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And this is Straight Talk.
How do you know there's time to close?
Oh, my God, Mark, you're going to die.
Julia Morris, welcome to Straight Talk.
Thank you so much, Mark.
It's an absolute pleasure to be here.
You've lived a life undiagnosed, but now you're undiagnosed.
You've gone through a divorce.
You've done a million different things in your life.
Do you ever think to yourself,
Julia, I'm going to give yourself a pat on the back?
Since getting divorced, the greatest lesson I taught myself,
Trying to prove to everyone,
I'm decent, I'm a friend, I'm loyal, I'm all the good stuff.
Now, I feel like I say,
do you behave well enough to have access to me?
And if you don't, fucking beat it.
I'm sorry, computer denied.
I think the bad stuff's so easy to go,
oh, the bloody car's done this, and now the house,
and that stupid, oh, now the roof's rotted,
and whatever that is.
But it's remembering to notice the glimmers,
is what everybody's calling them.
Julia, I've got two words for you.
You're inspired, you're inspiring.
You're actually inspiring.
I thought you were going to say, you're fired.
Thrilled to be here.
Julia Morris, welcome to Straight Talk.
Thank you so much, Mark.
An absolute pleasure to be here,
and a big departure that I'm able to call you Mark,
now that we're not across the desk from each other instead of Mr Boris.
And you look great.
You look like you look younger.
Oh, mate, I'm some phoenix out of the flame shit.
I am some phoenix.
You've risen out of the flame.
Absolutely right.
I feel, I literally feel like I've pressed the reset button
and I'm about to start the next big stage of my life.
So you're just back from Africa.
Your show's now airing.
Yeah, so we go live to air.
So we're six weeks away from most of January
and a bit of February up in the Kruger National Park.
So it's all done and dusted for the year.
Like, so, I mean, you've got a new co-host.
Yes, Robert Irwin.
Mark, spectacular human.
I don't understand how he's such an accomplished human.
I know that might sound patronising to younger people
and I don't mean it to sound like that,
but it's not often I will cross paths with somebody who is so young
who feels about a lifetime more mature than I am.
Like, how's the dynamic work, though?
Because, like, I can't imagine me working with a 21-year-old girl
if it's the opposite sex.
Like, I don't know.
Mind you, I'm much older than you.
But, like, how does that work?
Like, how do the – who works out of those dynamics?
Like, the producer or –
Well, I auditioned with a number of people to see if they were going
to be possible for The Jungle.
And then when Robert came in, honestly, one of my early thoughts,
apart from him being amazing, one of my early thoughts is,
is this going to age me out of the format?
I've never seen, on this planet, a woman in her 50s side-by-side with a 21,
year-old man making, like, television work.
So, I mean, you know, I will be able to make television work with this stick.
So I already know that Robert has this incredible wealth of experience.
I know he's got a great sense of humour because I've met him a couple of times.
And he came in for the audition and all of a sudden nobody else existed.
And the age – I don't even think we ever speak about age.
Age just doesn't come into it.
I think he's a – he's an incredible –
He's an incredible man.
He's an incredible man.
He's an incredibly savvy, well-read young man.
And he would know – I feel like he would know how to wrestle a crock,
but he would also be able to tell you what each Michelin star is for.
He's kind of that guy.
Do you know what I mean?
Like he's always in mud and running around and doing that sort of stuff,
but he also would understand some of – I'm not sure the finer things in life
is the right way to say it.
But, yeah, he's a super fascinating human being.
I'm actually quite intrigued about how it's going to – how the interaction is going to work.
Because I remember when you were on The Celebrity Apprentice that when we had all, you know,
you guys lined up, boys and girls, and I said to the production people after the first episode,
she's going to win it.
And Nine said, oh, you can't say that now.
You can't – you're not allowed to do that.
And I said, well, I'm just telling you, she's going to win it.
That's you, Julie Morris.
And you just come back off –
A comedy tour, whatever you call it, in the US.
Yeah, I'm living in Los Angeles for a couple of years.
And you were a little underdone in terms – what I mean by that is I felt like at the beginning
you lacked a bit of confidence, but as the show grew, you certainly got your confidence.
Do you know why I came in early as well?
Because I was at that stage travelling back and forth to Los Angeles every five weeks,
come home, do some gigs, go back again.
And this was the first wage that had floated to the surface in a long, long time.
That felt like with every week that I last, I'll be able to pay another month in LA.
So my motivation, certainly when I arrived, was let's get two, three, four weeks of wages.
That's because we paid you, just so the audience knows.
So to stay in the show longer was the incentive to earn the wages.
The longer you stay in the show, you get paid per day.
So then – and certainly for that first week, I think in any reality show, there feels like
there's a lot of roostering that goes on in that first week.
I don't know if it's meant to show other people you're smart or whether it's to, you
know, make the competition feel a bit nervous.
So I was like, yeah, I think I'll let all the roosters just do their rooster thing.
And I'd worked out from early in the piece that if I was a great second in charge, that
whoever was leading the charge of each of those tasks would not blame me for anything
No decisions but support.
No throwing her under the bus.
That's keeping her under the bus.
Can I make a confession to you?
I also said and they also said to me too, we've got to keep her in because when the
show gets a bit dead, like – and it does.
Like she's always good for a gag.
So they knew that we can vox you and, you know, we get a little comment from you on
something when we have a flat spot.
And when we come to the edit, if we've got to – if it's editing sort of a bit flat
for that particular episode, we can bring – we've already got some material from Julia.
So get the old mole.
Well, just get the old mole and throw that in.
And it just – it lifts the tempo up a bit.
And what I didn't know is where the hell you got your energy from to be that way.
Like you – and you still are – immediately, you know, you're 57 years of age, but you're
still immediately bubbly.
Like it's a bubbly Julia all the time.
That's a good start.
But your eyes are lit up right now.
Oh, well, I've had some dexamphetamines.
So you're on the Dexys?
I'm four weeks in maybe.
So tell me about that.
Because we were talking about outside.
Both of my girls, we've been going through our various –
I've got two daughters, 16 and 18 years old.
And we've been going through our neurodiverse journey over the last, I mean, three years
maybe where we're like, things aren't working in our brains like we'd like them to.
I think at 50 – turning 57, I just thought –
I thought this is how my brain works and that's how it is.
Sometimes I'm not good at stuff.
Sometimes I'm good at stuff and you learn what works for you and you kind of do more
of that, I guess.
So last year with both of my girls diagnosed, I was like –
Did you – sorry, if I could just interrupt.
Did you think there was something – not wrong, but something different, diverse.
Therefore, you decided to get your daughters diagnosed first?
I think the girls wanted answers.
Both of them had been saying, I reckon since year seven, they're now in year –
Year 11 and just finished school, they've both been saying for a long time, I reckon
we've got ADHD, Mum.
And I was like – a few years ago, I'm like, oh, yeah, everyone's gone.
We've all got it.
It's very interesting.
And that obviously is not the right attitude.
And the more we kind of worked on it, then the girls were like, you know, you have looked
at yourself, haven't you?
And I'll be like, come on, I'm just –
They said it to you.
Yeah, I'm a weird anomaly.
I'm just like a, you know, I'm a kooky or whatever.
And then I thought, well, maybe – I think with menopause,
as well, with menopause, what happens is the brain, anything that you were able to mask
in the past and look capable and be together and finish the sentence and tra-la-la, all
of a sudden, all bets are off and the brain's like, I'm going to leave you to it.
So I was feeling like I was spiralling a little bit with like, you know, I'm urgent, I'm
tired, I'm – all of these different emotions within one day.
And as you say, Sparky in the mornings, and even though I joke about –
But you could turn it on, though, too.
But the dexamphetamines, which is a Vyvanse, and it's a slow rollout of eight hours, what
that does is it lets me focus on what I'm doing instead of what would normally be happening
for me and my brain.
I'd be like, oh, there's a silver thing over there.
That's going to make under my chin look better.
This light's going to be good.
I wonder if my glasses are reflecting.
I should have probably put some more lipstick on.
You know, that rain this morning ruined my hair.
Blah, blah, blah.
One of those cameras are on.
That's a nice camera.
I'm thinking about Canon at all times while talking to you.
So now all I'm doing is talking to you.
So I feel like it's cut away 15 radio stations to one.
Was it a relief to find it out?
Do you know, lots of people have been sort of, you know, a lot of talk about ADHD online
and they were saying, oh, it's just an excuse.
It's an excuse to behave badly or not to call back friends or to do whatever.
But for me, it has been an explanation.
I feel like it's given me an explanation.
So I'm not a bad person because I couldn't return that call.
I'm not, you know, I'm not a bad person because I can't keep up socially when my batteries
are out and so on.
And so, yeah, I think it's allowed me to kind of slow things down.
I don't want to be all urgent for this next part of my life.
I want to feel like I am, you know, a bit more chill to hang around and feeling chill
Just explain it to me, though, a little bit more because I found something you just said
quite interesting.
And I've often wondered this about people who have ADHD.
Do you sort of go a million miles an hour and then, as you said, the batteries sort
of run out and you just go.
Spat out the other end.
I think so, yeah.
You're not all that, you're not like that to the time you get into bed and you're still
like that when you're sleeping.
So you do sort of run out of juice.
Yeah, and it's all, see, I don't make many plans at night.
I don't make many plans at night.
At six o'clock, I would.
I'd rather start cutting than go out and be social.
I've got no interest.
That's out with all the drinkers, out with no judgment, no judgment, but, you know, and
I love a glass of wine, but I can't, I can't be out after dark just having people talk
Now or, has this always been the case?
Uh, I think I've always been a bit of a homebody actually.
I would much rather be at home and have a couple of pals over than partying anywhere.
So does that mean you're like, it sounds crazy for me.
You're going to ask the question, but a little bit introverted.
In a social sense.
Introverted extrovert, I think.
Like you, you're rather.
So I think that's the ADHD.
Wanting to be out and like, even when I'm at home, should have made a plan.
I've got this time.
I'd love to catch up with a friend.
I don't see anybody most of the time.
And then when it comes to the moment.
I don't want to do it.
Why do I have to go?
Why have I done this to myself?
But once you, once you're there, you flip, you flip back into, into code.
I do enjoy it, but I'm also counting when, when can I get out of here?
I'm cutting down time the whole time.
Maybe I, maybe I got it too, because like.
Get in the algorithm.
It's fascinating.
So, you know, the hyperactivity is not busy, busy drag queen.
The hyperactivity is all in your mind.
And so I, my mind feels like a bit of a Rolodex.
Da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
So that's the slowdown I needed.
But the other part of ADHD is before you realize that, you know, I'm not going to
describe it very well, because I'm still taking a little deep dive into it.
But what happens when you've, there's a lot of addiction issues with it, because you have
some self-regulating stuff.
So you have to be careful with booze.
You have to be careful if you, like a jazz cigarette.
Oh, I wouldn't mind being addicted to that.
But honestly, I had to shut up shop, Mark.
Oh, no, I think the roots have closed.
But like, how do you get to the point where you are going to, I don't, like kiss somebody?
I don't understand.
So I just, I think that.
It might be over for me, that section.
But what about, what about addiction to your work?
So if you look back when you're, you know, when you were 10, 15 years ago, do you think
you were addicted to your work as well?
I think that I thought I didn't have, okay, let me put it this way, even though I know
it's going to sound wrong.
I didn't have much brains, but I knew I could work hard.
So now I realized I think I might have been confused about my brain.
Because of the way the ADHD rolls.
And now that I've started to harness it a little bit and understand it.
And also the interesting thing about having the diagnosis is I can start to plan a day
or a week or a month or a trip, knowing that these are some of my shortfalls or some of
my little idiosyncrasies.
So now I know to build in the rest time, I'm going to need a little processing.
So if I'm on a big trip, we're heading on to Tokyo with my youngest.
So I built in like a little half morning, half afternoon where we really just stop and
scroll or do whatever it is to let the brain reset itself.
So definitely get that diagnosed.
My diagnosis has helped me run days a little bit better.
Otherwise I'm up early and I'm going to smash myself until I'm still doing chores by the
time I get into bed.
So just given that, what you're saying is I'm sort of thinking along with you.
Does that mean that because you're so hyper-focused on many, many things,
that your peripheral vision relative to other things going on in your life might be to some
extent reduced and as a result of that, you might be open to being manipulated?
Easy to manipulate because I see the good in people, I think.
I think I'm easy to manipulate because I should put this in the past tense.
I feel like in the last three or four years, I've been doing some pretty extensive work
on myself with thinking about trying to recognize if someone's being rude to my face.
Because sometimes if someone's rude to my face, what I will do is think, oh no, they're
going to be so embarrassed when they realize how mean they've been.
They're going to be embarrassed about that.
So I'm going to let them off the hook so that I don't feel embarrassed about that later.
While they're being rude to my face, instead of being like, hey, you know what?
I'm all like, oh no, no.
It wouldn't matter, you know.
So that people pleasing.
Was that you before?
That's people pleasing all along.
That's a big part of ADHD as well.
The people pleasing and the compliance.
I'd much rather do that than be in trouble.
I don't want to be in trouble.
But because the reason I say that, because I remember I just said to you that, and I'm
going to apologize in advance for doing it, but I just said to you, we always knew that
we could keep Julia in the show, even though you were the best in the show.
In my view, you should have.
But we also kept you in there for convenience sake because I knew from what, because I used
to see all the boxes from the day before.
So they show me the stuff in the, you know, before we get in there, I get in early and
we look through the previous day and I'd see Julia in there just so good for us, like giving
us, helping us with those blind spots with energy because everyone gets pretty stuffed,
you know, like, and you always give us a good, you know, 30 seconds.
And to some extent I thought, well, let's use it.
To fill the show gaps up.
I was saying that.
And it gives it that nice little comedy moment at the end, even if it's been something stressful
or, of course, the more stressed you get through a shoot like that, the more tired you get
through a shoot like that.
Which one we wanted.
That's when you implode, right?
We want everyone to get tired because we want them to break down and give us tears and all
And also like, oh yeah.
Or make mistakes.
And to some extent, I was a bit guilty of this.
Because I didn't realize she had ADHD, but back then I didn't even know what it was,
but I just thought, well, she's going to give us the fillings all the time.
So let's just keep her on.
Let's keep her on.
But what I'm probably going to lead to then is, does that mean that in your life other
people have manipulated you or taken advantage of your condition?
Particularly not knowing you have a condition.
So I think getting older is also one of those transitional periods through to,
like, I'm not going to do that anymore.
I don't need to go out to that tonight.
Oh, gosh, I'm going to hurt their feelings if I don't do such and such.
I'm just not going to do it.
So I'll be honest with them.
That's a good one.
Because like preservation of yourself, preservation, particularly your time, do you find, if you
reflect on your life, would you conclude that over your life, there are so many things you
said yes to, which you said, no, fuck off.
I'm just going to keep that time to myself.
I don't need to go to that.
So is that a thing?
Has that been a thing?
I'm not a great one for going to things anyway.
I think I am on the day.
But if it's business-wise, let's say it's a-
If it's, you've got to go.
You know, it's a red carpet, whatever.
Like even, so the Logies last year, I'd not long got my diagnosis for ADHD, but I couldn't
get in to see a psychiatrist for nearly four and a half months.
So you can't get your medication.
I knew that I was going to have a medication option.
I only wanted to check it to see if it made me less volatile, to see if it made me less
reactionary, to see if it just made my life feel slightly less like I'm going to chuck
You know, that anxiety.
And that intense.
And I rang the GP and I'm like, I'm going to kill someone on that carpet on Sunday.
I'm going to lose my career on Sunday.
Is there anything, anything we can do?
Because I'm going to rip someone's fucking face off.
Like, are they going to ask me a stupid question or what?
Like, I'm in no mood.
And so she started me on HRT that afternoon on the hormone replacement therapy.
And that definitely gave me a little, a little bit more of a breathe calm until I could get
But there's definitely a big gap.
There's definitely a big gap in the way we roll out our medical system, certainly for
And it's correct, I guess, because you don't want everyone just chucking out the meds everywhere.
But waiting four and a half months when I knew that there was something.
Four and a half months to see a psych.
To see a psych before they then sent me for a series of heart tests before I'm then allowed
to have the medication.
Because they know when you have a heart attack on the Dexys.
I mean, honestly, I wouldn't have minded at that point.
I needed such relief.
But there it goes.
So, yeah, over that time, when you're in no mood and you've got to go, I don't even
I think I just had to breathe it out and go old school with how I'd learnt to manage myself
So just on learning to manage yourself, like when you were growing up, did you have a
discussion with your parents?
Did I have, like with my parents?
No, there wasn't that.
My parents both worked like two jobs.
There was love in our home, but no one talked about feelings like they did these days or
the way their, you know, brains are operating.
So, yeah, this, that wasn't in our home like that, I don't think.
That was like, do your homework, do what you need to do, get to bed, start again, work
Was Julia Morris, as a kid, was she a studious kid or a compliant kid?
Always compliant, didn't want to get in trouble.
So I wasn't a sneak out of the house kind of kid.
I was trying to make my parents laugh, you know, loved family life, loved being at home
again, but I think I needed that stillness of home.
So, but as a kid, I don't know, I mean.
Were you always funny though?
My parents tell amazing stories of how I was a handful.
But now I look back, Mark, it's ADHD.
So of all of those things that I would have like beaten myself on, I'm full on, not, I'm
an acquired taste, all of these expressions that have been put on me from other people
in the past, I'm now like, that's not actually the truth.
What they know is the old Rolodex brain me.
I feel like new me feels a bit more calm and yeah, and can see a thought all the way through
to the end of the sentence.
So some of those things of childhood where you're bagged, like, you know, you could never
clean your room or you could never do this, or you can only do this.
You can never finish cleaning your room.
You know, I'd sit in paralysis for hours and then I get the, you know, like, why can't
you do, it's going to take you five minutes to do it or two hours to sit here.
But I'll be like, I don't, I don't know why, but I'm just, I can't, I can't do it.
Clean the bottom of my wardrobe, for example.
Like it seems so straightforward when I'm saying it in the sentence.
I'd be there for like eight hours in my bedroom, pottering and doing other things rather than
doing that chore.
I mean, ADHD in a nutshell.
So you weren't sort of putting things off.
You just got distracted.
You just got distracted at all times.
And a great, I actually, a tremendous procrastinator.
Well, is it procrastinating in that you, you don't, you put off because you don't want
to do it or you, or you just got distracted and I'll come back to it.
Well, the brain just can't do it.
It just refuses to do it.
Like even getting ready this morning.
I'm like, right, it's raining today.
I need to blow dry the hair.
Give yourself a good one hour, 20 minutes before I need to be here.
I'm blow drying going, fuck, fuck, fuck.
The time paralysis.
It is real as well.
The time, you know, all of a sudden you're late and I don't, I feel like I'm a person
who's more applied than a person who's late.
So how do you, in being a comedian then, I don't know how it works, but do you, do you
write your material?
Like do you sit down and say, oh, you're going to do a show, you know.
I'm not great on homework.
So, or how would you just freestyle?
We'll say if I'm doing a big tour, I'll gather stories.
Let's say stand up.
With stand up comedy, I would gather stories through the year, getting ready for the next
But, but I don't, yeah, I can't really sit down and write.
I don't feel like I have that directional brain, but I could, I would have no issue
with standing on the stage.
If you sent me now, I was going to a gig for 20 minutes and stuff will come.
Most people would be terrified of that.
So, no, they would, like they'd have to sit down for hours and write it all out and then
rehearse and rehearse and rehearse.
Lots of comics do as well.
You've got to kind of, I feel like you've got the people who really work on it and then
the people who's just inside them and they don't.
Because I mean, everything.
I find everything, I probably should take it a bit more seriously, but I find nearly
everything you say funny.
Because, you know, after the show we did with you, we decided that from now on every show
we've got to have a comedian in the show because they're going to give us those moments.
So we put Vince Renty in the year after.
Narration is a really important part of reality TV where somebody is helping you give the
through line of the story.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So comics will often do that because they're so, such high.
So like, for example, my agent has done a couple of little classes on how to deal with ADHD,
children, because she has found a significant number of people in the comedy industry have
And she's now found that if there's little tricks that she can do to keep some of her
artists on track, then that's what she'll do.
So if something's due tomorrow, yesterday she'll send me a thing saying, can you just
fill out those answers because you've got tomorrow and then it's due the next day.
So a couple of those little signposts when you have ADHD employees or, you know, clients.
But she also said, you know,
you might arrive late, but you're going to work through lunch and you'll work into the
So an ADHD employee while appearing late to the system, you know, will give you so much
more when they're working and interested because, you know, the timings are tricky.
But once you are focused on the work, you're going to get the best there is.
But not every comedian is like that because I remember one year we asked Vince Serenti
to be the comedian.
He was the only person in the show to give us those fillers.
And Vince is not like that.
He's not like you.
Vince is very conservative, very fairly quiet.
I think it's the two sides of the comic.
He has some stage he performs.
But he's very, I don't know.
He's sort of a bit more methodical.
Yeah, more methodical.
He's a beautiful, I love Vince.
Yeah, I love him.
But also I think it's what we see it in the job.
Jungle when comedians come in as well is that you are through the experience,
certainly of The Apprentice, where you are trying to show,
I think I've got intelligence.
I'm trying to sell it to these other roosters.
I can do the task.
All I need to do is just show that.
So apart from that urgency, certainly in a comedian's mind is,
I don't look very funny.
I'm going to ruin this for later.
This won't give me ticket sales.
People are just going to say I'm a bitch.
So, yeah, for comedians in reality programs,
if they've dealt with a few of their demons, I find,
then they're spectacular because then they can take those observations
and, you know, as opposed to everything, how dare you do that
and get, you know, emotionally invested in every single moment.
If it's possible to be able to be the observer, I mean,
I think the narrator is the winning role pretty much
through every reality series.
So the dexamphetamine, maybe you could just explain to the audience
It's a version of what we would commonly know as speed.
It's kind of speed, right?
Remember the Siebel?
No, do you remember the Siebel back in the day?
Look, so it is a dexamphetamine.
So me, this time last year, I would have thought drugs,
those sort of drugs are not for me.
I've never been into coke.
I've never been in to pump up your volumes.
I've just, but now I know it's because of ADHD.
You didn't need it.
Wouldn't have done anything for me.
You didn't need it.
Would have been like, oh, yeah, that sounds good.
Does anyone want a biscuit?
And I, yeah, when I went to do all the research of what you can do,
there's a shorter acting tablet that feels much more.
Whereas the dexamphetamines, they do roll out over eight hours,
so they're not a big heartbeat nightmare,
but it definitely makes me feel much more motivated.
And instead of me battling myself, for example, doorbell goes off,
I know something's been delivered.
I'll go down and get that.
I must go down and get that.
Have I gone down to get that?
I think I get that.
With the dexamphetamines, just pop down the stairs and get it.
That's a huge difference, though.
The difference, Mark, is out of this world.
It sounds simple, but it's a huge difference.
And I definitely, you know, I felt over the last couple of years,
this is how I am, say.
I've learned a way to deal with it.
But when age comes in and menopause comes in,
I think that's when all of a sudden you don't have the ability
to mask it as well, and that's when you need some help.
But recognising when you need that help, I tell you what,
being alone in my house, not my children,
but being without a partner has really allowed me to self-regulate.
It's really allowed me to just go, what are my good points?
What are my bad points?
How do I just be happier?
I don't know, even 10% happier.
Let's just talk about it because I think that's, I mean,
it's the elephant in the room for me anyway.
I mean, we can sit and talk about your comedy and stuff like that,
but I want to talk about some other stuff.
I want to talk about some other stuff with you, if you don't mind.
You're now, you're on your own, let's call it.
By the way, I should ask you, do you have anybody else?
No, my girl said, Mum, you're going to go after girls.
I said, listen, it's not for me, but I'm sure it's lovely.
But, yeah, I think when you get divorced and, well,
I cut my hair off as well.
I cut my hair off.
You do this groovy short hair.
Yeah, like super short hairdos.
Oh, this is hilarious.
And then, yeah, everyone was like, oh, she's going to come out
and announce soon.
I'm like, no, no.
Announce that you're speaking.
Announce that I've decided to, yes, be with ladies.
Yeah, no, it's not for me.
So you don't have a partner, so to speak?
I don't see it happening, Mark.
I think 20 years of being, I mean, you know,
scorched into the earth, to be honest.
So is it because you feel as though,
it's not worth it as bruised?
I think, yeah, why don't I?
Or still bruised, perhaps.
I'm just trying to think of exactly what the wording is.
I think that I'm having a better life by myself.
Yeah, that's cool.
And I think that in terms of love, like,
I mean, in terms of rolling around, whatever,
like I think I might have had all my roots.
So if I have, great, if I haven't, whatever, right?
Then companionship, I...
I'm kind of, I'm kind of got companionship in my own head.
But that's good, though.
That means you're independent.
That means I'm not at home lonely.
Why doesn't a guy like me?
Yeah, yeah, that's all bullshit.
No, but now I also, since getting divorced,
the greatest lesson I taught myself, I think,
is now I think in terms of, instead of trying to prove to everyone,
I'm decent, I'm a friend, I'm loyal, I'm all the good stuff,
and I'm constantly on this broadcast when I'm,
I'm around friends that I like where I'm like,
I did this amazing thing and I'm this and I'm that.
Now, after the divorce, I feel like I say,
do you behave well enough to have access to me?
And if you don't, fucking beat it.
It's as simple as that.
So all of those behaviours, my children included,
are you behaving well enough to have access to me?
And if you're not behaving well enough, then I'm sorry, computer denied.
Do you actually say to them or that's just a call?
With the children, I do.
I mean, that's rare.
My kids, we're a pretty good party of three.
I don't have those teenagers.
I just have the, like, I just want to do better
and just get through tomorrow, Mum.
I've got those teenagers.
You're a blessing in that.
We've worked hard on it, all three of us.
That was a weird transition becoming,
going from a family of four to a party of three.
That was unusual in that it was just us girls.
And certainly the girls, when...
the divorce first went down,
I don't think they had a lot of trust in me.
Is that because Dan was sort of running the show?
Well, Dan was a house husband, so...
Well, he was a chef originally.
Well, what was he originally?
He was in advertising.
For some reason, I thought he was a chef.
I mean, I'm going back 10 years, 12 years,
maybe because you probably told me he does all the cooking or something,
but you were out at the front,
making the quid and, you know...
Like lots of homes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that have a partner at home and a partner that's out and about.
But the interesting thing about the partner that's flogging it at work,
even though the person at home is working very hard,
when the person comes home from work,
you kind of walk through the door and you're,
here we go, the next massive job starts,
which is being part of this family.
I felt like there was never any respite in the...
Certainly towards the end of my marriage,
I felt like Weekend at Bernie's,
where I would just be wheeled out for another gig like I'd died, you know,
and no one had noticed I'd died.
And in terms of management, did Dan manage you or like...
I mean, what does that manage you with?
I mean, on every level, yes, but no.
No, I've got a fantastic, fantastic agent manager I've been with for years.
But Dan was happy for you to go and do the gigs.
He would certainly...
A gig after, he never said,
hey, Julie, can you just stop here and let's like work on a relationship or...
Hang out together.
Or are you doing too much?
I think we did all of that.
But I think there's a cycle to it.
I think there's like a happy cycle, gets a bit tricky.
It's getting tense, ends up in an event of argument, whatever.
And then I'd be like, well, if you don't like it, there's the door.
Apparently not the right thing to say.
And then we get back to the honeymoon period again,
where I'd be like, oh, my God, thank God I got my husband back.
So that continuous pattern...
In the end, I literally just said to him, you know,
you're not enjoying it, I'm not enjoying it.
What are we doing?
This seems like a massive waste of our lives.
Yeah, I don't think he liked me and I'm not particularly fond of you.
I think it had got to that point.
But did you have that conversation?
Yeah, no, we absolutely had that conversation.
Yeah, I remember the morning of just going, can you come and have a chat?
This is bullshit.
I'm not living like this.
I've been dreading going out.
But what sparks that off though?
I mean, that sort of come to Jesus moment.
What's the last straw?
I mean, how do you know there's time to close?
Oh, my God, Mark, you're going to die.
The last straw was when I saw you.
We've done a podcast together, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that day I'd spoken a lot about, you know, if my marriage ever breaks up,
I reckon it'll be my fault.
I was still in that weird headspace, right, the people-pleasing.
And that weekend, so I think we were together on the Friday.
On the Saturday we flew home and, I don't know,
he said something in the car like,
the girl said you were a real punish over the weekend or something like that.
And I was like, I was seething.
By the way, I was not equal at all contributor,
but I was contributor to the nervous anxiety.
In our house because I would be stressed trying to make everything work
and make everything perfect, you know.
And please everyone.
Yeah, absolutely, while pleasing no one.
And so that, as we got home, I went to a hotel.
I dropped the family off.
I was driving because my car was at the airport.
I dropped the family home at the house and I'm just like, fine.
Because he had said something like the girl said you were a punish
over the weekend or something like that and I was so hurt that the girls
would speak to him about me.
And then I kind of like, this is, do you know what?
You can all get fucked and went to a hotel.
And then when I checked into the hotel, the person at the hotel said to me,
lots of footballers come here when they leave their wives while I'm
at the front desk.
I was like, what?
And then that night I'm like, if I'm staying in a hotel in Melbourne,
away from my private home, something is desperately wrong here
and instead of continuing to talk about it,
I need to go and do something about it.
And I slept, woke up the next morning, went home,
and was just like, this is it.
Let's start to untangle the web.
And can you share with me the process of that?
Like how does that work, untangling the web?
Because this is something you've been working on,
this web you've been weaving for 20 years.
Living the, by the way, it's not just the web,
it's not just all the finances and the structures and who owns the house
and blah, blah, blah, but it's the relationships, you know,
and there's the person who Julia is relative to her kids,
To her family, to outside of the, to your fans, to everybody else.
Julie Moore is married to Dan.
It sounds simple, but it's quite complex.
What's the unweaving part look like?
The unweaving part is hard for.
You're getting dexamphetamines too, by the way.
Oh, my God, yes, sir.
That might have been mental for you.
I reckon I was like, you know, we're like Ursula C,
which conjures up the sea, is how I felt inside my, I was exploding.
And we, it was actually very, very amicable those first few months
because I was kind of like, you know what, he, he can't work
and I'll build again and, I mean, there's nothing like a,
well, at the time, 54-year-old woman in Australian television
building again, seems like so many opportunities now, right?
We did something called collaborative divorce,
which is where it's essentially four meetings and of those meetings,
the outcome is absolute and over those four meetings,
you, you kind of split the assets, the time with the children,
the whatever, however you're going to roll.
And it was 30 grand a head.
And I was more interested in that.
What do you mean 30 grand a head?
As in he paid 30 grand, I paid 30 grand.
That was our divorce.
To the people doing the mediation.
Yeah, to the, to the lawyers.
So from there, yeah.
So four days of negotiation, sort of four periods of negotiation.
And all, a lot of that sort of done backstage beforehand,
where you'd be like, okay, well, the children are going to do week on week off
or, or however that rolls, all that paperwork.
And once it's filed, there is no coming back because I was just thinking
if my earnings did all of a sudden take a super positive trajectory,
I didn't want anybody coming back for that.
So they're called consent orders usually.
You, you, you, you both consent to the order that the court's going to give
because you've already made the deal.
As opposed to the court making the deal for you.
Hundred, hundred, hundred, yes.
So how'd you end up?
Did you do any good out of it?
I mean, did you, was it a fair split?
Well, interestingly, I mean, I wouldn't use the word 75% of the assets
is what I did not end up with.
But let's use it like between 73% and 75% of the assets I did not end up with.
So that was, that's been quite a thorn in my side for a while, isn't it?
If you've got a partner that doesn't work, they can't rebuild or work
or I don't know, that's apparently what they can't do
Well, the current family law, which by the way was a consequence
of Lionel Murphy who, you know, ex-Labor Party guy who, and a judge,
who I think in the mid-70s did change the Matrimonial Causes Act
to the Family Law Act.
And he, the result of that was to allow the spouse
or the non-working party to the relationship to get more
than the other party because the other party had the ability
to make more money.
It does sound fair.
It sort of sounds fair.
It does sound fair.
And totally, if you've put your heart and soul into the home
and making sure the children are there and that the person
who's working can work, totally fair.
But when you're on the 25% after a lifetime of working
and you're just like.
It doesn't seem fair.
He's already working.
Didn't work for 20 years.
Oh, people pleasing.
So, because I asked you right at the beginning,
do you feel as though your personal condition, like, you know,
ADHD and all its things that hang around it,
do you feel as though that you might have been,
the word not manipulated.
Taken for a ride.
I think that I'm easy to manipulate in that way for sure.
I think that's why I've also turned off any sort of possibility
of having a partner.
Because I'm not actually convinced I couldn't be manipulated now.
Well, you might not even know you're being manipulated.
I mean, it might not be a positive move to manipulate you,
but it's just an instinct.
Here's an opportunity.
I can just take advantage of this situation.
It's a bit like the way I was in The Apprentice.
I didn't sort of eat in a sinister way trying to take advantage of Julia Morris,
but I knew there was something there, an advantage for the show.
So I just said, well, let's just, you know, whenever we've got a dead spot,
go and see Julia Morris.
Get a comment from her.
Well, also, super busy people are easy to manipulate
because they're not really noticing any consistency of weirdness.
So if you're super busy, capable, whatever,
you don't actually even need as much emotional feeding in a relationship.
You're not reliant.
It's absolutely self-sourcing at all times.
Self-sourcing actually is a very good word, a very good description.
You're low maintenance.
Totally low maintenance.
Oh, yeah, the heavy maintenance, I take care of myself.
So, you know, filling my car with petrol, any of the heavy, like, you know,
that sort of maintenance I can take care of.
What I think I need in a partner is to walk side by side in life,
not to constantly feel like I'm in trouble or haven't got enough work.
You know, I just feel like for most of my married life I just kept hearing,
we're running out of money, we don't have any money.
That's all I ever heard.
I'll just be walking, working, working, working, working, working.
And now that I'm in charge,
oh, well, I'll take what I need.
So the rebuild, it's now?
Did it start immediately?
So I worked out, I think, in my own mind that I wanted our house.
It was not paid off.
I think there was like $100,000 paid off the house, something like that,
which is no small feat because I just thought I don't want to move.
I like the idea that this is the house we've purchased
that my children feel like is their home.
I don't know at the time what, 54?
If I would get another loan as a single woman for a house,
like what's my lifespan, you know, am I going to make the end of the loan?
We should have just explained, Julie, because that's important.
You're saying at 54, if I've got a 30-year loan,
for argument's sake, if I've got a new loan, it'd be a 30-year loan,
which means I'll be 84 by the time it's paid off.
Will I be able to pay it off because I might not be able to work from 70?
What about if tomorrow I'll get a punch in the throat
because I'm such a smart arse and then I can't work?
So, yeah, all this...
And, you know, it shouldn't exist, but, you know, I'm...
Punch in the throat.
What is wrong with that?
Oh, you're a woman, single woman.
Like maybe I'm not, I'm going to get discriminated against.
So at least, it's probably not the case,
but your age will sort of by definition discriminate against you
because the lender has to make sure that you can pay them back.
That's how the lender works.
So, you know, you're thinking,
well, and that's massively confronting
and you probably have to borrow more money against the house to pay him out.
And also the advice was pay it all.
Pay the maintenance, pay the rent, pay the whatever, just pay it.
Pay it in a big chunk.
Instead of this weekly tearing away at you for however many years that lasts.
So even though it was lots of...
Big payments up front and I was just like, oh my God, I've got very little, but I don't.
I've got me, the original learner.
So I'm like, okay, let's turn up the corporates.
Let's turn up the this, let's turn up the that.
How can I work more efficiently to earn more money with less hours being put in?
Because the other thing is I'm a single mum of teenage women.
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I don't have to be, but I like being on a hot standby for the children,
for whatever they need, whenever they need it, if I can.
It's been unreal.
Not spoil-y, spoil-y, but here's someone you can, you know,
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So over that three years, that's restricted me a lot more with, say,
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The guy in the relationship is in charge of all the bank accounts,
all the credit cards, maybe paying the bills,
and your focus is, in your case, just to earn the quid.
So how do you rearrange all that shit?
Plus, I thought I was winning, Mark.
I thought I was winning because I never had to do any financial admin.
To me, and certainly my brain, maths.
That's the one thing that makes me feel dumb is maths.
So the thought of then...
All I really knew, and I know this sounds ridiculous, is how to tap.
I knew a little bit more.
Oh, tap the card.
Tap the card, pay for things.
If there was anything that was a big-ticket item over $100, whatever,
I would ask for permission, which is...
Very funny looking back.
I would never not get permission.
Permission to spend your money?
No, I can hear it out loud.
Like, what do you do?
But I also think you...
Was that you years of being a payer?
You mix and match over many years, don't you, where you're like,
okay, well, I don't want to be the one to spend the month's money,
so I'll ask, have we got that money in the account this week?
Can I do that this week?
So that's the sort of permission that I sought.
I wouldn't use the words, like, financial coercive control.
I don't think that was necessarily...
Well, part of it was your own willingness to go down that route.
And so, therefore, was I manipulated not to listen to it?
Like, I'm trying to still work all that out in my mind,
but to then have to take over the whole thing, which seemed so impossible.
That would be daunting.
Luckily, I did have a fantastic divorce lawyer who then put me in touch.
I was with the Commonwealth Bank at the time and still am.
And CommBank put somebody with me who then said...
CommBank listened to this?
They said, how good is this?
I mean, I think this might have been one person's initiative.
I don't know if this is what the bank do, but this is what this...
No, CommBank's pretty good with this stuff.
So this woman came to the lawyer's office.
Yeah, the bank woman.
She put all of the apps, which I know to a lot of people sound like I'm a moron,
and I can put an app on my phone, but it's like the...
You know, and the number doesn't work, and then the number doesn't...
So she just came quietly and put all of my banking on all of my devices,
Showed me how it looks, showed me how to use it, showed me all of that,
and then they looked into maybe changing my mortgage at the time,
which they then helped me with.
So they definitely took a woman who didn't know...
I'm trying to drag out, like, year 12 maths or, you know,
maths in society for me.
So, yeah, having to learn from the beginning,
everything felt urgent for the first 12 months.
Everything felt like, oh,
oh, my God, oh, my God, the money's going to go.
That's going to go.
Don't let that bank account...
I need half of that.
That's a bank account we had, and that sign's off.
I won't get that money, and that money will go.
And all of this over-egged stress to try and work out how do you pay the mortgage?
Like, how do you do a budget?
I kind of remember, but I haven't had to do that in a long time.
So to start again, oh, my God, it took a few tears,
took a bit of application, and it took a lot of help from...
a pretty strong team of women around me who were like,
that's all right, let's help you with this.
Let's get you across this now.
It seemed like I had to go and get a car.
So the lawyer sent her dad with me.
Oh, my God, it was the best.
Because my dad had not long gone to his God.
So, you know, it's funny when you ask for help from the people that you trust.
There's certainly a lot of help around if you can wrap your brain around
not feeling embarrassed about not knowing about that stuff.
I think that's a big hurdle as well.
It's like I'm so...
What sort of stupid person doesn't know about their banking?
But I hope they speak to loads and loads of people about the dual bank accounts
and how difficult they are then to separate.
You know, you definitely need your own little bank account just to have some
things where you don't have to...
doesn't have to be shown what you've got.
You want a little pair of shoes that you don't want to have to say anything?
I don't even know what I'm talking about.
But I think, yeah, I think dual bank accounts are...
But I don't think they should be set up in the first place.
Or like the one you both pay into maybe to go, here's our rent,
here's the electrics, here's the da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Just for the cost.
Certainly not all wages going into...
I mean, what my wage is going into a dual account that I actually,
when the world turned and we separated, I did not have access to.
Not only was I not number one on the thing, on the shit list,
I couldn't get into it.
I'm having to ring the bank just going, like, are we even...
Are we even joking here?
Like, I'm earning the money.
I know I'm not the number one bank holder, but why can I not get a...
Well, what happened?
Did they say, well, you better come in and become a signatory or...?
I was still number two.
Still number two.
I think I might have been Westpac, actually.
Anyway, so, yeah, I had to just...
I had to accept some things that I wasn't going to be able to get back
and I had to just put some new financial things in place
and learn it from the ground up.
So I'm like, whatever has transpired,
before this moment has done whatever it's going to do,
do you know what I mean?
Whatever's we spent or wasted or whatever, great.
Now moving forward, what do I do?
Because all of a sudden I had this, you know,
I took a loan out for the house and I've been, you know,
all those interest rates.
Oh, my God, Mark, what about me?
It's like it doubled.
It doubled what I was paying.
It was everything at once.
So talk about a baptism by financial fire,
but now I'm definitely...
I'm at a place where I am definitely starting to rebuild
my retirement future, which is something that you had said
to all of us in Series 1 of The Apprentice,
where you're like, the storm is coming,
you need to work out how on earth you're going to feed yourself.
I remember saying to all of you that you will need a million dollars
on the day you retire.
I know, it's been in my mind.
I literally had a discussion about it yesterday.
Outside of your house.
And then that million will give you the wage to live.
Based on what interest rates.
So were or are, based on what returns you get from a million dollars invested,
like if you buy shares in the CBA, that's the amount of money
that you're going to have to live off.
But that was a minimum, a million dollars.
So how do you manage that stuff now?
Now I've been like a mate.
I sort of got myself in a position where I do,
like when the tax returns come in, I've had to do a tax slow rollout
to pay that because at the same time there was another year
that I couldn't get all the access to some of the files
So that went in late and that needed its own payout.
Then everything, you know, the big payout of the divorce.
So I kind of had to start myself on a pay it out gentle track and I've.
Like installments.
And I had a meeting yesterday with the accountant who I'm in okay form.
I may retire with a biscuit or two biscuits.
So this is exciting.
But I've also, I think the house, from when I bought the house,
to now the house has more than doubled in value,
but the mortgage is still the original mortgage.
So it'll all be paid off in the universe whenever that moment happens.
I know like my house will be covered when that time comes,
if that's to retirement and downsize or whatever that is.
So I feel like that little nest egg's doing its thing.
But I mean, no nest egg, just trying to save and,
yeah, trying to invest in our future so we have one.
So when you wake up in the morning and you say,
you know, I've got everything, all the structures are all set up now.
I've got access, you know, CBA's looked after me.
I can access the apps.
I can see how much is in the account.
I can see what I spent the money on.
I've got a good accountant accounts, making sure I get up to date with my tax returns.
I'm slowly but surely doing all my installments with the ATL,
making sure I'm in good shape.
I've got a better sense of what I'm doing in my financial life.
And I understand it much better than now.
But it all, a lot of it's dependent upon Julia being able to continue to work.
What, I mean, you've nailed the show, but do you ever sort of think to yourself,
shit, like, what about if they say, you know, Julia, you're too old or the audience is over you?
Every year I think, are we going to get another jungle?
Because the jungle essentially looks after my year and then everything else I do then
Put the other stuff in place.
So the jungle is your, you know, your, let's call it your cash flow, your mortgage payments
and kids' school fees and food on the table.
That's my mum's pay for.
So that's covered.
But, and the other stuff's extras.
And, you know, you might be able to put a bit of money towards your retirement, holiday
and all that sort of stuff.
But it all is underpinned by the jungle.
So do you, I mean, because I used to do this when we were on the show and I didn't need
to, but I used to, I used to obsess over the ratings.
I used to say, shit, you know, I always look at how many people watched, you know, I'd
be, you know, the show be on tonight and I'd be looking at two nights down the track.
I'd be saying, well, you know, how many people watched it?
How is that relative to other shows that were on the same time slot as me?
Which, what did that episode do well?
Why did that episode do well?
I mean, in the end it's just stopped doing it, but.
We can go to the minute by minutes practically.
Where you look at every single minute of the show.
I have no business with the ratings because I do find, and like with comments on socials
and all of that sort of stuff.
I put myself in my own bubble when I'm in the jungle and I don't, because if someone's
like, this chick's a, this chick's an idiot and like not funny and fucked and old and
whatever, then by the time I get onto camera tomorrow, I'm kind of like, oh yeah, this
fucking chick's all watching me roll over the desk or like, you know, whatever.
I don't want to, I don't want to be, is it the tail wagging the dog?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So ratings, everyone's like our first opening night, everyone was super excited.
Well, here's the ratings.
I'm like, I don't want to know.
I can't know because I don't want to be confident that it's gone.
Let's just see where we are by the end of the show before I show my super excitement
about ratings, because I think there's enough to stay in a comedy headspace.
It's quite a difficult space to maintain from arriving at work at 4.30 in the morning until
the show is spat out by 4.30 in the afternoon.
That's having done a live show in the middle.
How many, how many, how many shows, how many episodes do you guys do?
Five nights a week.
So you'll be recording whilst it's on TV?
Because what we do is we never get everything done, it's in the can, that's it.
So you get what the celebrities are doing within the jungle, that's in the can because
you have to sort of pull together a story of whatever they've been talking about.
But when you see Robert and I, we are live.
So it's 10.30 in the morning in South Africa and that's when you really have to be on your
Hello, happy Christmas, Vyvanse, because you do not want to swear, you don't want to be
like an accident.
Whatever, I like, but, you know, using the wrong word or using the, plus the forever
changing landscape of, you know, jokes that might've felt like a joke aren't very funny
to someone else anymore.
You know, keeping all of that in your mind.
Your life's tough.
So the live to air is very intense, but certainly having that job done and dusted is amazing.
But income streams are the only secret to television.
There's not one, even though we talk about the jungle being that thing.
That one wage that helps.
I'm literally in the middle of starting to rebuild other parts of the business because
I think if the television falls over for me, then what the fuck do we do now?
So I want to have more corporates up and running by then.
I want to be able to duck in as a guest to different things.
Tell me about the corporate thing.
So, for example, let's say it's CBA.
Let's say CBA has got its annual, I don't know, awards night, whatever, which I guess
they do have these things.
So what you do, well, you do a, but are you doing a comedy act or what are you talking
I don't like stand up at corporate events because I figure you've got so many different
tastes in the room, you are going to offend someone for sure.
So corporate comedy is not my favorite at all, but I love hosting those award nights.
So you're the host.
Oh, it's so easy for me.
It's probably fun too.
With a base of formality.
With a base of formality, it's crazy.
So I like that, that I definitely am quite a sensible woman probably deep down, but I'm
like, oh, you know, get down on it and giggling with the CEO and mucking around so that people
have this lovely fun.
I didn't think they were going to be like that tonight, night.
And so, yeah, corporates, I really enjoy doing.
So you're sort of moderating the evening for them.
But with some fun.
Literally just emceeing, mucking around, who doesn't have the same gravitas as their business,
but is happy to, you know, as soon as they mention, you know, sort of-
Packaging sizes or whatever, you know.
But is that a new thing?
Because like, you know, ordinarily I would have expected someone to be hiring you as
You're going to get up there and, which by the way, in those corporate environments is
really hard to do.
I mean, I love watching Tom Gleeson's amazing at it.
He's amazing at those corporates.
Because, you know, it's very difficult to lose the line.
In a corporate room where you're like, hey, do I love tits?
Well, it's very difficult to step in the wrong place.
At least if I'm doing a standup tour or doing one of the comedy venues, people are coming-
That's different.
They're going to choose to come and see me and that's great.
They want my rhythm.
Well, they know your deal.
They're already in it.
But yeah, so I would much rather host the night and be there all night and-
Do you have an agent?
Yeah, fantastic agent.
Who is your agent?
My agent's Jubilee Street.
It's a fantastic woman named Beck Sutherland.
You know what's funny?
Yeah, my dad's father's and his brother's very first cafe in Australia when they first
came to Australia was called the Jubilee Cafe.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was across the road from all the movie theaters in George Street.
And my grandfather used to, at 11 o'clock in those days when he used to come out in
a suit, but what he'd do, he used to turn a fan on and he'd get the coffee brewing underneath
the fan and the fan would suck the coffee and send it out into the street.
But the Jubilee is-
Well, he was on the other side of the road to where all the movie theaters are.
So in George Street were all the picture theaters.
So there's a Metro theaters on the corner there opposite the, I love how-
Down towards Chinatown.
And, but it was called Jubilee Cafe.
So that's interesting you should say that.
So that your agent is called Jubilee Management.
I've known Beck, she and I lived together in London many years ago in the early 2000s
And she used to tour, she's been my touring agent for many, many years.
Then she sold her agency to Live Nation.
And became a part of the Australian Live Nation and was there for many, many years.
And then now she's sort of gone to just streamlining into management.
So she looks after Ursula Carlson, the fantastic Nazeem Hussain, the wonderful, great people
She's got great books.
She's got an NCP, a no policy.
Because she just, no one's got the time.
Who's got the time?
No one's got the time to deal with-
Knuckles anymore.
I like that word too.
But I mean, you're not allowed to use it, but like in broadcast, but I mean, I actually
used it a little while ago recently and I got in trouble from it for my gang, but-
Oh, I'm never, I'm double negative.
I'm never not using it.
I use it all the time.
Yeah, well, straight away I'll use it.
But on air, like I've got sponsors and all that sort of stuff, you know, it works.
So you're getting many gigs though, like there's hosting gigs?
So you build your life into that.
And what I'll do is I'll turn up and down the volume of, like within a-
small price range, if I need more of them, I'll just turn down the fee a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If I'm like, ah, ah.
Perhaps I'm surging right now.
You're like Uber.
Yeah, you're surging and-
I'll be there in four minutes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But surge pricing at all times.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But is that important?
I mean, you're a responsible-
your mother who has responsibilities to her kids, you have probably importantly,
but they're going to be okay.
You have responsibilities more importantly to yourself now?
Just to yourself?
You're going to sort yourself out for the rest of your life?
Let me tell you, I've just-
my dad spent a year and a half after a fall on his downward,
essentially dementia trajectory until he went to his God.
And let me tell you, it is the most shit punchline to work in this hard through life.
Like, we end up like that in a bed.
So that was a bit of a-
I know that sounds ridiculous saying that was a wake-up call,
but I'm like, if dementia's ahead, I'm sure it won't be.
But if it is, fucking hell, I need to get a lot more than just my finances in place right now.
I need to get some consistency of behaviours, some, you know,
like trying to train the brain a little bit more,
keeping it holding on and as strong as possible until it finally lets go.
I don't know what's-
it just feels like everyone I speak to, they're like, yeah,
actually my parent died in a very similar way.
They went downhill.
And you're finding you hear about dementia much more as we get older or something.
I don't know what it is.
But I feel like I'm hearing about dementia more and more often, more often.
Do you know it's one of the most highly searched words for people over 60?
I wonder if we hear about it more now because being elderly is pretty associated
with being a bit forgetful and a bit dotter and a bit whatever, right,
as we sort of age.
And dementia pulls that up earlier in the piece.
I felt like Dad's dissension into it was like nothing.
I was in high-volume shock sadness for the year and a half
because it felt like this is it.
Is Morris your surname or is it your married name?
That's my born name, yeah.
Because Morris is Irish.
Irish because my mother has Morris on her side.
And do you know that Irish-
Irish descent people have genetic mutations that sit around things like
motor neurone disease and brain disease, including dementia?
And my mother died from motor neurone disease at 86.
But nonetheless, I only found this out through another project I'm doing
And it is a bit of a drama.
Like you've got to be really aware of these things.
There's no point saying, oh, fuck, I'm just going to forget about it.
It's not going to happen to me.
You've got to be aware of these things,
making sure you get the best out of between here and that date if it ever happens.
God forbid it doesn't happen to you.
But also, you've got to say, what are those things I need to be doing
to delay anything like that happening to me?
And if it does happen to me, how can I make it sort of last longer?
What am I going to do about it?
I mean, for me, I think I'm going to go to Switzerland and try and buy the tablet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then I'll come home and if my arms can still lift it to my face-
I mean, I feel like my dad knew before that fall because he was so Catholic,
but I think he wanted it.
I think he knew that it was coming.
I feel like we had some of those discussions.
We definitely had a discussion in hospital where he said,
I want to apologize because I feel like moving forward I'm not going to have
control of my thoughts and I don't know what I'm going to be saying to you.
But, you know, we did our I love you chat and you've been an amazing dad
and all that, so we had that moment.
And we didn't die for another year after that, but my God,
he's like, the television's watching me.
You need to get out of here.
They're going to make you stay in here too.
I mean, it was, oh, my FG was the most extraordinary thing
I've witnessed in my life.
I thought the divorce was hardcore.
The divorce was fucking nothing watching my dad descend into this.
I'm like, all that work, all those years.
But I also, inside my own brain, wonder if he was undiagnosed,
Yeah, I was going to ask you that.
Do you think, I mean, did he have a similar sort of personality?
Yeah, I think in life, my dad was super complicated as we all are,
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He missed out on doing uni and all that sort of stuff.
He was a highly read man, like very, very well read.
We went to become a Christian brother.
And then that didn't really work out in only the way I'm sure you can imagine.
And then he met my mum about nine months after leaving.
They were kind of married and babies within a year.
So I don't think he ever had a chance to catch up with his own brain.
I think their age group was definitely like putting on appearances
and everything must appear fine.
You know, like we wore English handmade school shoes,
but both my parents worked like two and three jobs.
Why am I in start right school shoes in Gosford?
Like we didn't have the best of everything,
but we had the best that we could afford.
I've asked my mum about that.
Absolutely everything.
And that keeping up appearances must have been a drainer.
But I think my dad would have gone through bouts of depression
and all sorts of stuff because I think he had ADHD brain.
I think his brain would have been like da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
Yeah, and I think my mother was sort of similar.
We used to wear velvet, you know, we had nothing,
but my mother would spend everything she had on putting us in the best clothes.
Because you've got to look good.
Yeah, yeah, especially on Sunday at mass.
You have to wear little velvet pants.
I used to hate it, but I remember my brother and sister used to,
but they were significantly younger than me,
and I remember my mum dressing them up in exactly the same sort of stuff.
I used to think to myself at the time, why?
I just want to go in a pair of shorts and thongs.
I would have been happy with that.
And a lot of the other kids did do that actually.
You always wore shoes to church.
But mum was obsessed with this sort of stuff
and has a relationship to this Catholic guilt thing.
And you went to Catholic school, obviously.
I mean, that actually probably didn't feed too well into your ADHD,
particularly wanting to please everybody.
The nuns were very kind with me, but they also told my parents
when I was in year 12 that I had slipped through the system
with my personality.
And I got 198 out of 500 in the HSC.
That certificate is hanging up in my office.
I'm as proud as Pudge of my 100,
because I wouldn't have been able to function
in the 10th grade.
I was in my best set up.
I didn't have the brain to take it in.
You probably didn't even complete the exam.
You probably ran out of time.
I would have been doing drawings to make the examiners laugh,
to think they would give me one or two extra points
because I'd done such a nice drawing.
So coming out of school, no uni, that for me back in those days,
well, for everybody, if you didn't go to uni,
what were you going to do?
What were you going to do?
I worked for the police department for a little bit of a while,
processing P4s, which are accident reports,
through a microfilm.
I did every, yeah, exactly.
I did every job I could moving forward.
And I've only just said to my girls recently,
because they're both kind of around that age where they're trying
to work out what it is they'll do in their lives.
And I said, look, earn your rent till you're 25.
25, all of a sudden you have a little bit of awakening
or around about that time where you're like, actually,
I think I would be better suited to this.
You can go to uni.
You can do this, do that.
Would do whatever.
Be a part of things so you understand.
So then when you make that turn directly into the thing
that becomes your passion or your job or, you know,
then you're ready for it because you've had a bit of get-out time.
You've had a bit of, you know, a couple of trips,
a couple of this, and you've, you know,
learned a little bit about your life.
Sit down and think to yourself, here's the girl looking
at microfilm, microfiche in those days, you know,
which is actually a bit of actual black film put
through a little machine.
You used to turn a dial and you used to have the information
written on the thing and it'd come up on a screen for you.
But if you ever think to yourself, and now,
especially now, given that you've lived a life undiagnosed,
but now you are diagnosed, and unmedicated,
but now you have access to medication,
you've gone through a divorce, you've been on,
you've done a million different things in your life,
you're now completely independent, you're now taking control
of all your situation, do you ever think to yourself,
Julia, I'm going to give yourself a pat on the back?
Oh, at all times.
That's pretty amazing.
I honestly feel like that.
I know, literally.
I could not be more pleased with myself at the moment
I've been just sort of thinking exactly about that,
just like, you know, talk about many rivers to cross.
Every single person has got, I think, an extraordinary story,
whether their needs have been met emotionally or physically
or financially or whatever that is.
My story's no more intense than anybody else's.
It's just that I live my life a lot in front of the general public.
They can, you know, they can see.
They think they can see everything.
I mean, but I think one of the great things about you
is your honesty, you know, your propensity to actually
maybe even overstate the honesty, overstate the proposition,
because a lot of people don't have your forthrightness with themselves.
And they sit there and they just hide all this shit.
And then they have to deal with it all the time.
I was thinking exactly that.
I think that's what it is.
And that's why I was so happy to get you on the show.
I mean, I'm not here to everybody.
I'm not trying to talk a down subject, but this is actually,
for me anyway, uplifting that someone like Julia is prepared
to sort of say it how it is and still happy with her life.
I think we do keep up appearances so much or trying to look
like everything's fine.
That when you, when you do say,
actually everything's not necessarily fine
and this has been difficult, everybody I know is going
through trials and tribulations, everyone you speak to.
So kind of, I don't know what I'm trying to say,
but most of the people that I speak to are all chatting
about mental health at the moment.
Good, bad, you know, silly, I was going to say silly Trump,
not allowed to say that, but, you know,
like there's a lot going on in our world.
How do you, how do you stay still feeling vaguely okay,
without it all, all feel like it's coming in on you?
And I think, I think for me, that's taking some time at home
in the stillness with my family.
Doesn't mean no more shit's going to happen.
Stand by for the next bit.
Right now resolved though.
Relative to whatever's happened.
Plus remember to notice when the good stuff happens.
I think the bad stuff's so easy to go, well,
the bloody car's done this and now the house and that stupid,
now the roof's rotted and whatever that is.
But such and such arrived today and I didn't have to go and do that or,
you know, it's remembering to notice the glimmers is what everybody's
calling them, not just the downside of this happened and that happened
and we, oh my God.
Where's the good stuff?
Do you know what?
Alarm went off this morning and I'd forgotten to plug the charger in.
Still went off though.
So there's, you know, trying to notice those little good things in your day.
Keep me afloat a little bit more too.
It's funny you should say that because, you know,
for me it's really simple.
I often get out of bed in the morning, like, you know,
I get up pretty early and, but I actually, and if I had a shit sleep,
I actually say to myself, you got out of bed.
I've got mates who are dead.
I've got a lot of friends who are dead or can't get out of bed.
And, you know, like I'm sort of coming up to that, the next cliff.
And I think, I actually think how lucky I am.
I mean, and so gratefulness is a big deal.
I mean, by the way.
I'm very Catholic.
You know, be grateful, but it doesn't matter.
And there is, like there is a, somebody said to me not long ago,
I've definitely started to not argue, but stand my ground back.
I never used to do that.
I just think, oh, like this, whatever stupid person say this stupid thing,
and then they can just roll on and I'm not going to have my correspondence.
But these days I will have a word back where I'm like,
that's not actually correct.
So there was something that happened.
I can't remember a few weeks ago when I was working and whatever,
it was a sort of a gaslight.
moment where they were like, oh, you better not turn when such
and such happens.
And I was like, yeah, I'm not going to do that because, A,
I'm a professional and, B, you're actually gaslighting everybody
that I am a risk that I might turn at any moment and I've never done it.
There's no evidence to show you that I've done it.
So I notice a lot more things that I can call out now rather
than just go, oh, yeah, maybe I should have done that.
Now I'm like, actually, that's incorrect.
What you might find.
There's this and this and this.
And being a little bit more informed, you know, helps me because before
I would just be like, oh, maybe I don't know.
Maybe they're right and I'm wrong would be my headspace.
As I get older, I'm definitely getting more confidence in the,
no, I actually know what I'm talking about.
Do you think you, do you ever think to yourself,
I often think about myself, but do you ever think to yourself,
fuck, I was actually a very slow maturer.
It's taken me to be 50-odd years of age.
It's still blossoming.
No, but I mean it.
Learning about myself.
I feel like I've only just turned up to my intelligence in the last five months.
I don't know whether I was sleepwalking.
I don't know what I was doing.
When I look back at various parts of my life, I was just like,
how did I not notice that?
Or was I not thinking?
How did I tolerate that?
How did I tolerate myself treating myself like that?
So I don't know what it is, but I just think it's in the past now,
so I better just.
Turn up now and do whatever I can between now and my working years
to put things in place.
I guess the financials is the only thing I don't kind of feel like
I have necessarily locked in place.
So that's the thing I'm like, oh, God, this is what I've got to make up for.
This is what I've got to work towards over like realistically what, five years?
You've got more than that.
I want to Betty White that shit.
I want to be working till the grave.
But certainly in a slightly higher income section,
I don't know that I'm going to last there.
So that's why I'm trying to.
Quickly manage things.
Because I thought I already had.
But then 75% of that went away.
But it's stronger you though to be able to actually accept that position.
And the fact is that you've accepted that proposition
and that you've accepted the fact that you have to do what you have to do.
And get on with it.
It's fucking unbelievable.
You've got to get on with it.
But that's actually the best part of it.
And by the way, imagine if it went to, it didn't happen until you were 65.
There's also like some women will have, say, for example,
their husbands drop dead.
But so then they have to find their window in.
When I got divorced, I was determined not to ask a single question
because I was like, I will not ask a single question about anything
because I just, I like the idea of no one being able to work out
how I was able to do it.
So I just slowed down.
There's stuff when I'm like joining websites.
And slow it down, start again.
Now I've got to like program televisions and plug them into my house.
Just slow down and do it.
So I've upskilled tremendously in that time.
But I feel like that might have just reignited my brain to give me a whisper
more time that if dementia, I want to be super realistic about dementia.
And if it's coming, then I want to have some sort of preparation.
I read an amazing article.
It said the earlier you can recognize it and be honest with yourself,
then you can start to put some repeated behaviors in place
that will give you what feels like a much better quality of life
because you'll be able to hopefully stay in your home a bit longer
and get a better quality of life happening if that's what's coming
because it looks like a shit show.
Dementia, that's a nightmare.
I mean, I'm getting wound up, we're getting wound up,
but I have to say this to you.
My gut feeling, I mean, I have seen plenty of people with dementia,
mates, family, et cetera.
My gut feeling is, Julie, I don't see it ever happening to you.
I mean, you're only 57, but normally the signs would start to be coming through.
Some of the whispers.
I think you're sharper now.
Than I knew you 10 or 11 years ago when I first met you
or when you first came on the show.
Could not harness the thoughts properly.
You're sharper now.
And I don't think it's just because of the Dexys,
but I think you are just sharper.
I think I'm more calm.
You have a bigger grasp on what's going on.
You're more aware of everything.
It's like I've turned up all my volumes of the best parts of myself
and all the bad parts of myself I feel like no longer count
because I'm not married.
Well, I think it also has turned on your survivor gene.
Yeah, and reignited the brain, absolutely, to have to do the work.
Your genes clicked in and you're in.
You're on and then, but I actually feel as though you've gone
from survivor or surviving into thriving.
I just get that feeling.
I'm getting that energy from you.
I've always got energy from you, but you're, I mean,
I'm getting a real strong positive feeling from you.
So you're killing it, mate.
I've never been happier.
I honestly don't think I've ever been happier.
And you definitely don't play the victim.
You're not carrying that sort of cross on your shoulder.
Oh, no, but bits give you the shits.
Like, you know, like I love like swinging maths around to my friends
going, and then this happened and that happened.
So I feel a little bit like it was starting to be a few years ago now.
And no one gives a shit anyway.
That's in the dust.
And also, yeah, exactly.
No one gives a shit.
I've got my own drama.
So like, you know, that's what they think.
What was it I was saying?
No one really, I can't remember what my mother used to say to me all the time,
but she's about your enemies, your enemies don't care
and your friends won't believe you.
So she said, so don't waste your time.
Trying to convince people.
Just get on with it.
Don't be the victim.
Just get on with it.
Do you know what I did when the divorce went down?
I was sort of left with a house that wasn't to code
because we bought this house in 2020 that was like a 1976.
Like building code.
Beast of a thing.
And nothing was to building code.
Things were too low.
They were too high, whatever.
I had to completely restore this entire house while going through the divorce
because I sort of had no choice.
All of a sudden stuff needed to be done.
So I also did such a.
Probably a manic two years of getting everything in order
that now I walk around my home, it's done.
I feel like my finances will start to build now that I've got some things in place
and I'm noticing.
And you have a plan.
And I've got a plan.
You've got to make a plan.
It is the absolute basics, isn't it?
And I think it's never too late to start.
And I think that's one of the, I hate the word empowering,
but one of the things of getting you on, some was, you know,
you've got a lot of cut through.
Actually say that.
And by the way, you've got to be prepared to execute it though.
You've got to execute every day.
What about when you then got to do it?
But you've got to do it.
But you've got to do it.
And anyone that you can put in place around you that will help you
maintain that regularity I think is fantastic as well.
Mate, I used to have a mate who, unfortunately, he had a stroke
and pretty young, he was about 68, 69 when it happened to him.
And I was whinging to him about something that I was going through.
And he was 10 years old.
I mean, I was telling him a story about it.
And I remember him saying to me, basically sort of,
he didn't say it in such words, but he basically said,
listen, Mark, I'm incapacitated here.
I'd love to have you a problem.
And it's a blessing that you can actually do gigs.
It's a blessing that you are doing the show for 10.
It's the, you know, you have the capacity.
That's a blessing.
So if you look at it like that, you're killing it.
Because certainly in the entertainment sector,
or comedy sector.
Beyond, I mean, it used to be beyond, you know,
you were lucky if you lasted till 50.
So there are a series of women and men who are, you know,
letting that live on a little bit longer in television.
And I guess television is an ageing audience as well,
certainly for free-to-air television.
So, you know, because everybody else is kind of streaming.
But I think also trying to make the plan of what's coming next.
You know, I don't know anywhere near enough about AI.
Like I find that all like, oh, what if I put in the wrong thing
But AI is not going to replace a comedian though.
No, definitely not.
But certainly trying to keep up to date with things.
I don't want one of these big systems within the next 10 years
Like I can't get on Instagram because it's just, oh,
it's just another thing.
I don't want to be like that about AI and I don't want to be like that
about any developments because I want to still be a part
of the conversation.
As I now move, you know, to get older and older.
I don't want to be, oh, I didn't know that's what Instagram does.
I want to be on top of it so I can still feel like I'm a part
of, you know, the epicentre of society.
Well, Julia, one, I want to say thanks very much for coming
up to do the podcast, but I've got two words for you
and you never stop doing this.
Inspired or inspiring?
You're actually inspiring.
I thought you were going to say you're fired.
And the second word is full respect, man.
Julia Morris, thanks very much.
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