A listener production.
That's the power of positive thinking.
I just thought, I can do this, I can do this,
And if you tell yourself something enough,
then you believe it.
And that's like in a negative way as well.
If you tell yourself you can't do something,
then you're not going to be able to do it.
But I just kept saying, I can do this, I can do this.
Hi, I'm Jess Rowe.
And this is the Jess Rowe Big Talk Show.
A podcast that skips the small talk
and goes big and deep.
From love to loss and everything in between,
I want to show you a different side of people
who seem to have it all together
in these raw and honest conversations
about the things that matter.
I don't know about you,
but in this time of social isolation,
I really crave connected conversations.
So I'm going to dig deep to give you a new window
into the souls of the people we're curious
to get to know and understand.
There might be tears as well as laughter
as we celebrate the real life flaws
and vulnerabilities that make us human.
In this episode, I speak with champion iron woman,
She's the powerhouse behind her family,
which is made up of her three young daughters
and husband international cricketer, David Warner.
I've always been blown away by her strength and tenacity.
And after she wowed me with her resilience
on SAS Australia, I knew I needed to chat to this Amazon.
Now, when we recorded our chat, we did it during lockdown.
So Candice was sitting on her bedroom floor
wearing her daughter's headphones plugged into their iPad.
So the audio isn't perfect, but our chat is top shelf.
Candice, it is so great to be chatting with you at last.
I'm a massive fan of yours.
I love your strength.
I love your gutsiness.
Where does that come from?
Oh, well, thank you for having me on.
But very good question.
I'm not too sure, to be honest.
I grew up in a very working class family
at Marouba Beach in the Eastern suburbs of Sydney.
And my parents have always had to work really hard
for what we've got growing up.
I saw, you know, my father had two jobs.
My mum would get up early to provide for the family.
So I think just having really good role models
with my parents and seeing that things don't come easy.
I think that kind of just stuck with me from a very young age.
Because you were the youngest professional iron woman.
Yeah, so when I was turned 14,
I was the youngest athlete to ever turn professional
in surf lifesaving.
And I was never the best athlete.
But I think the one thing that I had on my side
was that I was very tenacious.
I was very determined.
And if someone told me I couldn't do something,
then I just took that as a challenge.
And I said, well, watch me.
And that was the thing, we did watch you.
I mean, I reckon you could give Grant Kenny
a run for his money.
You should be on the NutriGrain box.
Oh, I don't know about that.
I mean, Grant Kenny's in a league of his own
and he's such a legend and an icon of Australian sport.
The one thing that I guess I did maybe
was just to show people that never give up on a dream.
It took 10 years for me to finally
have my breakthrough win on the professional circuit.
But the entire time, I still didn't lose focus.
I wanted to be the best.
I still believed that I could be there.
And I still woke up at quarter past four every morning
with that dream and I knew it was possible.
It was just a matter of when.
Which just blows my mind to have that level of focus,
especially from such an early age.
What about, did you ever get scared?
Because I am terrified of the surf.
The thought of getting in the waves.
I just like stand in the shallows
and sort of jump over a wave and then out I get.
I mean, that big surf, did it terrify you?
There was times in my competitive career
when I was really, really young
and we raced at Portsea down in Victoria
and the surf was absolutely massive.
And these days they wouldn't hold events
in those conditions.
But when you've got a dream and a goal, you just do it.
And you say, well, if the older, more experienced girls
are doing it, then that's what I've got to do.
But these days I'm a little bit more of a chicken.
I sort of, I step in the water and I think,
oh, as soon as the water touches my lower back,
I think, oh God, how did I used to do this?
But I think with anything,
there's always that level of excitement,
but also a mix of being scared at the same time.
The surf is so unpredictable
and you never know what it's going to throw up.
And sometimes I think you almost need to have
that level of fear or perhaps it's adrenaline
to get you through those sorts of situations.
And I think you also feed off that if you,
as soon as you get on that start line,
the adrenaline gets pumping, your heart rate goes up
and you know that it's time to race.
Without that, I guess it's just another race
and you're not entirely ready.
So you're able to channel those nerves
because I was really interested in reading recently
when you were commentating on the games,
on the triathlons that you were nervous about doing that.
Why did that make you nervous?
Oh, I was nervous for a few reasons.
As a former athlete, you set huge expectations for yourself
and you want to do the best job that you can possibly do.
And I studied a lot in the lead up to the commentary.
I wanted to make sure that I was across the sport.
With triathlon, it's three disciplines.
You have the swimming, the bike, the run.
So you need to really be across everything.
And the other thing, it's the Olympic games.
And these athletes have put so much into competing.
They sacrificed so much over the last five years.
And for me, it was a real honour to be able to call the race
and to do them justice and to do the sacrifices
that they've made and all the hard work
that not just themselves, but the family have done
in order to get them to the Olympics is,
there's a little bit of pressure there.
And the thing is, you understand that.
You understand that level of pressure,
but also what they've had to sacrifice,
what they've had to give up.
And you mentioned their family.
What sort of things did your family do
to help you achieve your dreams?
I think family plays a huge role and a very significant role
in most athletes or anyone's career.
Your parents are the ones who sort of introduce you
They're the ones who, when they take you
to the swimming training, they're up early.
They're driving you.
They're sleeping in the car, waiting for you to finish.
And they do it every single morning.
They don't complain.
They turn up and they support you and they encourage you.
They're there to wipe your tears
if you don't have a good race
or things don't go quite to plan.
In my instance, my mother was, you know, she was everything.
She was the lady that I confined in.
She was the lady who was, I guess, my nutritionist
and would do all the research
into what I was supposed to eat
and when I should be having it.
And, you know, parents and families play a vital role
in every athlete's career.
And I suppose as well,
you mentioned the connection with your mum.
You're a mum now.
You've got three beautiful little girls.
What sort of mum are you?
That's a very good question.
I would have to say that I am, I'm a fun mum,
but I'm also a very strict and regimented mum.
I spent a lot of time being a single mother
when David's away with the Australian cricket team.
So in order for me to survive on my own,
I have to, I guess, my girls are in a routine.
So, you know, we have dinner at a certain time,
they have their baths, we read, we go to bed.
And although it doesn't sound like too much fun,
it works for us and the girls respond really well to it.
And that's how I survive and that's the way we do it.
But on the weekends,
I like to have a lot of fun with my girls.
We're often at the beach and I'm, you know,
having races or we're paddling or swimming.
I just try to get my girls involved
in as much as we possibly can
and be their best friend,
but also be their mother and guide them
and use my experience as good or bad
to, I guess, to help them through life.
And that's the key, making it fun.
But I could also imagine you being very,
in terms of, you know, you say with your routine
and strict, I'm a shocker.
I'm so, I'm the soft touch in the house.
Would you say you're pretty much the, you know,
the strict one, the bad cop?
Yes, oh, most definitely.
I am the bad cop.
I run my house like a little bit like military, you know?
But David is the fun one.
David is the one that when he comes home from tour,
he's the one that throws a spinner in the works,
that spoils my routine, but the girls love it
and it's just what they need.
You know, he's the one that will get the dog
and chuck it on the bed and he's the one who will say,
no, no, I'll stay up for another half an hour.
He's the one that is doing the handstands with the girls.
He's such an incredible father
and I think we have such a great balance in that way.
And that's the key, isn't it?
And I think you see your partner when he becomes a father
in a whole new light, but I remember,
cause you know my husband, Petey,
he used to work for 60 minutes.
So he would spend eight months of the year travelling,
but we would always have our worst arguments
just before he left on a trip
and then just when he would come back from a trip.
I would want to put him in a hotel and say,
can you just go in a hotel for a week
so you can get rid of the swearing
and get rid of all the nonsense
and then come back when you're ready.
Do you guys find that as well?
Look, we don't fight too much,
but whenever David gets home, it is very hard
because I get my own little routine going on
and he gets home and he just ruins all that.
He thinks that he's still back in a hotel room,
clothes everywhere, towel on the floor,
you know, just sloppy, lazy, I guess, behaviour that men do.
After a few days of me, you know,
giving him dirty looks or not picking his things up
or after a while just saying, you know, this is not on.
He soon sort of snaps back into family mode
and he knows what he's got to do,
but we just compliment one another so well.
And, you know, as soon as he gets home,
he takes over the reins of dad, he does the cooking,
he reads the books to the girls.
Yeah, he does, he does.
Oh, but when I say cook, he barbecues.
But that's all right.
I reckon if a bloke can cook and clean,
to me, that's the ultimate aphrodisiac.
Yes, yeah, oh, most definitely.
So, you know, every night we have either chicken
on the barbecue or we have sausages or lamb
and it's amazing what you can do on that barbecue.
And I'm all for it.
I'm like, yeah, let's have another barbecue, go for it.
I mean, the two of you,
you really are, I think, a fantastic team.
You know, your husband, David,
I think he's a mesmerising person,
but he's also polarising.
And I heard an interview with him quite some time ago,
the two of you did it together,
and he had said that he wouldn't be playing cricket
if it wasn't for you.
Yes, when you hear things like that,
it does make me slightly emotional.
But like you said, Jess, we do work as a team
and individually we're good,
but together I feel like we're great.
We work hand in hand, we encourage one another,
we just bring out the best in one another.
And I think in order to have success
and at a really high level,
you need to surround yourself with good people
and honest people that are going to tell you
that sometimes things aren't great,
sometimes things aren't rosy,
sometimes you do need to pull your head in.
And that's, we have that relationship
where we can be super honest with one another.
And I think that's sometimes a secret to our success
is that we know when, you know,
if David's not training as much as he should,
as I know that he should, I will say, come on,
you're kind of slacking off.
Or if David sees that I might be, you know,
sometimes at home,
I can be a little bit short with the kids.
I can be frustrated and take my anger out on them and such.
Or if I'm having a stressful day,
I can be very short with the kids.
And I guess that's my downfall,
but David's the one to bring that to my attention.
And I always take everything that he says on board
So we work really well as a team
and together we're just super strong.
That's such a beautiful way of describing your relationship
because that's what I'd love to get from you
that you actually though, you reached out to him
when he was going through a pretty tough time in the UK,
And then you connected over that.
So David and I grew up not too far from one another actually.
So we always knew of one another,
but didn't really know each other.
And I could see that he was going through some hard times
and I actually saw, it was like a little documentary on TV
and it changed my opinion dramatically of him.
So I always had this opinion that he was,
what we see on the field is that he's that aggressor.
But I saw another side to him.
And when I just felt like I had to reach out to him
and the rest is history.
And how though did you reach out?
Did you ring him?
Did you slip into his DMs?
Or I mean, what happened?
Well, basically, so I don't even know
if Instagram was around.
Oh no, it was, but no, it was over Twitter.
We followed each other on Twitter
and we just started chatting.
And then from there,
we struck up a really good conversation
and we kind of solved the world's problems together
in our own little way.
And we just had this connection that,
when you just know it's right, it is.
And we pretty much, besides from him going on tour
and us not being able to travel with him recently,
we've pretty much been inseparable since.
And it's that sense of,
when you do have that connection with someone,
I liken it to, you can almost relax.
You can sort of exhale and think,
oh, this is what it should be.
This is what a partnership,
a truly good relationship and partnership is all about.
And it's so easy.
It's a very easy relationship.
We don't, there's no stress.
There's no, both David or myself,
trying to be someone we're not.
We could be goofballs around one another.
We can just, I can have a really ugly day
and like most women do,
and I just still feel appreciated and loved.
And it's just, he really is a big softie.
And for David to have three daughters
and now we've got a little doggie,
she's also a little girl.
He's just, it really is very, very soft.
And I'm very, very fortunate to have
a beautiful relationship
and have a husband that loves me very much.
I think that's such a lovely idea too,
that he's surrounded by women.
Isn't he a lucky bloke?
Yeah, well, I think he's lucky.
Let's just see what happens
when the girls turn into teenagers.
I'm not at that stage yet, but I heard it can be,
maybe I'll get some tips from you.
It is a whole new world, as the Disney song goes.
But once they're teenagers,
I think girls especially get too hard a time,
but it's really hard being a teenage girl.
There's so much sort of pressure.
You're going through so many changes.
And I, if anything, try to lighten up on my girls
and get the moods.
But what's actually lovely is Petey,
he's a beautiful dad too of his daughters.
And I love seeing that connection
that he has with the girls.
And they'll go for walks and have a chat,
or they'll go what they call vibing in the car
and the leg will crank up this appalling rap music.
She sounds a little bit like me.
And they'll have a chat or they won't have a chat,
but each stage brings something different,
different and new.
What I'd like to now talk about is a particularly,
I suppose it was a public and very difficult time
And my heart went out to you enormously
when I remember there was vision of you guys coming back
from the tour in, what was it, South Africa,
and you were just met by media.
And I just wanted to scoop you all up.
As you can understand,
it's been a tough and emotional time for my wife and the kids.
At this present time,
you'll hear from me in a couple of days.
At the moment, my priority is to get these kids in bed
and rest up and let my mind clear
so I can think and talk to them a couple of days.
Yeah, plans for a deal.
Thanks guys, please.
Yeah, that was a very, very hard time in our life.
It's also, as parents, all you want to ever do
is no matter how old your kid's age, to protect your kids.
And for comments to be made,
like we're using our kids as human shields,
we're bad parents, it hurt more than anything
that we went through at the time.
And that's the thing, isn't it?
I reckon it's almost like as grownups,
for want of a better word, although it's painful,
you can sort of wear the criticism.
But if anyone then starts taking it out on your children,
it's a whole different scenario.
Yes, and I'm very protective.
I've always been the type, even with David,
to protect anyone.
And I will be the type of person who, good or bad,
I will always approach someone
and try to put them in their place
in the nicest possible way.
But in that period, I kind of just had to sit back
Everyone was very quick to judge.
Everyone saw images, saw us coming out of the airport
and wanted to jump on the bandwagon of hating the waters.
And I get that people have opinions,
but when there's so much hate towards certain people,
when you don't really know all the facts
or the situation, then that's when I have
a real issue with it.
Oh, of course, even you talking about it,
There's sort of the knot in my stomach.
And it was just so public.
And I think that also sometimes people don't appreciate
when it is played out in such a public way,
the added pressure of that as well.
Oh, it was a huge pressure.
And at that time, I was very early in my pregnancy.
I was pregnant and no one knew that.
And we soon after, I miscarried or David and I,
And it was really heartbreaking.
It was just, I felt like one thing after another.
And it takes a great deal of strength
and to get through situations and times like that,
and then to bounce back and to be bigger and better
from those situations, it takes incredible resilience.
Which I think you have inspired.
You spoke about as a young girl,
learning or getting that sort of strength and resilience
through your sporting career.
But also too, I think about when I'm struggling
and my kids see me struggling.
And I've learned over time ways of trying to explain
to them because I've had depression in the past.
And I used to try and hide it.
And then I realised perhaps that wasn't the right message
that I needed to show if I was sad, I was sad,
but I could get through it.
How did you manage, I suppose, with your kids?
They're still little though, but when you were so upset,
did you hide that from them or did they see it?
I did hide it from them.
And I've been one of those people who have always struggled
with showing emotion.
Although I've always been very close to my mum.
I've never, very rarely have I showed emotion
If I was ever hurting, I would keep it to myself.
If I was struggling anyway, I would keep it to myself.
I now know that it's such a horrible thing to do.
And you shouldn't never have to go through things
like that on your own.
And there's people out there that are always willing to help.
But as someone who has grown up with brothers
in an environment and an area like Maruba,
you're always told to suck things up, don't show emotion.
So if you do that for so long, then it's very hard
to pull those walls down and be vulnerable
and show people that as softer side of you,
because it's always like, you know, suck it up,
be tough, be strong.
So it's taken me a lot to show a softer side
and a more vulnerable side.
You're still a very strong person if you do show emotions.
And I try to, as hard as it is for me, I still with my kids,
I try to tell them that crying is okay.
They have seen me cry a few times now
and they think it's funny.
So we sort of see the lighter side in when I do get emotional,
but it has taken me a long time to feel comfortable
to do that in front of people, especially my kids.
Which is so understandable.
I used to think too that I had to be bulletproof
and that I had to sort of wear this armour
and always have everything together all the time.
But then I got to my rock bottom,
which was my postnatal depression
and I hit it from everyone.
But then I got to a point where I thought,
I cannot hide this any longer,
because if I do, I didn't know what would happen to me.
Have you ever been in sort of a situation like that
where it's been a rock bottom for you as well?
Yeah, I probably feel like I've been rock bottom
quite a few times, but every time I'm there,
such beautiful things come of that.
And at the time you think there's no way out,
but you learn so much from those places.
And when you are in such a deep spot,
you get to reassess your whole life
and you sort of think, okay, it doesn't get any worse.
Where do I want to go from here?
Who do I want to surround myself with?
What do I want to stand for?
What mistakes have I made that I won't make again?
And you learn so much about yourself
and you grow as a person and you're almost better for it.
Where do you learn that?
I think a lot of it's from within.
I think very good question.
I don't know where you learn that.
I think when you make mistakes and you survive them,
you soon realize that, hey, I've been in this situation
before and look, I'm still here now.
And I think it's all, it's just experience.
If you don't live, if you don't make mistakes,
you don't learn, you don't know right from wrong.
You don't know the growth that you're capable of.
I always say, sometimes the roughest roads
can lead to the most beautiful destinations.
And for us, I feel like as a family,
we've never been better and never been stronger.
And isn't that remarkable when you think back to that time
when everything was coming at you as a family
and to where you are now?
Can you quite believe that?
Yeah, I can believe it.
Because I am the most positive thinker,
the most positive person you could ever meet.
I'm very spiritual and I know that things don't last forever.
And it's almost like the boomerang effect.
Whatever you put out, you get back.
And throughout that whole time,
just even with David's career, I was like,
just keep focused, keep focused, use this as motivation.
If you want to be better, you will come back firing.
And that's what he did.
No one would have thought he was gonna be playing
for Australia again.
No one would have thought that he would go on
and equal Australia's highest ever record
when he got, I think it was 335, I could be wrong there,
not out in Adelaide and then go on to win
the Allen Water Medal.
Everyone's very quick to write people off,
but what people don't understand
is the inner strength of someone
or what people are actually capable of
when their backs are against the wall.
And that's it, isn't it?
That you don't actually realise, I think,
sometimes what you are capable of
until your back is against the wall.
Because you're a lioness, I reckon.
And as just in terms of your, you are.
You're an absolute lioness
because you just keep on keeping on.
Because there was another time too,
when I was so angry on your behalf,
during South Africa, when there were disgusting,
horrible people throwing vile comments about you.
He said something to me that was quite vile
and vulgar and, you know, it was derogatory.
A comment made about my wife.
You know, and it really triggered
an emotional reaction, response from myself.
And I would never expect a comment
that was so disgusting in the close proximity
of myself from another player.
And I accept, obviously, the charges that have been laid.
And I regret that the way it was played out.
But I'll keep continuing to stand up for my family.
I am normally a meek and mild person,
but I was so angry on your behalf.
How on earth do you endure that and cope with that?
Well, I've kind of had to live with it.
So I have got used to it.
Unfortunately, we live in a society
where even just the other day I was going for a walk
and people were calling things out.
And in this day and age, I just,
it blows my mind to think people are so narrow-minded.
And yeah, but I have learned to live with it.
And when I did see that in South Africa,
when all I was trying to do was support my husband,
go to a game of cricket and cheer on the Australian team.
I was forced to defend myself or to almost hide
because I was embarrassed.
It was, you know, it was a horrible, horrible thing.
And it should never have been allowed.
The fact that some of the officials at the time
thought it was funny and had photos with men
who were posing with masks on.
Like, I just think it just goes to show
how far I feel we've come since then.
And that behavior is just not tolerated.
Of course it's not.
And the part that also outrages me so much
is that as a woman in the public eye,
we endure far more than any bloke ever has to.
And that's what makes me furious too.
We're so quick to be judged.
If we lose weight, we're too skinny.
We have an eating disorder.
If we put on weight, then we're fat and, you know,
If we're looking tired, then, you know,
something's going wrong at home.
We're always, you know, we're always being judged.
It's not fair. It's not right.
I don't know when that's going to change.
I hope it's soon.
But yeah, it's not what you sign up for, that's for sure.
Of course it's not.
But your resilience is, I think,
something that we can all learn from.
And the grace that you've had to just keep on keeping on.
Because another time that you wowed me was on SAS Australia.
How did you do that?
I wanted you to win.
I think you should have won.
That was amazing.
Yeah, I really wanted to win.
Just to prove to myself, and it's just,
I love a challenge like that.
And for me, I do get offered different shows,
whether it be, you know, you're dancing with the stars
or whatever it may be.
And I turn them down.
But when this opportunity came up,
it was just too good to be true.
It was one of those things that I was just so suited for.
I feel like I'm mentally tough to a certain degree.
But I love the challenge and I love working as a team.
So yeah, it was tough.
It was really, really hard.
It was relentless.
It was all those things.
But I learned so much from it.
And you realize that as humans,
we're so much more capable of things
than we give ourselves credit for.
And when you surround yourself with the right people
and people that believe in you,
it's incredible what you can achieve.
But how did you find the sense of people
who believed in you?
Because there was all that shouting.
And if someone shouts at me,
that's when I just fall apart.
Or I would want to give them the finger
and basically walk away and say,
do not talk to me like that.
How did you close that out of your ears
and all the carry on?
Yeah, it was tough at first,
but I just kept remembering, stay focused.
This is all part of it.
They're trying to break you.
You can't be broken.
And I just had to keep talking to myself,
talking those really positive things.
And I was a little disappointed
how I, I guess, exited the show.
I didn't take my number off.
And that's the thing.
So many incredible people were on that show
that was so tough, so strong.
And I felt like they had to get rid of us
because no one was giving in.
No one was giving up.
And I just think that's so Australian.
And I just, I take my hat off to everyone
that participated in that show
or put their hat in the ring
because the stuff that you don't see
is just how cold it is,
the moments of just hours of drying your clothes,
the camaraderie, the hours spent in the back of vehicles,
cuddling each other and telling each other that it's okay.
It's as close to the real thing as you can get.
It's just a very condensed version.
And I mean, it was amazing.
And I'll do it again.
Really? You'd do it again?
Yeah, but that's just the competitive nature that I have.
I just, I want to do better.
I'm disappointed that I didn't win.
I want to get to the end.
So yeah, if I got that opportunity again,
I would really relish in the fact
that I know what to expect to some degree,
or you never really know what to expect,
but yeah, I would love to do it again.
Well, you won in my eyes
and your tenacity also was something to behold.
What did your girls and husband make of it?
Look, I would have loved to have won,
but David and the girls were so proud.
They know how hard I worked for the show.
I was walking the streets with a backpack full of rice.
Sometimes it'd be 20 kilos of rice.
I would be, oh, it was crazy.
I was in my boots.
I was doing everything that I possibly could to prepare,
but they were just super proud to see their mom.
They had a laugh when I was crying,
but David was just, first of all,
I think he was just shocked that I'd jump out
of the chopper backwards.
I think he was shocked that I was doing some
of those things because I'm that person
that when we go to movie world or wherever it may be,
I don't want to go on roller coasters.
I am the world's biggest chicken.
Yes, yes, really.
I am even going on the swings down at the park.
It makes my stomach turn.
I am, I'm not good.
Well, you definitely sort of turned that on its head
with, as you say, going out of the back
of helicopters and things.
And also, did it give you a sense of being able
to show your family there's a whole lot more to me
that either you don't know or that is in here?
Well, that's the power of positive thinking.
I just thought I can do this.
And if you tell yourself something enough,
then you believe it.
And that's like in a negative way as well.
If you tell yourself you can't do something,
then you're not going to be able to do it.
But I just kept saying, I can do this.
But I think it did show my girls that I'm, you know,
I'm more than just mommy who makes their lunches
or, you know, drops them off to school
and picks them up and does their reading.
That mommy is really capable and that I'm strong
and that I can do some pretty cool things.
Yeah, well, you're Wonder Woman.
Why don't you say you're Wonder Woman
or one of the Avengers?
It was an incredible experience.
And I've grown as a person since then.
And although it's funny how it took something like that show
for me to be able to feel like I could be vulnerable
and to open up and to let my walls down.
And it's, for me, that was the biggest gift out of all,
everything that I got from the show.
And isn't that a gift, as you say,
because I think being vulnerable
is one of the strongest and bravest things
that anyone can ever do.
And it's also one of the hardest things to do.
So, I've really let my walls down
and my guard down since then.
I've been a lot more open.
I've also been a different mother.
I've been the mother that encourages my girls
to just let it out,
if they're feeling emotion, to embrace that emotion.
So, I think I'm a better person for it.
Well, Candice, thank you so much
for sharing some of your story with us.
Your girls are so lucky to have you as a mom
and we're lucky as women and blokes
to have you as a role model.
Thank you so much.
No, thank you very much.
I really do appreciate it.
And I love to be able to share my story
and I hope that inspires people
if someone's having a bad day to know that,
everything's gonna be okay.
Thanks, beautiful.
I'm marvel at the focus and determination of Candice
and how she's come to realise the strength
that comes from being vulnerable.
Next week, I speak to singer and performer Mitch Tambo
about how his indigenous version of The Voice
has been more than just another song.
And how his mum and grandparents taught him
he could be anyone he wanted to be.
It shouldn't matter what race, religion, gender, sexuality
or class you're from, you should really be able to feel free
to be who you truly are and feel safe enough to just
bear it all and not feel like you're gonna be judged
and condemned for it.
The Jess Rowe Big Talk Show was presented by me, Jess Rowe,
producer Nick McClure, audio producer Nicky Sitch,
supervising producer Sam Kavanagh.
Until next time, remember to live big.
Life is just too crazy and glorious to waste time
on the stuff that doesn't matter.