Oh God, career's so complicated.
I don't really think of it as a career option
because you don't really do that at that age.
I wanted to work at like the sports store, you know,
like I was just, I just love sport.
To many people, Phoebe Litchfield is quite the character
off the cricket pitch, but when she's at the crease,
almost nothing can stop her.
The young gun from country New South Wales
made her debut in the women's big bash at just 16 years old
and continues to etch her name in history.
She's the youngest Aussie cricketer to score 50 runs
in both an ODI and the big bash,
but just recently became the youngest player
to captain a women's big bash team
as the captain of the Sydney Thunder.
Welcome back to the Female Athlete Project for 2025.
I'm Sophie, the producer here at TFAP,
and to kick things off for the new year,
Chloe sat down with Phoebe in the lead up to the Ashes.
The 21-year-old batter chats all things cricket
and the increasing responsibility
of being a professional athlete.
After just witnessing the Australian women's cricket team
make history with a 16-0 whitewash over England,
we hope you enjoy this episode.
Phoebe, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you for having me.
I'm very excited to have a chat today.
It's like a 30-degree day.
I'm already dripping with sweat.
The aircon is not working, but we will get there.
I've seen lots of your stuff on social media,
and so I'm keen to have a chat with you.
I'm keen to have a chat,
because you seem like a bit of a character.
No, I appreciate it.
Yeah, no, I love just being myself, really.
But, yeah, thanks.
Take us back to the beginning.
Can you describe Phoebe as a little kid?
Oh, I hang around kids now, and I'm like,
God, I was definitely one of those people.
Like, I was so competitive.
You know, there would be contests that end in tears.
My mum and dad just tell me that, like,
I'd literally just be outside until, you know,
the sun went down, trying to...
Be better than my brothers, really,
and practice every sport on earth
and just try and be better than my brothers.
So, yeah, also competitive and just love being active, really.
How many brothers?
And both sport people?
Yeah, my oldest brother's probably the more coordinated one.
Sorry, I'm a brother.
No, he'll hopefully doesn't listen to this.
But, yeah, so my older brother and I kind of, yeah,
had a lot of backyard battles.
That sounds actually very similar, my older brother and I.
Well, actually, when you walked in before,
that was my younger brother gaming at his gaming desk.
He's moved back in with mum and dad.
He was gaming at his gaming desk.
He was the gamer as a kid, whereas me and my older brother
were always super competitive out in the backyard.
Yeah, well, it's literally the same.
My younger brother, like, loves his PS4 more than the actual games.
How did you first find a love for cricket?
Yeah, I think, like most, you know, female cricketers,
it kind of comes from your dad or your brother.
And, yeah, they...
You know, dad loved cricket.
Older brother then loved cricket.
And it was always in the family and then it would be in the backyard
and I'd kind of go, oh, can I have a go?
And then my dad's like, oh, you've got, you know,
somewhat of a hand-eye coordination.
So, yeah, just kept having a go at the end of, you know,
my brother's practice or whatever.
And then, yeah, kind of fell in love with it.
There was so much to do in the sport and so much to kind of uncover.
And then some was just literally was cricket in our family.
So, yeah, fell in love with it there.
Yeah. Being from Orange in a regional town,
was that, what was your access to sport like?
It was actually really good.
I think, yeah, Orange is probably kind of a central hub.
It's got really good facilities.
And I kind of grew up in an era where it's kind of valued
and country sport has this buzz about it and your community gets around it.
And especially, I kind of grew up, I was probably the only,
well, I was the only girl in my cricket teams and I was just embraced,
which was so great.
And similarly, you know, the facilities, the coaching and, yeah,
it was kind of probably a blessing in disguise.
Like, you know, and my dad was probably my coach.
Well, he was my coach, sorry.
Why did I say Raleigh?
My dad was my coach.
So I literally had a one-on-one coach for, you know, pretty much till I was 16.
Do you reckon there's a lot of untapped talent,
like maybe not a big regional hub like Orange,
but like if there's people in more like rural and remote areas,
I often wondered like surely there's got to be heaps of talent out there
that just don't have the access.
And I think I was so fortunate.
You know, I went to a really good school in Orange and had, you know,
my dad and people, you know, supporting me, driving me to Sydney.
But you look at, you know, some of the best cricketers, you know,
Nathan Lyon, Josh Hazelwood, all from the country.
And you go, there are kids out there and dad sees them.
Dad still coaches out West and still sees, you know, really talented kids.
But yeah, it's kind of that access.
And that the facilities and just investment into, you know,
little kids careers, but you don't know that.
And you probably don't realize that as a parent.
But I guess like I come down to Sydney and, you know,
when I was 14, 15 and this like, you know,
20 girls in this program in Sydney doing their gym sessions.
I'm like, oh my God, like, that's cool.
So, you know, I would have loved to sort of experience that
and see what that was like.
But yeah, I think I've had pretty much the same out of the country.
Because you're younger now.
Like, whether are you part of that generation where it's changing,
but you did kind of still grow up, like you said, playing with the boys.
So it's, if you were to go back to Orange now, are there girls teams?
I think not fully girls teams, but there's, you know, two or three girls in each team.
And, you know, there's a, kind of a female hub of, you know,
girls that train on a Friday afternoon.
Not necessarily, you know, in each other's teams, but they come together and they train together.
it's really cool to see that.
And dad kind of has a massive part in that to play.
Like, usually parents kind of work when their child's in it and then kind of leave.
But he stayed there and just loves coaching little girls and it's just so, it's so great.
And that's kind of the thing that I admire about him.
He just like, he just loves it.
And I call him on like a Thursday night and I hear, you know, the indoor center buzz and some balls being hit.
I'm like, are you at the indoor center?
It's like 6.30 at night.
He's like, yeah, I'm just with the girls.
And, yeah, they love him.
What's dad's name?
Shout out to Andy.
Shout out to Andy.
Like, there's so many people like that, I reckon, that just, like, put so much into community sport.
And I think the country kind of vibe about it.
And I had, you know, coaches growing up that, you know, would go till all hours just throwing me balls.
It's pretty cool.
When did you work out, like, dad was like, yeah, you're not bad at backyard cricket.
Let's go, like, have a crack at this.
When were you like, oh.
Maybe I might try to play for my country one day.
Oh, yeah, I don't know.
I, yeah, I was fortunate to grow up in an era where I could watch the likes of Elyse
Perry and, you know, Elyse Healey megalanding on TV and kind of probably I really think
of as a career option because you don't really do that at that age.
I wanted to work at, like, the sports store, you know, like, I was just I just love sport.
But, you know, I probably when I started playing, getting my first bat, probably at the age
And you kind of I remember going down to down to Sydney and trying for, like, the CIS side
and your childhood PA teacher kind of goes, oh, do you want to play in that and sign you
up and you go down to Sydney.
And that's when I got selected in that I go, okay, like, this is there's a there's a pathway
and that's kind of where it started.
And we were discussing off air that cricketers often have a pretty straight down the line
I'm really putting them in the box here.
And, you know, more often than not, I can if you compare it to other sports.
Because is that kind of the nature of the game?
Like, it's it's obviously a team sport, but like, particularly when you're batting, it's
pretty individual, right?
Like, you just got to get in your zone and do your thing.
You from what I can tell, like, you've got a real character about you.
I don't know if that sentence makes sense, but you know what I'm saying?
How did you find like, as a young person, did you feel like you you fit into the box
of being a cricketer?
I probably didn't know that that was kind of a box.
But yeah, I played hockey as well.
So I love team sport and but I also love, you know, working, you know, unusually, we
put a wall up in our backyard, so I'd play tennis or like I'd do the individual sports.
So I love like working individually, but then love the team elements.
So like cricket was the best thing ever because you could, you know, do not that I was like
selfish, but you could like work on your kind of craft, which was batting for me.
And then you come together and celebrate it with the team.
So yeah, it was kind of a match made in heaven.
Looking at Big Bash, because it's a pretty epic competition.
How many years has Big Bash been going for?
So it's on similar, maybe a year ahead of AFLW, because I think we've done nine seasons
What's it been like being part of a domestic league like that?
I think it's one of the best in the world and kind of just unearthed so many great players
and continues to increase the, you know, the standard of Australian cricket.
You know, one of my mates, Georgia Vole, who's my age, and she's just debuted for Australia
and smashed it out of the park, but mind the pun, but like she goes, oh yeah, like international
crickets, it's not like that far off domestic cricket in Australia.
You know, she scored a ton in her second innings and smashed it and you're like, okay, you're
like so fine too.
And a lot of people could play international cricket because of the standard of Australian
cricket, which is awesome.
That's very cool.
And when did you start to notice that you had qualities that might be perceived as good
leadership qualities?
I kind of did it as a kid growing up in the pathways and I think just like, not to, you
know, toot my horn, but the energy every.
It's like the, I don't know, as you say, the cricketers are probably a bit quiet on the,
on the quieter side and I probably bring this energy and yeah, inspire people through that.
And I never really, you know, trained it or purposely thought about it, but I think, yeah,
one the energy, but also just like the action leading from my actions and bringing teams
together with that.
A lot of people who become leaders kind of have almost established themselves as a player
and then like add, don't necessarily like add the leadership on, but they kind of like,
But has it been a weird thing to be like still developing as a younger player, but then at
the same time doing the leadership stuff?
Like, I don't know if I, if I was just an average cricket, I probably wouldn't be later,
but you know what I mean?
Like, I feel like you, you get in to these roles because of the experience that I've
had at international levels.
And yeah, it was such a great learning curve this year.
I probably, you know, I was very on the edge to take it just because of my age, but oh
It was, it was a challenge, but it was also really rewarding.
And I think, yeah, taking on that leadership so young probably teaches you more about leadership
than you probably like, I never really sat down and go, okay, this is the theory of leadership.
It's just learning on the go.
And that was probably my favorite part of it.
Cause I'm, I just find it so intriguing.
It's the most, it's just like a, it's a beast in itself.
Can you give a bit of background for people who might not watch it?
Watch a bit of cricket.
So it's like the IPLs, the men's Indian league, but women's.
And it's pretty much the big bash, but an Indian version.
And there's just, it's crazy.
Like Indians, it's a religion over there and they just get around it so much and there's
a lot of money in it as well.
The auctions are my favorite thing ever.
It's like, so just so strange.
You, I remember watching it when I got, oh, auction probably last year.
Your name comes up and it's like, it's a bit of silence and you're like, oh my God.
It's like, what are you worth?
And it's just such an odd thing to think about.
Cause usually, you know, in every other team you get your manager to, you know, and the
team reaches out and it's a very, you know, just a conversation really.
And all behind closed doors.
Not this big public thing.
But it's, that's the show of it.
Like the, the, the culture over there just loves it.
And it's, it's kind of, yeah, not a game show, but like, you know, you, you just invest
in your team and you invest in the players and so you're invested in it.
Like, it's like a show, so it was very cool.
Yeah, so it, do they have a salary cap that they can bid on and then your name comes up
and the different teams can kind of throw numbers and it just keeps getting higher and
So you kind of just like want two teams to try and go for you and then they just keep
It's like what happened to Annabelle Sutherland and you know, two teams were after, and then
And they've kind of just got so much money, it's ridiculous.
So, well, not compared to the men, but it's like,
it's so cool for women's sport, the numbers that you're thinking about.
And, yeah, two teams just go head to head.
And then sometimes, like, they go for a while,
then another team comes in.
And it's just like, it's so fun.
And what was the experience like being a part of it?
It was really cool.
They just, you're treated like a god over there.
You know, everything's done for you.
It's pretty insane.
And then, yeah, I think just the crowds,
like you're getting probably like 30,000 to 40,000 each game,
even if you're not the home team.
And just, you know, crazy middle-aged Indian men just screaming.
And you're like, I don't think, like, you could make that noise.
Like, I just could imagine, like, thousands of Australian men screaming.
You're like, that's not right.
But it's so great in India.
It's just like, it just happens.
It's just so funny.
Is it a weird contrast to go from, like,
being like a god over there to coming home?
Not saying that, like, when you're representing your country,
it's not like that.
But I imagine there's the way that you're treated is pretty unique
when you're over in India.
And it kind of shows you, like, okay, you know, this isn't life.
And it's amazing.
But it probably shows where our team is.
And we're very grounded.
We've, like, grown up.
To be fair, I've grown up in a very fortunate position.
But the likes of Elise Perreau, Elisa Healy have grown up, you know,
not getting paid a lot.
And now reaping the rewards.
But they know, you know, where they've come from,
how, like, they've had to work hard.
And they're like, India's just, like, treated like gods.
And they come over and they think they're, you know, top shit.
And then we smash them 3-0, whitewash.
So it's kind of funny.
Whilst it's nice, it's always nice to come back home.
And debut for, you played Australia A first.
But can we chat about your debut for the Australian team?
Yeah, debuted in India, actually, in the T20 stuff.
But I was literally a sick replacement.
So the real debut was probably back in Australia.
And I was opening the batting with Beth Mooney.
And, yeah, got some runs, which was awesome.
My family was there and kind of, yeah, it was just a dream come true.
And it was pretty, yeah, it was a really cool day.
And then two days later was, yeah, they come thick and fast, the games.
But it was back out there and scored some more runs.
So, yeah, it was an epic weekend and kind of, yeah, it was a dream come true.
And for it to go like that, it's like, oh, my God, you know, you dream about it.
The night before, I was like, oh, my God, let's not get a duck or, you know.
But, yeah, it was pretty cool for it to happen like that.
What do you think had happened in the lead-up?
What had you done in the lead-up to step out in such a big moment?
Because it's like you're making your debut, you're opening the batting with someone of the caliber of Beth Mooney.
I mean, you could pick multiple people of that caliber.
And that team, like, there's so much history in the Australian women's cricket team.
I'd be so nervous.
Like, what did you do so that you were ready to go?
And I look back at that moment, all my debuts, I've kind of, like, just experienced it.
And it's probably a bit of naivety.
You just go in and it's just, I wish I could, like, I'm pretty young still, but, like, harness that just openness and freedom, I think.
And that was probably what I went in with the day.
I was just like, this is just the best thing ever.
You know, I've dreamt of this moment.
For my whole life, I may as well just go out and enjoy it.
And the game kind of, yeah, we weren't chasing much.
So I was going out there with a bit less nerves.
So, yeah, just go out there and enjoy it, really.
You mentioned a few of the big names in that team.
Is there anyone in particular that you've learned from?
I've probably, you know, looked the way, look at the way Pez goes about her work.
Yeah, they talk, you know, like, I'd follow them on Instagram.
And they always say, oh, she's the professional, blah, blah, blah.
But then, like, seeing it firsthand, you just go, wow.
Yeah, just the way she thinks about the game, the way she prepares, the way she debriefs it.
And then the way she trains.
She's just the ultimate professional.
And I think she's inspired a lot of players in our group to, you know, do the same.
You know, adopt a few of her habits.
And then since coming into the New South Wales group and the Australian group, Ash Gardner, who's at New South Wales, was awesome.
And kind of took me under.
And helped me with training.
And so, yeah, it's been just a great environment.
Have you got a favorite format?
Oh, it's really tough.
I love all of them.
I've, like, as soon as I got selected in the T20 for Australia, I've really loved that game.
It's entertaining.
But then also love the ODI format.
You've got more time than the test.
I actually can't decide.
I actually don't have a favorite, I don't think.
Can you give us a...
Because a lot of what we do at the Female Athlete Project is we've got, obviously, lots of sports fans already.
But we like to try and break things down for people who maybe don't know a lot about cricket.
Can you give us a breakdown of the three formats?
So, the T20 format...
Cricket's so complicated.
So, I try and, like, talk it to my...
Well, explain it to my friends.
And they just don't understand.
But, I don't know.
It's just, like, 20 overs.
So, six balls in each over.
Each team gets 20 overs to bat.
And you try and post a big total.
And then the other team gets to do the same.
And you try and score as many runs or more.
And then the 50-over format is 50 overs of that version.
And then the test is just a whole different beast.
It's pretty much you just...
You can bat for as long as you like.
And you pretty much have to bat twice and score more runs than them.
That was a good explainer.
That was a good breakdown.
I think that's how it works.
Take 20 wickets to win the test match.
That's always a good thing.
You have to bowl the team out twice.
You look so unsure.
Like, you've never played in a CS before.
No, it's more just, like...
And I know the rules.
But, like, trying to explain it.
But you don't think about how I actually explain.
But that was a good little...
Yeah, you did well.
I want to chat about you off-field in terms of, like, how have you approached building
your brand as an athlete?
Like, we talked about you having a bit of personality.
How much have you kind of harnessed that versus just being like, well, I'm just being myself?
Yeah, I don't know.
And I think, yeah, I've never tried to force anything because that just becomes too unnatural
And, you know, the Instagram and all that stuff and the TikTok, it's kind of a massive
platform for women's sport or just sport in general.
Like, I love watching, you know, Day in the Life and all these female athletes just, like,
so amazing at it.
And it's such a great insight.
When I think of doing it myself, I'm like, oh, what?
You know, it's this kind of, I don't know.
So I just, like, try to be myself.
I probably, yeah, don't give it so much on my own socials, but, you know, on the Australian
Women's page and through my endorsements, try to show a bit more personality.
But, yeah, it's just being myself and hopefully that gets us as well.
Have you found yourself almost wanting to say yes to everything?
No, I've, it's funny, I think, because I'm still in this kind of honeymoon phase of international
cricket and, you know, being on the top stage, I've been like, oh, yeah, let's go do that.
And all the older players are like, oh, God, you know.
They've had enough.
You can take that one.
Not another appearance.
And I'm like, what do you mean?
We're going to get to, like, play cricket with some girls.
And I'm like, oh, OK.
But then, yeah, I found, like, in the big bash recently with the leadership, had a lot
more media and, you know, was saying yes to everything.
And kind of, like, got a bit draining.
And I was like, OK, this is probably what, like, all the older players feel.
They, you know, it doesn't last forever, this, you know, buzz about the sport.
And coming in so early, I think I've kind of lived through it and I loved it.
But it comes a point where you're like, OK, this is actually my job.
And it's actually going for a lot of years.
You know, I've played probably two years in international cricket.
And not that it's lost its, like, you know, energy.
But you go, OK, you settled in now.
And kind of getting used to the routine.
And, yeah, so saying yes to everything is actually quite tiring sometimes.
Whilst, you know, you still want to, you know, grow the sports brand, your personal brand.
But, yeah, it takes a toll sometimes.
I'm curious about that, like, chatting to media thing.
Because there's this, like, I'm so curious when I just watch athletes get interviewed,
like, post-match and whatever.
You, like, see some athletes who are, like, very much, like, tick the box, like, credit
to the boys type response.
Because, like, how far do you take it where you want, you still want your personality
to come across, but you can't put your foot in it and say something ridiculous?
Yeah, it's funny.
And I, you know, my mom will send me articles.
And I'm like, God, no.
I was, like, I said that with a laugh and a joke.
And then you read it on the paper and it's like, it's like the worst.
And you're like, oh, my God, did I say that?
And I'm like, no, I said it as a joke.
And all the other reporters were laughing.
And you're like, oh, dang.
Oh, that's not good.
So I'm, like, learning some media skills in that way as well.
From pure experience.
But, yeah, and I found myself, yeah, there was one moment in the Big Bash where we changed
And, you know, like, you're not supposed to tell everyone your secrets.
They're like, oh, why'd you change it?
And I actually just told them.
And then I was like, oh, like, probably shouldn't have done that.
But, yeah, whoops.
Anyway, like, so just things like that.
So purely just learning off the cuff.
But, yeah, trying to make it interesting at the same time.
What do you hope to achieve in your international career?
Whoa, that's big.
It's a big question.
Like, you know, my kind of goal is to score as many runs as possible.
And that's my kind of job in the team.
And that probably motivates me the most.
Not that I measure it in any way.
But, you know, I'm not looking at my average every 10 seconds.
But it's probably contributing to the side the way I want to and feeling comfortable in that way.
I think, you know, since coming into the side, it's very daunting.
Like, they're very successful and probably.
And, you know, one of the most successful sides in Australian sport.
And to come in and fail a bit and go, oh, like, is that okay?
And even in the nets, like, I feel like when I was, you know, not hitting the ball very well,
I was like, okay, this is like a performance.
So I'm, like, going into the nets where it should be, like, a nice environment to just train.
I'm, like, nervous because I'm, like, I don't want to fail.
And it's, like, being able to just, like, be comfortable in that space to score runs and contribute to the side.
And then hopefully, yeah.
Like, score the most runs.
I don't know how to put that, but, yeah, we'd love to break some record for scoring the most amount of runs.
Break a few of Pez's records, surely.
How did you, that's quite interesting, that whole idea of feeling like you were performing.
And I imagine there's a lot of young athletes who would feel very similar to that.
Like, walking into any environment, like, I can't imagine walking into the Australian women's cricket team.
But walking into any professional or elite environment.
As a young athlete, you feel like you are completely on show with everything you are doing.
How did you go from being a performer who was quite fearful to someone who could get into the nets and actually feel comfortable?
Yeah, I think it just was down to being okay with failing.
Like, I was just so, I'd chastise myself.
Like, I'd be so hard on myself.
And a lot of, like, my teammates were like, oh, my God, like, chill.
And I'd just be so nervous.
I'd always have to, like, wear new gloves.
But, like, in my first couple of nets.
Because I wanted to, you know, like, if the head coach was bowling to me, I'd like, this was like a selection process, right?
But none of them were thinking that.
So, it's just like getting out of my own head and talking to my psych and going, you're actually so fine.
It's all in your head.
And just go ahead and enjoy it.
And I think it's probably taken just to mature a bit and realize that, yeah, it's so not about that.
It's okay to fail.
And it's, like, where you learn your most.
And actually, like, being happy.
Being happy to fail.
I think that's probably the biggest thing that I've learned.
And then you're comfortable.
And you can learn from that instead of, like, using it as a, oh, no, I failed today.
Like, that's really bad.
Like, what is everyone thinking?
It's probably like, yeah, yeah.
Fear of people's opinions.
That's, like, the biggest one I've had to get over.
It's a big one, isn't it?
Touching on that failure topic, do you have a favorite failure?
Oh, I think, I don't know.
I reckon it's probably.
It's, like, a blanketed.
It's, like, kind of a whole experience of, yeah, probably just, like, being so hard on
myself that actually is, like, worse for me.
Probably the self-sabotage, you know.
You know, I'd be out in the middle and thinking I'm going so poorly and get myself out.
And thinking about, like, I was talking to one of my mentors and she's, like, the biggest
threat to you is yourself.
Like, you're actually getting yourself out more often than other people.
You're getting yourself out.
So, that was probably the biggest thing.
Like, wait, am I answering that question right?
You can take it wherever you want to take it.
Like, just, like, probably the self-sabotage and that kind of thing was probably the biggest
failure that I've kind of had in my career that's probably turned and I'm going, okay,
you know, I need to actually work on this and have done some work on it, which is really
And being able to just accept, like, little, you know, I won't hit a ball cleanly out in
the middle, but two years ago I would have been, like, oh, no.
Yeah, like, I'm off here.
What's happening?
Or, like, I've faced two dot balls and teams would be, like, oh, she's, like, going to
get herself out here.
So, little things like that.
And it's always worse in your head.
But, yeah, probably those failures internally to, like, yeah, teach myself.
When you talk about wanting to break records and doing all those things, why do you want
What makes you want to do that?
And it's probably bad to, like, think of, like, the end result as a goal.
I don't think so.
I think it's great.
Just, like, I just love scoring runs.
Let's put it plainly.
Yeah, the feeling of, you know, scoring 100 for your country and contributing to the side
and knowing that you've done your job is, like, the best feeling that I have when I
So, to do that, yeah, over and over again, yeah, for my country is just the dream.
So, hopefully I can do that.
And hopefully that ends in some records, but we'll see.
What does it feel like when you get to knock 100 for your country?
I've only done it twice, but it's, like, the best feeling.
It's just so relieving because, like, batting's so hard.
Well, not hard, but just, like, success rate.
You fail so much more than you succeed.
And you can go on, you know, I've had patches where I haven't scored over 20 for, like,
you know, six or seven innings.
And you're going, God, where's my next record?
I'm going to run here.
And then you get all tense.
And you can, you know, each ball that comes down can have your name on it.
And you have to walk off and sit there and watch everyone else do it.
So, it's pretty brutal in that sense.
So, you know, when you get in and you get to that figure, you're, like, okay, great.
Like, you know, my hard work and my training, you know, it has paid off because sometimes
you feel a million bucks.
And, you know, I've gone to the Nets.
I'm, like, oh, my God, I'm on here, girls.
Like, you know, bring on tomorrow.
And then you get a nice little peach that's seeming away.
And you walk off and you're, like, great.
And it's just so brutal because, like, you literally only get one chance.
And that's probably one thing that I've had to learn and just adapt and kind of accept.
That's probably the biggest thing.
Like, accept that you're probably going to fail a lot.
But if you can control what you do before the match, after the match, and that sort
of stays consistent, then you've just got to accept it on the day.
But that was a really long answer.
You like watching, yeah, scoring a ton.
Who has had the biggest impact on you as a person?
Pretty hard to go past my dad.
Andy might get the shout out.
But equally, you know, the person I am, but probably the cricketer and the player and
He's pretty good.
Has there been a moment that changed the course of your life?
The day I picked up?
I think I picked up a cricket bat, probably.
To think where I am now and doing this for a job.
I've got some college mates that are very jealous that I don't have to work at Dan Murphy's
and, you know, sit there and nine to five in an office job.
So fortunate that, you know, was able to kind of pursue a career in sport and the way that
it's, you know, the way that sport is valued in Australia at the moment.
It's so cool to think that I could have done it for a job.
So, it's pretty cool.
I don't know when this ep's going to come out because we're technically still on a break,
but talk to us about the Ashes series because it's going to be epic.
No, I'm so pumped.
Really nervous because it's like probably the best two sides in the world at the moment.
And we've had some, you know, we went over last two years ago in the Ashes and we drew
it and it's kind of like both teams left going, oh, okay.
Like the next one, we're winning it.
So, and equally they're thinking the same.
So, I think it's going to be a really awesome contest and yeah, I'm really pumped.
Thank you so much for your time today.
It's been great fun having a chat.
Looking forward to watching the Ashes.
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