I never thought I would get to the position in my life where I see my children
succeeding. I never thought that I would get to that point in my life where
I just was in awe, you know, of them. Hi, I'm Jess Rowe and this is the Jess Rowe
Big Talk Show, a podcast that skips the small talk and goes big and deep. From love to loss
and everything in between, I want to show you a different side of people who seem to have it
all together in these raw and honest conversations about the things that matter.
Jay LaGaia is an actor, singer, TV presenter and musical theatre star. His latest role in
Grease is entertaining audiences across the country. Jay has the biggest heart. Over the
years, I've been lucky enough to experience this first hand, his generosity of spirit.
And I wanted to tell Jay what his kindness has meant to me. Have a listen as we laugh, cry
and catch up. Jay LaGaia. Yes, ma'am. Can I just say it is so wonderful to see you. You are such
a wonderful man and you are so dear in my heart. First of all, Grease. Yes. What's it like to be
performing the musical and those fabulous songs? First and foremost, I mean, it is a joy to be
working with Patti Newton and Marsha Hines because we are their OGs. When collectively, our ages
are basically 220. And Patti's a bit cheeky because you've alluded to on stage that doesn't
she each performance try and do something a little bit different? Keep you on your toes?
Whether or not it's intentional or otherwise, she's more cheekier than anybody. And it's the
original high school musical. It's the original Mean Girls or Heathers. You know, everything came
from that, which for me is just such a joy. You are such a joy though. And what I want to
share with our listeners is your enormous heart. And there've been a number of times in my life
where you have been so good to me. One of them was when I was going through a very difficult time
with The Today Show and I was on maternity leave and there was all of this awful stuff that kept
being written about me. And I'll never forget opening up the newspaper. This was in the days
when people still had newspapers and there you were quoted, there was an article about you
coming to my defence. And that meant the world to me, Jay.
I look, I saw what you brought to the table as a father of 60,000 million kids.
Eight kids, he's a dad of eight listeners.
You know, I just made a statement purely because I thought it was unfair. I thought you weren't
being supported. It wasn't that I knew all the players and years afterwards having people like
Kerry Anne try to mend bridges. For me, it wasn't so much that. For me, it was just simply that
leave you alone. You know, I knew that Pete couldn't speak up because purely of where he sat.
You know, but it's that thing of going, sometimes you just got to say enough is enough.
Sometimes you got to say, you guys can't be the arbitrators of who's a victim here.
At the end of the day, you got to do what's right. And if you don't support people and then you
wonder why things fall down. And I suppose for me, you make statements like that purely
because things are not right. It's not because you're trying to cause issues or you're trying
to blow your own trumpet. And for me, when I saw that happening to you, I thought here's a genuine
person who is just trying to get through the day, who has fought her way to where she's meant to be.
And you guys are just white anting her from beneath. And, you know, I just said, look,
enough is enough. I didn't think that I was going to be printed or anything.
But when it was, you sort of sit there and go, yeah, I said that. Bring it.
Well, I thank you so much for that because that meant the world to me. And I will never,
ever forget it because for you to be so public in that way, it helped me so much because I thought,
you know what? Yes, there are people who believe in me and have my back. So thank you.
And also one other thing that I have to share with our listeners too, where you were so good
to me, me the frustrated performer, I was desperate to be on play school. I can't sing.
And I rang you and you're like, come round to my place. We'll have a sing. We'll tell some stories.
And then I remember you were playing your piano and then I started to sing and you went,
we need to find you a singing teacher. It wasn't so much that, but even a cab
charge couldn't get you closer to that note. I think the phrase was with all that enthusiasm,
if you had talent, you'd be lethal. That is so true because I remember
leaving the audition. There was like dead silence. And I remember them saying, you're a very
enthusiastic storyteller. And I still can't hit the notes. But again, here is an example, Jay,
of your generous heart that you actually, you helped me. You gave me confidence to give
something different a crack. And you are someone, you do that not just for me, but you've done that
throughout your career. Where does that come from? That sense of speaking up?
Oh, look, I think at the end of the day, you can't count your worth in monetary or financial gain.
It has to be an action. And I always believe that there is an astral purse up there. And because I
have such a large family, you've got to give of yourself in order to have the ethos come back
and go, I'm going to grant your child an opportunity to do this or your other child. I'm going to keep
them safe on this night. And I always think that there's a cosmic purse out there. It's purely
selfish. All of your actions have to be rectified in that purse, whether it's a payment or a
deduction. And I suppose, when it comes down to it, I live simply by the rule that, you know,
it doesn't take much to be nice to people. And when you came, I knew that at the end of the day,
your enthusiasm for doing an audition will rub off on your children. Because it's not that I
don't know how to do this, but I'm going to give it a red heart go. That's the Australian way. You
know, that's the ock away. And I think from my point of view, it may not rub off on you,
but it will rub off on your children in that, well, if mum can do it, I'm going to have a go.
And then rub off on those associates that are around you going, well, look, we all know,
you know, where she comes from, she's not going to get an album out. But you know what,
she's given a red heart go and it's out of love. It's out of enthusiasm. And a lot of the times
we say no purely because it's easier to do things. Sometimes it's a lot harder just to go,
all right, what time do you need to be here? So you have to be generous of spirit. And
I'm in an industry where it's all about service. And if you don't want to be here, then find
something else. But this is my forever job. So it has to reflect not only on me, but those
surrounding me. So when people see my children perform and they come up to me and go, you know,
your child is such an amazing singer. I go, well, that's on them. But if you say that they've got
great manners, then my wife and I will just, we'll take that on board. And somebody said to
me once, why don't you, because obviously you're a performer and they perform as well. I said, look,
if my child was a drug addict, I'm not taking responsibility for that either. You know,
it's what they chose to do. All I do is create a smorgasbord of opportunities. If you take one,
that's great. If you take all of them, that's even better, because then you'll know exactly
what you want and what you don't want. And you know, and all I can do is support,
whether I like it or not. And at the end of the day, as a parent, I have to make sure that I
can't say, I told you so, if they don't succeed as much as I want to. I know we've got to bite our
tongue sometimes. But you though, you are the ultimate cheerleader and you mention your kids.
And I was so touched when I read about you going to see your son perform in Hamilton and how
emotional that made you actually seeing him up there on stage. They don't tell you in a parenting
manual that there is a time when you realise, I can push this boat out to sea now. You know,
when you can go, you are okay to survive without me now. And when I saw him perform on stage,
I just went, I would never make those decisions as an actor. So therefore, as an actor,
I took my hat to you. But then what I realised was you're ready to go. I can now focus on these
idiots at home. But you, as well as my other two, have found your niche, you've found your
canoe, you've found where you need to be, your people. And I can now happily have a chat to you
as an adult and not so much as my son. And yeah, for me, it was emotional because I was
leading up to that, it was all about me. You know, people always ask, why don't you turn up to your
kids recitals and that? I go, it's because then people just make it about me. You know, I'll
watch my daughter play netball from afar purely because then cameras turn around and look at you
or people start talking. No, I'm just here as a parent, you know. And I think the thing is,
is that when you start to see them succeed, I don't remember my parents ever saying this is
the time when you can, you start going, the house is now slowly emptying out because those guys are
going and these guys are staying. So you have to concentrate on them. So I think for me, it was a,
the crying was not only the fact that it was beautiful and he made beautiful decisions,
but also the fact that I've now lost the son and I've gained another adult in the house.
Oh, that's so beautiful. And I think as a parent, you can't actually ask for more to think, yes,
my job is done, so to speak. Cause for me, when I think about being a mum, being a parent,
it's a series of letting goes. And I didn't appreciate that until all these different stages
that we go through with our kids, that you do have to let them go, let them go, let them go.
Especially our daughters. And I think that's the biggest thing is going, I don't think twice
about my sons, but I think five times about my daughters. I mean, I'm old school. So,
you know, if you don't want to do stuff, you know, my, we had an issue with one of my sons
about his mental health when he was younger and I was very much, he's just lazy. He needs to get up.
Whereas my wife, he was just amazing navigator said, no, it's a mental illness. No, it's not
a mental illness. For goodness sake, if it was a mental illness when I was growing up,
we didn't have it. I said, yeah, but they didn't name it then, you know, and we had sort of that
argument. But in the end, it was very much, we coined a phrase measuring your successes in inches
in that, you know, when people ask me, what does that mean? I went, well, with my son,
I'd listen at the door and I could hear him breathing. Success. He would get up in the morning.
Success. He would say hello to us. Success. He would have a shower, you know, and they go,
those, those are, and I said, yeah, but those are the inches that we were looking for. Cause we could
have just been at his grave site. And then from that, it is very much that thing of you start
measuring out a little bit further. He had a conversation or played with his brothers and
sisters. Then that success gets a little bigger until finally, you know, they turned the corner
and all of that, you know, you have to, you have to thank the ethos. You've got to thank those
people around. I worship my wife, who was the navigator, who negotiated between the two alpha
males who were banging heads. But in the end, it was very much that thing of, of as a father going,
I have to be present, but I have to hold my tongue because I am my father's son,
you know, and you're very quick to anger. But with your wife then by your side,
you then realised that there was something far more serious going on in terms of your son's
mental health. It wasn't about me. You know, the first thing that goes, what are people going to
think? And then you realise, well, what are people going to think if something really bad happens to
him? And in discussion with my wife and in a lot of soul searching, you realise, I just have to be
present. If I don't have anything to say, I just need to be a body there because at the end of the
day, if I don't understand it, I can't remove myself from the situation because in his darkest
days, he will look and see a body there. And at least he'll know that I was in the room,
you know, and I think the thing is, is that going through that, you realise really quickly that
I'm not here to be famous. I'm not here. My legacy is to leave good humans. My legacy is to be able
to affect change or to help people because I always find that people are really confused when
you go out of your way to help them without any monetary gain or without, you know, can you come
and do this? Sure. Oh, you're going to come to the house. Yeah, well, that's where it's at, isn't it?
Because I think for me, if I help you, somebody's going to help my kids. If I, you know, go out of
my way to do this, it's not because, you know, I think that, you know, I'm going to get anything
from you. It's simply that that cosmic purse is getting emptied by my children every single day,
you know. But it's that beautiful, big, generous heart of yours. And did you learn that from your
parents or was it something that was just innate to you? I think as a Polynesian and, you know,
you realise that it does take a village to raise a child, but it also, what you realise is sometimes
people want to hear things, but they're just too embarrassed to ask. Sometimes you have to ask a
question in order for three people to get the answer, you know. And sometimes you have to lead
by example, even if it's really difficult, and even if you have to stand up on your own for a
little bit. A lot of the times people go, well, you know, as far as diversity on television is
concerned, do you think it's changed over the years? I know that, you know, you've been banging on
and banging on about it. And I just said, I just want to be able to feed my children. And in order
to do that, this is the job I've chosen. This is my forever job. So I would just like to be
represented. That's all. You know, it's not that anything more. And when people go, well,
has it changed much? And I went, well, you have to look at our televisions, look at our radio. Can
you see us in there? You know, and they go, well, how can we change that? I go, you need brave
writers. Because the problem we have at the moment is that they'll write a show with an
Indian doctor. Why can't you write a show with a doctor who happens to be Indian?
You know, because then all of a sudden you don't have to fill his house with Indian memorabilia
or family. He's a doctor who happens to be Indian. Or the fact that, you know, a lot of us are second
generation, third generation Australians, you know, and we can live our lives like that. But for me,
I think, choose your job you truly enjoy. You'll never work a day in your life. Working on
shows like Grease enables me to work with new, young, vibrant performers. And you look at them
and you just smile because you go, that's what 19 looks like. But also, but you're inspiring them.
But getting back to what you're talking about diversity, I mean, you've been sort of blazing
that trail for such a long time. When you began on Water Rats, you were the first Polynesian to be
in a mainstream Australian drama. Now fast forward all these years later,
is there still a part of you that thinks, oh, I'm tired of this?
Look, I think if you're tired of this, then get out. This is my forever job. So it means that
when I close my eyes and I shuffle this mortal coil, this is the job that I was doing. I never
thought I would get to the position in my life where I see my children succeeding.
I never thought that I would get to that point in my life where I just was in awe of them
as a viewer, as a fan. And a lot of it, when people go, when you see your child,
the good things that you see in your child, that's from you. The bad things you see in your child,
that's from your wife, you know, which I thoroughly, I thoroughly agree.
You've got tears in my eyes, first of all from emotion, and now you go.
But I mean, I think that at the end of the day, that you have to be generous of spirit,
because there are a lot of lost souls out there who just need a push in the right direction.
They don't need you to find them work. They don't need you to tell them how good they are. They
just need you to go try that door. And a lot of times I keep saying to people,
make a decision, whether it's right or wrong, you will have people around you that go,
oh no, no, that's great, but they'll yes and you and go, try it this way. And I think that
a lot of times we're so scared to make a decision that we end up just stagnating in one place.
And then you end up with the old, coulda, shoulda, woulda.
With your career, you've gone for all different sorts of opportunities.
Has that always been easy or has that still been difficult to do?
Look, firstly, I just want to thank you for making it seem like that I had a choice in that.
Because it was just very much that thing, I go, well, this has come up, this has come up,
and you go, okay, I've never written a book before, but I'm going to try it. I've never,
I've got four ARIA nominated albums, never written songs before, but I'm going to try it.
And a lot of that has to do with, well, how am I going to pay the rent? It's January and you know
February is when they all go back to school and there's no money because all of the fees come in.
So a lot of parents understand that. So for me, you become a jack of all trades, but in doing so,
I always believe that if you become that person that when other people talk badly about you,
people don't believe them, I think that you have to live by example. I heard a great saying,
if you have a problem with me, text me. But if you don't have my phone number,
you don't know me well enough to have a problem with me.
I love that. That is so good.
That is such a good way for deflecting also criticism and having people take
any of your good energy. Well, I think that it is for me,
that thing of being able to leave a room knowing full well that they're energised or you've left
them a token of a smile so that in their days of struggle, you have to say to them, look,
you've got to embrace failure because failure is part and parcel of success.
If you don't embrace failure, if somebody says, oh no, we never argue in our relationships,
then you've never had a relationship. I never make mistakes. Well, then you can never replicate.
It's like baking a cake. Something goes wrong and you sit there and go, what happened? You
go back and oh, didn't put in a baking powder. Not only will you go back and make a cake,
but every single time you go and do that recipe again, you just get better and better and better.
I think that's what life is. I can only lead by example. In doing so, people then can say,
well, Jay's doing it right now, but why is Jay doing it? It's great because you can either justify
that. I always look to fail. In doing so, going, okay, what happened? Then turn that around because
I know I've got young eyes on me. I know that I've got my children looking at me going, well,
how are you going to stand up? A couple of years ago, I got really sick. It was one of those things
where the reality of, well, you either make it public or you just go quietly into the darkness.
I go, well, let's see what happens. In doing so, I was still working on a show and everybody around
me just rallied. I asked them, why are they doing that? It's just because you would do it for us.
You realise, all right, well, those are those coins being well and truly paid for.
Oh, you're just such a good man. That's just listening to you. I wish that you could just
be there on my shoulder all the time with these wonderful wisdoms and this big, beautiful heart
of yours. Though you talk about failure, what do you think in terms of when you felt like,
oh my God, I'm a failure, what does that look like for you? I think that you have to recognise
how you receive that message yourself. If it hits me hard, it's because I think it's about me. It's
all an ego thing and you realise really quickly that this failure is being sent to teach you
something. But if you don't take the emotion out of it, you can never dissect it for what it really
is. And we stay in failure. We stay in mourning longer purely because it serves us emotionally,
but it doesn't serve us going forward as a life lesson. And so when I've failed and fallen badly,
you realise really quickly that it was you. You realise really quickly the decisions you made
and what it took to bring you here. And you also realise, I thought about that before I did this.
And now I'm wondering, and you know, it's like asking if you had advice for your 11 year old
Jessie, what would you ask her? What would you say to her? And it's the same thing for me. You go,
well, three weeks ago, when you sat there when this could go pear shaped, or I don't care,
I can wear it on my shoulders. Then you realise this is the ramifications of that action,
not only on you, but the ripple effect of everybody else. Can you live with that? And you'll
find really quickly that the emotion goes out and it's replaced by guilt, then it's replaced by,
how am I going to get that ground back? And I suppose for me, I recognise it coming up.
I recognise when I'm in it. I also recognise that if I don't take the emotion out of it
and dissect it for what it is, I'll drag myself down. I will lose three or four days of communicating
with the family or whoever I know this interaction is with. And I've got to be the bigger person in
the end. I don't want to be, as my wife said, you're the adult in this.
I say that to my husband sometimes. I'm like, Petey, you're the grown up. You can't carry on
like this. My wife gave me some great advice. She said, when you're disciplining your children or
you're trying to tell them something, you look at them and you go, the age of the child is how
many seconds you have. So if you're trying to tell your seven year old something, you go,
I'm very disappointed. I told you not to touch that. Now go to your room. 15 is the same,
because I just go, yes, and everything. Yes. And the last time, so my wife's just going,
you look at them. He's 22 years old. You got 22 seconds. Because after that, they shut off.
Because your wife, she's a teacher, isn't she? She's a vice principal at Balmain High.
Wow. So what a formidable pair the two of you are.
Yes, dear. I learned a long time ago that when you come back from tour, you fit into the rhythm
of the house. It's not the other way around. And I just got back from tour and a lot of them went,
aren't you going to take a couple of days to just chill and then go back? And I went,
oh no, I got to get back home. Why? Because mom's there. Because we add to the driving pool.
But yeah, you forget really quickly on the Monday when she left the school and she came back and
go, did you not do the washing? And I go, oh, that's right, my telepathy. I've got to kick that
back in again and find out what the ethos needs me to do as far as vacuuming. You've got to slip
back into that role. Yes, dear. No, dear. Thank you, dear. What would you say your favourite
role is in the sense of where you are happiest? Where do you feel most like yourself?
Look, I feel happiest when I'm in the house full of my kids. At the moment, all of my boys are back.
My son, Seth is just back from Abu Dhabi. He's getting ready to go to Singapore with Hamilton.
My other son, Tana, is back from rent. They've got a little hiatus before they go to Perth.
My daughter, Georgia, is at NIDA and for a long period of time, I just thought she's never going
to find her people and she's found her people. She just loves it. I've got two girls that are at
Newtown Performing Arts and so they're loving their life there. And my other children around,
my son who runs this cafe in Camberdown, they're all such a joy. So being where I am, I'm a home
body. So I love being home with the dog, doing chores and stuff because you know that when
you're ready to go somewhere, the hardest thing is being at an airport because you're not at your
destination. Well, it's lonely too, isn't it? It's that funny in-between time.
Yeah, and with this tour here, the cast are always amazed because I'd be baking a lot. So I'd be
baking muffins and pies and stuff and they go, oh, you bake all the time. And I went, yeah,
because I normally will do that at home and I miss my kids. So you guys have become my kids,
so we're having a little chat about your etiquette. But that's how you show your love to people,
isn't it? Through baked goods. Yeah, I think it's an ethnic tradition where we share,
you know, nine times out of ten, a lot of the information that's given, a lot of the vital,
important information is over the dinner table. And we've lost a lot of that in society because
people have Uber Eats and they sit in front of television. We've lost the identity of being able
to look at each other over a table purely because it's time to get rid of dinner tables because
we'll sit and eat and watch television or on my phone. And so, you know, my wife said once,
oh, we should just get rid of this big table. And I went, no, no, because that's our mouthpiece.
You know, we'll do projects on the table. We'll play games on the table. They'll do homework on
the table. We'll eat on the table. You know, this is sort of the lifeblood of the house and
we can't lose that. And in every ethnic house, you'll find that we all live in the kitchen.
Over food, you're able to express your problems, your trials and tribulations,
and your friends too. You know, I'm so used to having strangers in heads in my fridge going,
and you are, oh, I'm Jessie's friend. Okay. Can you leave the lamb alone? Thanks.
Well, at least leave the bone. That's mine. You can have the rest of it.
Again, that open table of yours is very much part of your big, generous, open heart.
Well, I think the generosity of spirit comes from my Polynesian background. It comes from the fact
that in Polynesia, we don't have doors purely to let the breeze through and hurricanes through.
But I think I love that idea of strangers or friends always being welcomed here because
there are lots of kids who don't have both parents at home or who have parents, you know,
working as such. What I do want to touch on just before we finish is with PlaySchool,
you were so big hearted to me helping me to try and get a gig on it, which I didn't. But you were
on PlaySchool for a long time and you were a big part of many people's childhood and their families.
But I was sort of saddened to read and hear a quote of yours where you said you felt like you
were discarded, like the toys in the toy box of PlaySchool. When the phone stopped ringing
for PlaySchool. Look, I think a lot of people don't understand the process of presenters and
not only me, you know, David James, a whole bunch of great performers, they just don't ring anymore.
I was on PlaySchool for 16 years. And that's not to talk badly about the show because I think it's
a great institution. I think that if you want to know the power of a show, don't mention it in your
next lineup for the next year and see how quickly the public comes up and go, what are you doing with
PlaySchool? And the ABC have learned that they don't own PlaySchool, the people own PlaySchool.
And for me, it was such a joy because when I first joined the cast in the late 90s, early 2000s,
I realized that it taught me how to play. It taught me how to communicate through a camera lens
because we don't have a live audience. And not only that, but the people around that make the show,
they are amazing creators because if you looked at it from the outside, you look like an idiot
dancing around like a chicken, but in the room, they keep you safe. The cameramen, the lighting,
the directors, they keep you safe as you create this world for our children. And it's proof in
the pudding when you have a look and see its longevity. And for me, I felt sad because
not only did they not call, but it was, you were never mentioned again. It was that they had their
celebrations as such. And as probably the only Polynesian that's ever worked on the show itself,
you felt like, well, what did I do wrong in order not to get called up? And even though people come
to you and say, you know, we loved you in PlaySchool and loved you in this, you always have to
acknowledge that because it's not the show. It's always about the politics behind that. Not that
I'm privy to that. So I went away and did my own show with Channel 7, Jay's Jungle, which
I thoroughly enjoyed. And I think the thing about it is that you express your disappointment because
there are a lot of us who invested so much time and to have, you know, to work on a show for a
long period of time and then just to not have the phone ring anymore. And people go, oh, I thought
you were right. And you go, I haven't changed. But obviously if they said, oh, we're going a
different direction, you go, well, you'll need to talk to the public about that because I'm
constantly being asked about that. And then you go, okay, what is my next challenge? And you go on
from that and you realise really quickly that it was part and parcel of a building block of a
narrative that you place in your own personal libraries. And you go, what other books do I need
to put in here to make me a whole person? So that is then how you deal with that disappointment and
that downtime and that rejection in a way. Yeah. Well, I think for me, you're human. You have to
be disappointed that I can't go and play and make things and use the useful box and say goodbye to
the toys and say goodbye to the presenters too, who are just absolutely amazing, you know. But
there's no malice towards that because they don't make those decisions. It's decisions that are made
by people who don't see the show, you know. And so for me, it's that thing of going, okay, so
what is my next yes end? Where do I go from here? And you pick up and go. Why? Because I've got lots
of eyes on me going, right, how do you succeed when you think you've got a roadblock here?
And I think the thing is, is that it was truly a blessing. It's taught me so much as far as,
you know, working in literacy, early learning and being able to have that platform to be able to
talk to not only parents, but also to educators as well, to go, you know, it's about choosing a
job you truly enjoy and you'll never work a day in your life. And for me, I think that's the biggest
thing. And your yes and now is what? My yes and now is I'm the plus one now. You know, all of my
kids are succeeding in ways that I just thought, oh, I think for me, it's about now watching their
successes. And I'm finding that jobs just pop up left, right and center, challenges, you know,
pop up left, right and center. I think I would love to get into radio. There are lots of possibilities,
but right now I'm just enjoying being a father, a cast member in Greece, because the reactions
that we've had so far and this new retelling of the show itself, it's like you're coming to a
movie theatre, a drive-in theatre, because you're listening to all the different sounds,
we've got audiovisual, we've got cartoons projected onto the screens itself. And then
the show is just goes and you know, the cast members are just, these guys are amazing. I mean,
I can't wait to see it. Jay Lagaia, I adore you and your big, beautiful heart. Thank you for touching
my life in really incredible ways that you'll never fully realise how much that meant to me.
But it's not only my life you've touched, you've touched so many people. So thank you for being
you and that amazing big cosmic purse of yours. Well, thank you very much. Love to the family.
Say hello to Pete. Thank you. There is so much that I adore and love about Jay. As you can tell,
he has that massive heart, that generosity of spirit. He is just such a good, good person.
And you can catch Jay as Vince Fontaine in Grease the Musical, one of the world's most iconic and
love musicals. And we'll put a link in the show notes for ticket details. I just adore it. I know
all of the songs and I cannot wait to go and see it. We have so many incredible guests for you this
year on the Jessrow Big Talk Show podcast. And it would mean so much to me if you subscribe to the
show. Now, why? It's free. It means you can have all of these great conversations and they're going
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with Jay, I reckon you will love my chat with another Grease star, Marsha Hines. I think it's
a very spiritual thing to do this thing, you know? And in life, things that are amazing, Jessica,
if you try and describe them, they fall into nothingness. You ever notice that? Like something
incredible. And you try and say how it felt or what it looked like. You can. Some things are best
left unsaid. The Jessrow Big Talk Show is hosted by me, Jessrow, executive producer Nick McClure.
She's a wonderful leopard lady, audio imager Nat Marshall, supervising producer Sam Kavanagh.
Until next time, remember to live big. Life is just too crazy and glorious to waste time
on the stuff that doesn't matter.