just as Jessica said, travel, hopefully.
What else can I say about it? Yeah.
I've got a question from Cathy, and this is for both of us.
So I'll ask you... Oh, no, Mum's now pointing at me.
Do you think you've been talking too much, Mum?
I love your wise words, though. You're so wise.
All right, I'll answer this question first,
what do you miss most about being young?
And then the second part of her question is,
what do you love most about being older?
What do I miss most about being young?
I don't miss being young.
I really love where I'm at right now.
When I look back, being a young woman,
I was a lot more insecure, unsure of myself.
Yeah, so I don't think I could say there's something
that I miss about being young.
Perhaps maybe not having to rub my menopause gel on my arms
might be one of the things.
But what do I love about being older?
I love being more comfortable in my skin.
There's a freedom in just being...
I care less about what people think.
So for me, that's what I love about being older.
I can just be more myself, and I don't care what people think.
What about you, Mummo?
What do you miss most about being young?
Look, I wouldn't want to be in my early years.
I'm 79, but the feeling inside my head is I'm in my 40s,
which were wonderful years for me, my 40s.
But I'm not in my 40s.
And so what I don't like about that is,
whether I like it or not, my body is not what it was.
I don't mean droopy boobs and all that sort of stuff.
I just mean the aches and pains of getting older.
And I rail against getting those aches and pains
So I've actually had most of my life.
I don't like that thought at all.
But mentally, thank goodness, I'm still on top of it.
I can still do all the things I love.
And I've got friends that I've had.
My oldest friend, I met in kindergarten
when we were four and a half.
And she turned 79 yesterday.
And we still see each other about every fortnight.
Friends, I met at university when we were 17
that I see every week or fortnight.
These are the joys of having lived a long life
and tried to make it worthwhile.
And like Jessica said, I think I've,
hope I've acquired some wisdom.
And having grandchildren is just such a joy.
And seeing them grow up,
and my eldest granddaughter said to me,
you're a mixture of an old lady and a little girl.
And I thought that was absolutely wonderful.
That's how I feel inside myself a lot of the time.
And I'm very happy with that description.
I think it fits me.
There we are, thanks Jessica.
It fits you to a T, isn't it?
Cause it's that sense of joy and still reaching for things
as you do as a sort of a younger person.
But as you say, with the elbows and your arthritis,
that's sort of the older lady part of it.
Okay, now we have, there's another caller on the line.
What is your question?
Hello, Strebe, how come my family keep ringing in?
See, I guessed you.
So that's the nickname.
So this is Claudia, isn't it?
This is Claudia, my youngest daughter.
We send each other silly text messages with silly names.
And that was from, was it Monty Python, Strebe Griebling?
I think Peter Sellers.
Peter Sellers, that's right, Strebe Griebling.
Good afternoon, my friend and youngest daughter.
What's your question?
My question's a little bit serious, but not too serious.
I was thinking about when we were in Cornwall
about 25 years ago, and we were sitting in a pub
having lunch, and Bob Dylan,
The Times They Are Are Changing came on.
And you got this very sort of sad look on your face.
And you said, I remember listening to this in university
and thought we could change the world.
And you seemed so sad at the time,
but now another, like, you know, just 25 years on,
you are still working on changing the world.
Like, you still do it, you still have hope,
you still have silliness, you still have fun.
What keeps the hope and the silliness and the belief
that we will keep changing things, making them better?
You know, I've lost, I think I've lost a lot of hope
that the world will change.
I think Bob Dylan thought we might have a major change,
But when I went up to the American Consulate
a few weeks ago with my one little,
I made a little thing, support Ukraine,
and stood outside the consulate.
And I thought, I'm dropping a little pebble into a pond,
but ripples, no matter how small a pebble,
ripples do go out.
And so I think in this crazy world,
if we can just each drop our little pebble,
ripples will think.
And so that's what, at my time of life, I suppose,
I try to drop little pebbles and just hope
that somebody else will drop their pebble as well.
But I want to, in my personal little way,
in my little circle, try and make the world a better place
Well, that's what you've taught me as well, so.
Really, I see that with you,
in your generosity towards people,
your compassion towards people.
And if I had a hand in teaching you that well, that's great.
But you had to grab the reins and take it on board.
And you absolutely have, darling.
And you're so precious to me.
You really are so precious.
And it's just lovely, lovely to talk to you.
And I'll see you for your 50th birthday,
next week or something.
Yes, I will, I love you.
I love you, darling.
That's so lovely, Mum-o.
Now, I have a question from Sally,
and this is for both of us.
What do you want your daughters to remember about you?
I want my daughters to remember that I'm silly,
that I love a laugh, that I'm brave,
that I speak out against awful people,
and that I had a really good go at things.
But also, too, that I suppose that I was colourful
and flamboyant and loved them like mad and was joyful.
It's a bizarre question thinking,
what do I want them to remember about me?
Because it's that idea of, I'm not going to be around.
Well, I mean, but that's a fact.
Ha ha ha, but I don't want to think about that.
But look, I think what I want,
I was thinking about this, actually, the other day.
There was a paediatrician and a psychoanalyst in Britain.
His name was called Donald Winnicott.
And he became known for his words, the good enough mother.
And I would like to be remembered as a good enough mother
because he was trying to stop this guilt feeling
among parents that they weren't perfect
and that their children, therefore, were not perfect.
And so there would be pressure between the mother
and the child to try and create perfection.
And he was very much to try and soothe this guilt.
And I would like, because I didn't get everything right,
there was no way I was a perfect mother,
but I would like to be remembered as a good enough one
that then handed on some truths, some strengths,
some, again, like Jessica said,
a sense of zaniness,
a sense of the importance of thinking things through,
of pausing when agitated,
which I did not learn to do for a long time.
I'm not very good at that.
No, but it's a very good one.
So that to me is, I would like to be remembered as that,
as a good enough mother.
Well, you are more than good enough.
Mummo, you're a beautiful mum.
You're spot on though.
And I think for all of us,
it is about realising you are good enough.
You are enough the way you are.
We can't be perfect.
No one's perfect.
This is not so much a question,
but it's a lovely reminiscence, I think, for you, Mummo.
And it comes from Charles.
And he said, I don't have a question,
but I'd like to say how much I admire you, Jess,
I'm an old student from Our Lady
of the Sacred Heart College, Kensington.
And Mrs. Rowe was our English teacher.
When Mrs. Rowe was leaving our school
as she was pregnant with Jess,
myself and another student collected some money
from the students.
We caught a bus into the city
and bought a little baby outfit.
A very fond memory.
Thank you so much.
I don't know, Charles, that I was a very good teacher,
but I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed meeting all of you and looking back.
I'm sure Jessica looked lovely in the little baby outfit.
That is such a lovely memory.
So thank you for thinking.
And for sending in that memory.
It's just divine that he remembers it
from all those years ago.
That is 55 years ago, Charles.
Thank you so much for all of those amazing questions
that you've sent in and also for your calls.
It means the world to Mummo and I.
And what a wonderful podcast family that we have.
And so thank you.
It really means so much.
Mummo, I've got to thank you as well.
You are such a wise woman, aren't you?
Oh, I'm starting to look like an owl over here.
A very wise and beautiful owl.
And thank you because I always learn something new
from you each time and you make me laugh.
And this chat, it's been such a joy.
And I hope that you have all loved listening to it
as much as we have loved recording it.
And of course, you know, Mother's Day,
it can be a beautiful day,
but it's also a bittersweet time, isn't it, for so many?
You might be celebrating with your mum.
You might be missing your mum.
You might be cherishing another mother figure in your life
or simply taking a moment to honour yourself.
So whatever is right for you on this Mother's Day,
I'm sending you all of my love
and I know Mummo is sending her love too.
Now, this isn't just the end of Mum and I.
I mean, we've been joking, saying we wanna kind of
take our show on the road,
but we're not gonna be doing that.
What we're going to do?
Oh, okay, there we go.
We might be, but we have a part two of this conversation.
We're flipping the script a little bit
and we're going to ask each other questions.
Some are silly, some are serious,
things that we've always wanted to know about our lives,
our relationships and all of the things in between.
Here's a sneak peek.
What's something you did in your youth
that you'd never want me to know about?
Oh, I'm going to speak to the producer.
So please mark this in your calendar
and join Mummo and I on Sunday
for this very special bonus episode.
The Jess Rowe Big Talk Show is hosted by me, Jess Rowe.
Executive producer, Nick McClure.
She's a wonderful leopard lady.
Audio imager, Nat Marshall.
Supervising producer, Sam Kavanagh.
Until next time, remember to live big.
Life is just too crazy and glorious
to waste time on the stuff that doesn't matter.