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hey guys welcome back to ebbs and flows where we talk about the highs and lows ins and outs
fares and doubts on and off the field today i am joined off first of all i am your host ice
shout out to my brand partners sporting news australia for helping you bring this production
together joined today by a couple sharks greats and up and coming great wade graham and renato
thanks for having us it's good to be back mate changed over the years new room for me i haven't
been this fun so yeah i'm pumped to have you on board uh first of all we'll talk origin obviously
your guys captain oh it's not captain your guys halfback um is up for the mix you're paid new
south wales who would you pick before for the halves right now right now i'd still go nico i
think he deserves his shot um and then it sort of suits him a bit better now because he'd be on the
right hand side of the field for clearing right for kicker um but i really would like i would
have enjoyed to see him play with nate i just think i understand the combination between um
obviously nate
and jerome and with isaiah there in particular and it's easy for them to play that structure
but i just think you know the strength of queensland and the strength of the house part
like pairing it's not so much the opportunities when you play like off nate which jerome and
isaiah plays to nate it's you need to play to take the ball away from him when the opportunity comes
up elsewhere that's what nico would have done it would have been if the queensland set up on nate
wherever he was an opportunity came down the short side or on the other side of the field nico would
have took that space that's how he plays where i feel like because of the penner combination they
just wait to make to get around the field so yeah hopefully one day we get to see them two play
together because i think they could be um really good but i think at this stage you know i think
nico deserves his shot and i think jerome will stay there i thought he was pretty good in game
one yeah i thought he was awesome too um just this is the way that penrith play and i will
have the pen with boys in there before and they said that system took like years
and i know they try to plug that in straight away do you reckon they need to change that style of play
because obviously knave holds the middle part of the field when i watch the sharks play when i watch
nico like the thing i love about nico is the variations of the shapes that he has but it's
usually from the 70 30 split and it goes like seven six one and you guys stripping down the
edges like jerkin that style of play could work in origin because when i hear origin players talk
they say it's all about the small moments all about the small moments when i watch the sharks
play it's like beautiful it's like pretty to watch yeah i think that's the hardest thing with that is
when you have those combinations in the key positions like you can throw happy in there too
and you can throw happy in there too and you can throw happy in there too and you can throw happy in there too
you know it's not necessarily that those combinations are going to get around and
play the way they normally play at club level but it makes it hard for the other guys to get
in it makes it harder for tedesco to get in to that combo because he doesn't know he's not 100
up to speed with their communication or what they're even looking at sometimes
it's not even how you talk it's what you see and the other players because they're in that
structure together they're all looking at the same thing so it's harder for those other guys to get
in there and express their strengths because in the large chunk of the spawn are taking over i feel
like if you have more players who you know they play what's in play what's in front they play to
space they count the numbers they don't necessarily let the structure take over the game they wait for
the opportunities from the opposition to pop up and then they go and they sit like they seek out
that opportunity they seek that space or they seek the numbers to overlap which is what you know which
munster does really well for you know club level in queensland he lets the structure
go apart but then when he sees an opportunity to play his his his moment which is the moment
we're talking about he ices it which is what i was saying a bit before like if you put nico with nate
you know nace is going to touch the ball 50 times but it's the five times he probably doesn't touch
the ball which is when the defense is over compensated on you need the other half to really
take that off take that on and be aware of that when it's going to pop up and that's what nico's
trying to space count the numbers yeah what do you think the the criticism around obviously very
origin time of the year the criticism around tedesco and you're you playing that back three
do you reckon his criticisms being fair from game one as a former queensland great
no no no i think it's so funny that um for a player that's dominated the game for so long that
how quick everyone can change on them and and the respect that everyone forgets about um it's it's
sad to see because you know he still comes out and he's still probably one of the most feared
players in my eyes i mean i come against roosters i'm like like all we talk about is tedesco
you can't you can't just go out and get him because he's just so flighty and i think that
um i think queensland understand how good he is and i think the public still kind of don't and and
they've kind of forgotten that bit but um as a back three like it'll be it'll be honestly honestly a
big honor to to play against i'll play with someone like that and and have that kind of caliber and um
um i travelling and job isn't a big concern in journalism honestly i think you mai've got a
lot to work with with general epix he's got lots of development and he's got a lot of little engineering
but i think that that plays into um kind of the game and thing of what that means it's really
about um Roads and you can even play with local Gazelias and your own league that can influence
the ownership of those teams and how you play with those clubs and how you play with the organisations
too but yeah i really we've got lie finalmst time we're going back to last three different games
by FTES decade and i think the women's teams as you're
back in the day um what fullback wouldn't you want to see out of because obviously like this
is probably the biggest selection headache that origins ever had ever like you normally you know
who's coming straight in but in terms of fullbacks you got tommy turbo there la charles coming back
and teddy would teddy be the one you wouldn't want back yeah teddy 100 like uh i just feel like
he's he's those guys he's one of those players just pop up everywhere like you know and he's got
that um the ability just to run 200 300 meters and and eat up the middle and when we play the
roosters as well like if he gets going man like he just brings their middles to life he brings
their whole team to life and that's the thing that kind of hurts you and you're just on the
back foot the whole time so with the balance of that but um you know it allows you with those
three you just said turbo and natural and teddy it allows you to get all three into the into the
team right which is a big it's always been a strength of ours when those three guys play
together
um there's no doubt we missed the trail and how you know powerful he can be and how dynamic he
can be out of the backfield and because we didn't execute i just think we weren't connected that
well in game one no we didn't it looked like we're playing the power game and trying to play fast
which actually ended up hurting us a little bit because we didn't quite execute um our moments
we saw in the first half like teddy you know nine times out of ten he passes to the fox there
and he scores yeah because we're all i reckon we're just a bit over speed in our minds
and just we just weren't 100 um connected across the park at herders i feel like they'll be in
better shape for the run in game two although it isn't it's a big ass going up to suncorp
oh yeah um i kind of like the dynamic of like everyone started talking about reynolds and cody
walker and if i'm if i'm freddie and they say his job's on the line i'm only going off speculation
i think i'd almost go down that line like well it's a good it's a good option
yeah okay see and that's that's the thing like when you talk about pairings you look at adam
and cody and i talked about it before they're not so much going to be structure like adam is going
to kick the boys into good positions he's going to play the field position game he's going to be
simple with his communication he's probably going to let the forwards do their work and the obese do
their work just come in at the back in the sets when you know to kick and get an opportunity but
you know cody's going to play all over the field he's going to play and attack and run and support
the space you know and play the numbers so that they're a good combination for that sort of arena
because that sort of arena structure is it's not like you know you had the boys you need um fischers
and lyoto and they said it took years to understand that structure and for all of them to be on the
same page you only got a week in origin to sort of get um get the team connected and and understanding
what they're trying to achieve and what their goals are and in attack and d so i think simpler
The more simple it is, the better.
And you just need to have the opportunity, the eyes,
and the know-how to take the opportunities when they present.
So it's a good – it's a big decision for Freddie
because if his job is on the line, like, who are you going to back?
Are you going to back the guys you had in game one
who you thought, bar a couple injuries, you know,
you pick the team that you think is going to get the job done?
Or do you just completely rip it apart and throw a new combination in there?
What would you do?
What would I do?
I'd go Nico.
I'd go Nico, like I said.
I think he – he'd had the seven on his back, but he wouldn't –
he'd be playing both sides of the ball.
He'd pop up at second receiver.
I think how he – a lot would depend on his communication with the hooker
and say if Jerome was there again, like,
what sort of looks they were expecting to get to.
Yeah.
But I think he, over the last 18 months, probably deserves his shot.
He's been, like, one of the premier elite playmakers.
Yeah.
And he's not going to be phased by a sun call, would he?
No.
Well, like you say, that's why –
and Reynolds is so appealing too, right?
He plays there.
He's –
Yeah, that's the backyard.
That's the backyard now.
So he's had so much success in a short time at Brisbane.
And if there's one guy you want to sort of get in there
who you know is going to be steady for you and just do his job
and kick the team into good positions, that's probably ad.
So, you know, a lot comes down to this weekend of footy, I reckon.
Yeah, it's pretty exciting, isn't it?
Yeah, it's good.
Like, just as a – like, I go for Queensland, like, as a casual,
but it's pretty exciting to listen to everyone else's different takes.
So I found it interesting because normally it's like,
oh, Nathan's in and Jerome's in.
It's been cool to have something like a little bit different.
Yeah, it's probably a position we haven't been in for a long time.
I know you said it's normally simple to pick the teams
or, like, at least in the key positions.
But we've had a lot of guys, particularly in New South Wales,
just putting their hand up and playing good, right?
Like Dylan Edwards, we haven't even mentioned him at fullback.
We had, like, Latrell is obviously playing fullback at Clubland
and one of the most dynamic players in the competition.
So do you – you have the ability?
Do you move him or do we leave him there at fullback
and, you know, find another good centre?
Like, Campbell Graham's been killing it.
He's back this weekend.
Yeah.
You know, Critter's been playing well.
Lots of guys, eh, bro?
Yeah, lots of guys.
You say, like, with Turbo, there's question marks about Turbo.
He wasn't playing that well.
Is he 100% fit?
But, like, you can never knock a champion, and he's a champion.
Like, he's one of the – I know he hasn't had the greatest 18 months
because of his body, but, you know, when he's on, he's, like,
probably the best player.
He's the best player in the competition.
Yeah, there's some guys you just throw in an origin and always –
I remember Jenko was always, like –
I think he made origin out of reserve grade one year.
Or Jimmy Maloney, too.
You just know, like, he could be rat's arse for two weeks,
didn't get picked, and then he rolls in game two, gets made in the match.
Yeah.
Kicks every goal from the sideline because that's just –
And it pisses him down with rain, too.
He just slotted him over.
Question.
It might be a bit of a different one.
In terms of coaching staff, when I look at Freddie,
when I look at Joey, that's probably our generation.
And those guys rock up into our camp, would run for a brick wall for them.
Now the generation's gone, like, a decade past.
And, like, say – I'll give you an example.
So, say if, like, Wally Lewis had given us lessons or Mel Meninga,
I didn't really watch those guys play.
So, I've heard about how great they were, and I've seen highlights,
but it wouldn't have that impact where you look at someone like Queensland,
got JT, got Cam Smith, Billy.
Like, you look at Reece Walsh, he's, like, one, he's picked over KP straight away.
Two, he's picked by the best full-back to ever play the game.
And then three, he throws on that maroon armour.
Like, how can his debut game not be like that?
Do you reckon – and I don't think there's any better substitutions for him –
but do you reckon the coachings in today's modern-day players,
is there a big difference there?
Or am I just fucking picking?
I think there would be a difference for sure.
Like, one guy we haven't spoken about is Josh Hennay.
Like, he's our assistant coach at the Sharks,
and he does all the behind-the-scenes stuff, no doubt, for the Queensland team.
And, mate, he's a gun.
Like, he's a gun.
What makes him good?
Is he the one who used to take ages to kick a ball, eh?
Oh, yeah, he was a goal-kicker.
He was a goal-kicker.
He's just, mate, he, like, he understands where the modern game's at, pretty much,
with, like, the rules and interpretation, you know, what the trends are in the game.
But he's, like, straight to the point.
Like, communicates well.
There's no bullshit about him.
He's just, like, he's just got it, mate.
Like, he took over when –
when the club made a decision to sign Fitzy and move Johnny Morris on.
So he took over as interim.
And, like, for a guy who I had nothing to do with before he came to the club,
I reckon within half a season, man, I had so much respect for him as a coach.
And he's an ex-young gun coach, I mean, off the rink.
I feel a bit, like, worried about saying it, like, publicly,
because eventually he's going to get the attention.
Well, I want to keep him at the Sharkies all the time.
But I have no doubt whatsoever that he's doing a lot of the –
behind-the-scenes stuff just to help Billy and, you know, Cam and JT out
because they're not in the day-to-day, week-to-week grind of, you know,
coaching in NRL and running sessions and planning the weeks.
We're ahead of years, and, you know, he's unbelievable.
So – and that's the thing where I know the Blues have Mary,
who's been in that system, but they don't really have a coach
who's right now, right in, you know, the game this season, last season.
There's Freddie, Brandy, Mary.
Obviously, Badiris is there, too.
So, yeah.
You know, maybe, you know, possibly, quite possibly,
we are lacking that little bit of mouse.
And the hard part is, is because Queensland was so dominant for so long,
like, if you went off the – if the winning halves from when New South Wales
finally jagged one, it'd be like Hocko and Reynolds, you know what I mean?
So, like, the level of halves that – due to success, I don't know.
I think about that little stuff a little bit, eh?
I was telling the boys the other day, because obviously my short life in Queensland camp,
before they found the imposter.
But, yeah, like, when I went in, and Billy was our backs coach,
and it was, like, me, Reecey.
Reecey was meant to debut in 2021.
Yeah.
Like, Kyle Feld and Val were in there as well.
And I remember he got us into this meeting, and he's, like, such a, like, technical man.
Like, he –
They say that, yeah.
He's like a, yeah, maniac at it.
And gets us in this room, and I was thinking,
oh, we must be having our normal back five meeting, blah, blah, blah.
And he pulls out his little iPad, bro, and he goes –
It's just –
This dog chaperoning this horse, like, following this horse.
So when the horse goes right, the dog's, like, chasing it, like, just getting in front of it.
And he's like, this is how you got to be at the, like, effing back.
If you want to be a, like, good fullback or a good outside back, this is the difference.
You got to be like this dog.
And we're just watching this clip of this horse getting chased by this dog and, like,
followed by this dog.
He's like, you got to fucking stalk it.
You got to anticipate when it's going to move.
You move.
And, like, you saw that in Reece Walsh's games and how he played on Origin as well.
And the anticipation, every reaction kind of thing.
And I think just by seeing that, I kind of looked at it and I was just like, man,
that dude would have done that every day of his life and his footy career.
He never missed a line break.
Will Kennedy, he never misses it too.
I wonder what the key is to good support.
What did he say?
Did he teach you anything through that?
No, he just –
No, he kept it to himself.
I think you just got to keep your feet moving.
Anticipation over reaction.
Yeah.
He'd jump in our drills and just look like he could play in our house.
He would get in and just do something freakish.
And I'm like, what the hell is this guy doing?
That's annoying.
I played a World Cup with both Billy and Cameron.
And they obviously had that years and years to play together.
But Billy, he was even like that as a player.
He would run the back five sessions.
And then we'd get onto the field and I was in the back row.
He'd talk for a whole – his talk for a set was unbelievable.
He'd be like controlling the middles at the rock,
talking about whatever shape that is.
And then over the back of it, yeah, wait, I'll be on the back of you in two plays.
He's sorting it all out.
Oh, wow.
So his level of understanding and footy IQ is through the roof.
And he would be like the play-by-play, playing every play talk.
And then there was Cameron, who was the captain and the hooker,
who would just – he'd take control of the long game
and take care of the field position and where I'm putting the team,
just constantly putting the team in the right places
to allow the likes of Billy and JT and Cooper to take over and play their footy.
And it was sort of like, yeah, Billy, he'd be like the play-by-play guy,
but then Cameron would be the long game.
He'd understand what the team needed at that time, in that moment,
and he'd get that done.
So I was pretty fortunate to have that opportunity to play with them
because we got beat by them for a long time.
That's annoying, eh?
Let's talk about the Sharkers for a little bit, obviously,
a bit of origin chat there.
When I – I just associate my time with the Sharkers
when I used to play against you guys,
and you guys were kind of more so like the gritty side.
Yeah.
So like –
We'll score two for winning by eight.
Let them get a try so we can get back into this little arm wrestle.
When you had guys like this, now you're into this sort of new phase
where sometimes you can put 40 on a team
and sometimes you could let 30 roll past.
What's the biggest transition you've seen over this –
well, you've obviously been there for a long time,
but let's just go after your premiership winning year
and the year you're at right now
because I think you're in a premiership window now.
For me, it's just the coaching styles, really.
Like Fitzy has his philosophy and his way he views the game
and what he coaches us every day.
Like we talk about – you know, we – like our staff are pretty cool, man.
So we've got Fitzy and Steve Price who's a part of the 2016 team, do the D,
and then we have, you know, Josh Hanna who takes the attack
with Daniel Holdsworth, DJ.
Yeah.
So they're like –
Yeah, they're there too.
Oh, sick.
It's a cool crew, man.
They're like –
You can all have – you can have a beer for those boys too, right?
Yeah, they're all good, but they're just precise in what they want.
They know what they need in the game.
It's just our style is completely different to back then.
Back then, we sort of had –
we were led by Gowza and Louie and Mickey Ennis, this experienced team.
Yeah, Townsend and Robson who were kind of more like steady-ed.
Yeah, just steady-ed.
And it was just like we'll – just through experience and through grit
and just, you know, wanting to get into the fight, we'd score.
And like that's how we get our results.
I'm not saying we didn't have classy players because we had Benny Barber at the back
and we had, you know, Val was coming through and Birdie
and Ricky and Josiah Fecky were killing it as well.
But we just were more dominated by –
we were more dominated by that hard-edge, older, experienced team
when now we're driven by these young guys who are just, you know, fearless.
They're fearless in the way they play
and how they want to prepare to attack on the weekends.
And our biggest thing for us is that consistency in the defense.
We can get our defense right and put ourselves up into that top tier of defensive teams.
We'll find some points with our style because it's a hard style to play,
but when we get it right, it's hard to defend.
It's so pretty, eh?
Like obviously you see you guys just walking tries over.
And probably the only team I really see do that is like Rabbitohs
and that's when they've been in their system for so long.
But it's so pretty to watch, isn't it?
Yeah, well, it was funny because for a long time after the premiership,
we were trying to play the same style that we used to through those years.
Just didn't have the same troops.
And we just didn't have the same troops and it was just different styles of players.
And it really took that fresh start from Fitzy to come across and, you know, really,
it was almost just –
tear the page out and start again because everyone who was involved previous Fitzy
had come through Flano's, Shane Flanagan's system.
So they were all trying to implement the same system,
whether it be training week, game plan.
And it was just a different – it was a completely different team.
Like we had – you know, at the time when we won in 2016,
we had three guys with over 300 games.
And, you know, we still had like Matty Pryor and Fafita who were like 150 gamers.
I might have been, you know, 180 at that stage.
So it was just –
the week was always about building, building, get your prep done.
But then come game day, it's on.
And you just knew everyone was going to show up and play well or just do their job.
And we tried to sort of adopt that through.
We just didn't really change it.
And we were so inconsistent because we just probably lacked a lot in our prep.
They let us down on the weekend where Fitzy, he came over and he shaped us.
And, you know, not to embarrass like Ronnie or the young guys coming through there
and just coming into the best parts of their careers.
And a lot of them are only 23, 24.
And as someone who's, you know, going to be finishing up soon,
I've just made the clubs in a great spot with our staff
and the core of the young guys coming through.
And for someone who's put so much time and years into the club,
you know, I'm so happy with where it's at.
And I'm excited for what's in store for the next, you know, however long.
What's next for you?
Do you know what you're doing?
I don't know.
There's a few balls up in the air I can finish.
Yeah.
If I do finish, hopefully I stay away, like stay around the club.
Are you going to coach?
I've always thought you'd be a coach.
Well, I've been doing a little bit of coaching.
Always trying to tell him that.
I've been doing a bit with the Pathways already.
Yeah.
And I've just started working with the women's team, the W.
They've only just started their preseason,
so they're only doing real basic stuff.
I've got the stuff in the media.
I'm signed with Triple M at the moment and I do a bit of Fox.
Work with Fox and Nine freelance.
And then I think, well, then options are still to play
if I'm feeling good at the end of the year.
You've still got that fire in your belly?
I still love it, eh, like coming to training.
But because of where the squad is at and the staff is at,
it's just a real easy place to come, man, and work
and just do your job.
It's always fun.
You know, I can't see myself leaving Cronulla.
Like, when kids are settled there,
there's still a little bit of maybe going overseas.
You know, obviously my partner's French-Canadian.
Can you speak French now?
A little bit.
I'm getting better.
I'm getting better.
So there's still a little bit of a pull
to maybe spend some time in France.
Or then if I do finish and we're okay,
like there's an option to move to Canada for a bit as well.
Got some good options.
I'm juggling a few balls at the moment.
Oh, sick.
I'm sure you'll figure it out anyway.
Your coach, Fitz Gibbon, obviously, like,
I think it's important when you come into a team,
especially when you're young and it's a good side
and a winning side like you spoke of.
But what's some of the greatest lessons you've learned from Fitzy so far?
Oh, you know, obviously what Wado said,
like we lost a couple of our experienced players
after the grand final years and I didn't debut till 2019.
So that's like three years, you know, from that.
Yeah.
And then it's coming to a side with so much experience still.
You know, we still had Galza, Wado, Priscat was there around then,
Moisa, all those boys there that kind of led the way for us.
And I remember, like, always remember vividly,
like we always get on the beers,
always try and go and drink with the older boys
and you listen to their stories and that,
like just to get a bit of a laugh.
So, you know, one thing that probably like stuck with me
during those hard times was like,
like I said, Wado is one of those guys that he talks and you listen.
And he's just been that core leader for us for so long,
especially us young dudes.
And when the club was kind of going through all that turnover
of coaching staff and all that jazz,
I think the only person that kind of really held us together
was probably Wado.
Yeah.
He's probably the only reason why boys stayed.
And during this time, you know, during that whole time,
Wado always used to be like,
don't worry, boys, you know, we'll see better days.
And I mean, the whole bomber thing happened when bomber got fired.
Now that was probably someone I love, like John Morris was like,
you know, that person that held me in first grade.
And to see that kind of thing happen kind of put me off a bit.
And then Wado was always the one that made sure that,
boys, don't stress, don't worry.
It's all going to be, it's going to be all good.
I promise you, I promise you.
And to come out on the other end,
obviously we still haven't done anything, you know,
we haven't won a premiership, we haven't done anything yet.
So there's still more to be done,
but it's just nice to see Wado kind of,
sit back now and just, you know,
kind of chaperone us in a different way.
And I come in as a 19 year old, I'm 23, 24 this year,
and Wado's watched me my whole career so far,
and all those older boys.
So it's nice to be able to let them sit back
and have a laugh at our stories and have a giggle about us.
Yeah, just let you learn.
Yeah, let us learn.
We'll be there, bro.
That's not going to play to us.
Fitzy is just one of those guys that,
the way he played his career, you know,
he's just tough and just one of the-
Was he ever on stage?
Offside?
He's always offside.
Big, long thingy.
Yeah, and the way he's kind of teaching us,
and I still, like Wado said,
we're still trying to find that consistent footy.
Like, we want to play pretty,
we want to play that nice brand of footy, but-
It's hard to get that balance right.
Exactly, yeah.
And that's what we're getting wrong at the moment,
is that balance of,
like, man, sometimes you've got to bend your back,
and the wingers don't bend their backs,
so I just sit there,
and my ones catch the highballs, I guess.
But yeah, like, you know, all those little things, I think.
And Fitzy's trying to get it out of us
to make sure that, you know,
we come and balance that right.
And yeah, I'm just enjoying my footy at the moment,
enjoying the club environment.
Like, Wado said, man, our staff, like-
Definitely helps, bro.
Yeah, we want to invite them to have beers with us.
That's how funny, like, that's how good they are.
Like, we want to invite all of them,
including our coach.
You know, you go to other clubs
and hear stories about them
not even wanting a bar with their coaching staff.
But whereas our group is like,
if we have, like, a team drink-up,
we want them to be a part of that.
And I think that's important.
And even our development players,
where we get everyone involved
at our-
at our club, like,
when our rule is, like, you come in,
you're just one of us straight away.
Like, it's-
Yeah, that's cool.
It's kind of a-
none of this hierarchy.
Obviously, you have your hierarchy
at the back of your head.
Like, you know, you've got the older boys and that.
But Wado, like, he'll talk to anyone.
He doesn't care.
Like, Moise will talk to anyone
and they'll reach out to anyone.
So I think we've got a good crop of boys around our club.
Um, I want to watch you play.
Like, get in a little battle.
I love it.
Firstly, I love it.
Let him answer first.
You know, it's all about-
I'll tell you a funny story.
I'll tell you a funny story.
Um, I'll ask you a question.
Do you do that to get yourself motivated?
Or is it a point where, like,
someone does something to you
and you just can't help it?
Almost Cody Walker-esque.
It's almost-
I was like,
sometimes I just-
I just want to do it,
like, to test someone,
like, to see-
I know everyone likes-
this guy's a freaking dick,
like, you know what I mean?
I don't mind it.
Yeah, like, I-
I see it as-
my theory is,
if I'm versing someone,
why should I like them?
You know, for 80 minutes, right?
Like, whether it's my-
my good mate,
my best mate,
or whoever it is,
whatever game it is,
whether it's a video game,
whether it's a rugby game,
whatever,
I just see it as,
for 80 minutes,
I hate you with my life,
like, I hate your guts,
and I'll do anything
for my 17 boys in my team,
and that's all I care about.
Like, I-
it doesn't-
like, nothing else matters
more than my teammates, right?
But-
Does this come from gaming?
Like, from-
Oh, it probably does,
but it gets my brothers in there,
but no, no, no, freaking-
But I-
and-
and I take things, like, personal,
and I probably take it
too personal sometimes,
and I-
and I do cross that line
at points in time, and-
Where's the line?
I don't know sometimes.
The line is when
I'm getting abused online.
I've probably been too hard
that night, and-
or when I'm trying to walk out
of Balmoral,
and I'm almost on my deathbeds,
but-
but yeah, no, like, I-
you know, I play my game
like that,
and I-
it's-
it's a bit of-
to motivate myself,
but also to play
this mental game,
like, I want to see
a few of you arrive,
I want to see a few
you came to play,
and, you know,
it's a-
it's one of those things,
you just go at each other,
and-
and if someone wants
to do it back to me,
I love it, like,
I'm not going to sit there
and cry about it,
or complain about it,
like, I'm like, oh-
You just try not to make
eye contact with them,
mate, everyone.
Yeah, yeah, like,
it's, you know,
one of those things,
you just want to, like,
get into it,
stuck into it,
like, me, Jared,
like, Jared played
the Roosters,
and, like, we were-
no, we obviously
went on camp together,
and he's like,
run here, you little,
you know-
Jared, get in the car.
Yeah, and I was like,
yeah, come on out,
you know, I love that
confrontation,
like, and it's part of
who I am, I think,
and as long as that
stays on the field,
and I'm a dick on the field,
and whatever on the field,
that's alright,
but as soon as I cross
the white line back in,
I'm a man first,
I'm a partner to my missus,
and I'm a good son
for my mother,
and I'm a good man
in my community, so-
I hate when, like,
I know fans in there
want way more access,
but, like,
it's almost the old,
like, what happens
on the field
stays on the field.
That's, well,
we come through that way,
it's still like that to me,
like-
You'd have a spray education.
You are the person
who's not necessarily
who you are as a player,
like, Mickey Ennis
is a perfect example,
right?
Everyone hated him
on the field, right?
But, like,
he doesn't drink
off the field,
he's the best dad,
he's got all his children,
he's quiet,
he's humble off the field,
and I remember
when I first met him,
I was so shocked
because I had
this perception of him
or what I thought he'd be like,
I thought he'd be
an old school knockabout,
see you at the pub
after training sort of guy
because that's how
he'd come through
the Newcastle system,
and he's a teetotaler,
you know,
he was completely,
completely different,
but then when he
crosses that line,
the whistle's on,
the competition comes out,
you know,
it changes people,
and to be fair,
if you didn't have that
sense of competition
in you as an athlete,
you wouldn't make it anyway,
like,
you wouldn't have that fire
to do it.
It comes out in different ways
in different people,
and you can see it a lot,
but you need to have
that ultimate competitive spirit
to be an athlete,
otherwise,
you're not going
to be successful
because at some stage
in a game of rugby league
or in any game,
like,
it's either,
it's me or you,
right?
And it's like,
if you want to win,
you've got to pick yourself,
so I'll tell you
a funny story about him
when he first came in,
like,
he's always chirping
at training in the team,
he's got that in him.
It's good because
he brings the energy,
he's a lot of,
you know what it's like,
middle of winter,
Tuesday,
everyone's,
you know,
mid-year,
everyone's a bit banged up,
and then you're just
searching for something,
and he's one of our,
he's one of our guys,
and he's one of our
emotional guys
who really drives
the sessions,
and sometimes he does
slip over to the,
all right,
maybe just ease up
on his chirp,
yeah,
his chirp,
so in his first year
or second year
of playing the Dragons
at Cogra,
I don't know who he's into,
he's put,
or maybe the young,
he's the young half,
he's like,
got into him
after a tackle,
and then we ran down
the field,
and we scored a try,
and he's given him
another chirp
on the way through,
and then Tyson Frizzell
like,
comes up,
and Frizz is like
one of the best players,
and I play with him
at the Sharks
in Origin and stuff,
and then I grab Tyson,
I go,
yeah, man,
that's all right,
just leave him,
he's just young,
he goes,
you better tell him
to shut up,
man,
he's going too far,
I said,
don't worry,
man,
I train with him
every day,
I know,
he's been a couple times,
I said,
everyone,
that's enough,
so it's good,
he's a competitor,
he's good for us,
like,
we love that energy,
and sometimes
that's what it takes,
man.
Funny thing,
bro,
we did this,
when Sean was at our club
and he used to do
this double drop play,
and I was playing
on the right edge
at that time,
and Wader was still
on the left edge,
and we did this
double drop,
and Wader's like,
he's not a test match,
he's just like,
fuck boys,
just get me to Saturday,
and you know,
I'm already at Saturday
by then,
and so we did this
double drop play,
and I go straight through
the whole way
like Moise and Wader was,
but Wader's just chilling,
and I go straight through,
and I'm carrying on,
grade three carry on,
and he turns around,
and I heard,
all I hear is,
oh,
you better bring that
on fucking Saturday,
then I was like,
you better bring that
play out on Saturday,
it's like,
I better,
I better have a good game
this week,
because I think Wader's
going to be like,
you're going to train
like Taze,
play like Jane.
Yeah,
what's it like,
and obviously you've
had some moments
where you've dropped
the ball over the line,
who palmed you
a couple weeks ago?
Uncle Fowdy,
bro,
maybe,
he's the fool.
yeah,
obviously,
like,
how do you bounce back
from that,
it just doesn't bother you?
Oh,
like,
you know,
I get out training,
bro,
and I'll trip,
and like,
Wader's,
this is Wader's,
like,
see,
this is what I mean
by he's been a pillar for us,
so he's always saying,
if you're going to live
that life,
you fucking,
like,
you live by the sword,
you die by the sword,
so,
if you're going to be able
to give people shit
when you do things to them,
you better be able to take it
if someone's going to do it,
so,
when I got offended,
when I put my hand out,
like,
first of all,
you know,
I'm disappointed,
obviously,
that I couldn't get right,
but,
like,
you go on with life,
like,
I'm going to go home,
play my game,
enjoy myself,
like,
it doesn't bother,
like,
I don't want to do it again,
like,
I'm not saying I don't care,
like,
it's not the point,
I don't care,
fuck it,
like,
it doesn't mean anything,
it's,
it's like,
alright,
like,
address it there,
finish it there,
and just make that,
like,
kind of the last time,
and then go home,
relax,
and home's home,
work's work,
kind of thing,
so.
That's,
that's,
like,
pretty,
like,
like,
mature mentality,
eh?
Because I remember,
like,
we were younger,
like,
it was kind of,
everything was everything,
you know what I mean?
We've been around,
you've been around a lot longer
than I have in the football game,
but,
is it weird just seeing,
like,
how professional young followers,
obviously it's a great thing,
but,
you know what I'm saying?
It's changed,
it has changed a lot,
obviously,
but it's funny,
like,
every generation's going to say
it's changed,
I remember when we first came in,
it was like,
it's changed a lot from then too,
from the older guys,
but,
I think for us,
like,
we were only at the start of social media,
oh,
I know Facebook and that was around,
but we were only just sort of starting
through social media,
so,
and we were still at the,
we still had the ability,
you know,
to almost,
you didn't have to leave,
you could leave your phone at home almost
when we were like 22,
23,
you didn't really necessarily need
to take your phone out,
like,
we'd get to the pub
and we'd have our time
and we would have that separation
even though we all
stayed at different clubs,
you know,
that time spent with each other
was our separation
and was sort of our way
to recalibrate
and say,
okay,
but maybe I was feeling bad
about yesterday's game,
but hang on a minute,
I'm hanging out with my five guys
from,
you know,
three other different teams
and it's all good,
like,
it's all good
and then you,
so then you go home,
you sleep that night,
you wake up in the morning,
oh,
yeah,
things are good,
let's go,
like,
new week,
but it's harder for the young boys,
especially if they're on their phone
all the time,
social media,
to get away from it
because you're always,
it's always there,
right,
and with all the content
that's coming out,
whether it's Twitter
or Instagram
or,
you know,
Foxy's reporting,
Nile's reporting,
you've got yourself
talking stuff,
like,
guys,
I follow,
who are my friends
are even talking about footy now,
you need to have
that separation
and you need to have
that,
that ability to,
like,
of course you're going to feel,
like,
when you don't play well,
you're going to feel,
like,
shit,
and,
like,
you need to look at the game,
that's always been like that,
no one's a harsh critic
on yourself than you are,
you know when you've had a bad game
and you know,
you're waiting for that session
on,
that video session on Monday,
you've probably had a couple
of looks at it,
you've had a couple of looks
at it on your own,
but at some point
there needs to be a cut off
where you go,
okay,
that's gone
because it's on again this week,
it's on again this week,
it's on again the next week,
it's on again the next week,
and if you can't have
that separation,
and the same thing
when you win too,
you need to have
that separation,
that win's gone,
like,
it doesn't matter,
no one cares,
it's over.
How long can you celebrate it for?
Just the night or?
I,
like,
day off,
next day,
I think for me,
we normally,
we do recovery the next day,
so whether it's a swim
and a stretch
and then some video,
and then into a day off,
so you have that sort of
that arvo
into that next day,
that's when you sort of
even celebrate it,
like that arvo
is when you celebrate
or get over it,
that next day for me now
is family time
or doing what I,
like,
need to do,
or the young boys
are sort of,
that's your actual day off,
where you don't really
need to worry about
next week prep,
and you don't need to worry
about what's happened
because it's gone,
but then on Tuesday morning,
it's on again,
like.
Yeah,
that's probably one thing
I struggled with,
like,
early in my career
was,
like,
the boys knew
what to do,
right,
and I was just always here,
like,
and I was just redlining
all the time,
and I don't know,
I wouldn't worry
about it,
but breaking it,
probably,
like,
I would get to,
like,
halfway through the year,
and I was just mentally drained,
like,
I was like,
man,
how did you guys
work for 15 years
or 10 years,
you know,
and I was just redlining
the whole time,
but then as I've gotten,
like,
kind of old
and just learning
off the older boys
and how they go
about their days
and how to manage it,
I'm kind of getting better,
like,
I know,
like,
flush that,
it's a new week,
let's go again,
and that's probably one thing
that transition period
and is what I really struggled with,
like,
redlining that game
and then having to try
I think now that,
now it's getting a bit older.
Yeah,
well,
it takes time,
it takes time for everyone,
like,
and you can be told
so many times,
like,
this is how you do it
or this is what you need to do
or try and do this,
but you need to live it
and do it yourself,
like,
that's that old saying,
like,
you're not a first grader
until you've played 100 games
because you have all those
lessons that you need to learn
to what it takes
to be consistent
because it's a hard sport,
man,
like,
it's a hard game,
everyone,
you know,
you might be a good player
but you're coming up
against good players every week,
good teams,
every week,
so,
as soon as you can sort of
give yourself the best opportunity
to,
you know,
be consistent
and to prep well,
like,
you give yourself the best opportunity
as a team to play well
on the weekend.
You said Josh Hanna
is great at identifying
current trends,
what's the,
what's changed from 10 years ago
to now,
like,
what's the big ones for you?
My one for me,
the biggest one would be,
like,
the momentum in the game,
you've always been able
to feel the momentum
in the game
when you're playing against it
or playing with it,
you can feel it,
but the swings now
are so large
because of how,
how much faster the game's got
with the six again
and the rule changes,
I mean,
there's less at start,
there's more ball in play,
so when you're against it,
like,
if you haven't got the momentum,
you can,
like,
you can feel it even more now,
that's why we can see,
like,
the Warriors games,
yeah,
you can feel it,
like,
it's never been,
like,
as big,
and it's a factor in all sports,
you know,
ours has never been a different,
and you could sort of feel it,
but you could feel,
like,
in periods of the game
where it's hanging in the balance,
I feel like those periods
are less now
in our game
because the momentum's
either with you
or against you,
and it's trying,
as a team,
it's trying to,
like,
when you don't have momentum,
trying to fight for it back.
How do you fight for it back?
Well,
it's either your system as a team,
like,
your belief as a team,
like,
just staying in the,
staying in the fight
when you don't have it,
or it comes up to your individual players,
like,
you see a player come up
with a good kick
or a big run
or make a break
or a combination,
they'll make a break
or whatever,
or a big shot
to force an error,
like,
it's an individual play,
but,
like,
like I said,
you'll know yourself
when you were,
you know,
half,
you could always feel
when you had the momentum,
like,
you just could feel it,
it was easy,
and you could feel it
when it changed
and you didn't have it,
now those swings
are even bigger,
like,
you could feel those even more,
so.
Do you reckon they,
like,
the top coaches
are starting to time
those little swings
and,
like,
you know,
a lot of people
get into detail,
of like,
oh,
we've got momentum,
like,
based off fucking current trends,
roughly last about five or six sets
or something along those lines,
or is that,
is that just getting too detailed?
you know,
I think that there would be
coaches that explain that
in their way
and they would understand it,
but ultimately
it comes down to the team,
right,
the coach isn't out there
with you
on the field
when the game's happening,
so you need to recognise
that as a team,
you know,
when you don't have momentum
and it's okay,
well,
let's just roll the sleeves up here
and get through this tough period.
Chez does it well,
he does it well,
he does it well.
He does it well.
Be under the pump,
boom,
40-20.
That's why,
that's why I like those,
it's hard to replace
an older,
experienced half
with such a good kicking game
because they can feel it,
right,
they can feel when it's like,
we haven't got momentum here,
so they'll actually
pull out of the sets,
boys,
just give me three or four
tough hit-ups
and I'll kick you into a spotty
or I'll have a crack at a 40-20,
they can feel it
and it might take them
three sets
to finally get that opportunity
in the right spot of the field
when they can have a shot
at the 40-20,
but,
yeah.
Teddy's still in the pocket
organising the DEA
and just swings around,
bang.
Guarantee they've been thinking
of it for the last,
you know,
couple of sets
because they can feel like,
oh,
we're not getting easy metres here
or we,
you know,
our fullback's not catching
the ball on the full,
so that's another way
that I gauge for them,
like,
if your fullback catches
on the full
and brings it back,
like,
the good experienced halves,
they'd be knowing,
right,
we're on front footy,
get it to a point in two plays
and we'll have a shot
at something,
but,
like you said,
those old experienced halves
understand it.
Um,
so when I think
back in the day
where,
like,
if we had good ball
we could throw,
like,
two decent shots,
like,
that'd be kind of classless,
like a good set,
you haven't really wasted your set,
I watch you guys play,
you guys can go,
like,
like that,
I think that's a big trend
that's changed a lot too
and obviously you need personnel
in there
and your 7-6-1
are pretty elite.
Yeah,
I think with the fatigue
and that that's come into the game
and the momentum,
um,
it's not so much about,
you know,
it's actually allowed
the footy players
to come back into the game
and about those guys
to just see space,
count numbers and play,
like,
before when it was
less fatigue,
so much structure
and even so much structure
in defence,
everything was really structured
because you need to,
you know,
all these set plays
to try and pull teams apart
because they were set,
defensive lines were set,
there wasn't as much fatigue.
Now sometimes
it's a,
it's just a simple
pass,
pass,
pass,
strip everyone to win
because you're out on your feet
because the momentum
has been going for so long.
Um,
so I feel like it's allowed
the guys,
like,
we have,
we have Nico and Mujo,
right,
and even Will Kay,
they're not really
technical ball,
ball players,
are they?
They're over the ad line,
they're fast,
they're challenger
with their run
and because they're challenger
with their run
and their speed
over the ad line
creates opportunity
for the outside,
so that's our,
that's our style
and it's because of our style,
like,
our guys are those style
of players.
Like,
if we had Adam Reynolds
at halfback,
you know,
our style would change
just to that player,
so.
Fuck,
you've got some strikeout
on the edge too,
obviously,
probably my favourite
winging combination
in the comp,
like,
I had Liotta
and Fischer,
like,
these are my favourite
props in the comp,
like,
very similar,
like,
safe,
strong carry,
good under the high ball,
yeah,
and obviously,
you've got some guys
inside you too,
Ramien and Sif.
What's he like,
bro,
what's he like?
It's funny,
man,
he's probably like
our particular,
he's always like
our bodyguard,
like,
can he fight?
He can fight,
man,
I don't want to test
him either,
but he's,
he's like a journeyman,
you know what I mean,
like,
he's been through it all,
he's seen probably
some shit that
no one else has
and he's probably,
he's gone the track
of the bad way
and found out
what it's like
to go down that track,
so.
What's he done?
Oh,
no,
just like,
obviously,
he stuffed up at training,
got fired,
got sacked from South,
then went down that pathway
and obviously,
you know,
how,
you know,
everyday living,
learning what it was like
to get a job again
because he came straight
out of high school
into the NRL system
and had all this money,
right,
so,
and this is a kid
that didn't know
what to do with any of that
and so he lost his way
then obviously come back
and,
I think he's matured now,
he's got kids now,
so.
There's not many guys
that go the other way,
like,
they usually start at set
and roll in,
he's gone the other way around,
that's the dream.
Exactly,
he just,
yeah,
he went the hard way
and actually found out,
you know,
what it took again
and,
nah,
it's just,
he's one of those players,
man,
that.
It's funny,
see if at training,
like,
we do heaps of like,
Fitzy loves jiu-jitsu,
like,
so we do heaps of grappling.
He's in there too,
hasn't he?
He is in there,
he's good.
He's good.
You flip him?
Nah.
But Sif,
so Sif,
talk about like,
cruising,
he likes to just do
what he needs to do
in that sort of area,
but if someone goes hard
at him,
he's like,
alright then,
like,
if you want to tone it up,
let's go up
and then he's so strong
in that room.
Oh,
for sure.
Yeah,
he's probably,
lucky he's not test matched.
All the boys just say,
oh,
thank God he's not.
Yeah,
just pat him on the back,
keep him happy.
Keep him happy,
you're alright,
you're alright,
how you feeling?
Yeah,
all good.
Yeah,
I played with a guy
called the G-Train,
you've got a guy there now,
Dale Finucane,
what's the difference
in leadership type
and what's the similarities
in leadership type?
Because they're both
a bit tapped, eh?
Yeah,
well,
Gowza's alright,
Gowza was like,
we talk about,
like,
Dale is like,
full tilt all the time.
That's red light.
It's red light all the time.
Like,
Monday,
don't care how sore he is,
rocks up.
Rehab.
Rehab,
red light,
recovery,
red light.
He's on like,
as soon as like,
he walks into a game,
he eats,
it's on.
He's full tilt.
Cam McInnes is the same.
Actually,
he's got a little bit
zen this year.
Yeah,
but Cam walks to training.
You know how he walks to training
and mission walks
with his headphones on.
I said,
bro,
drive your car,
man.
So he's,
how fast does he walk?
He tries to say
it's a 10 minute walk.
I said,
if you're running,
mate.
So Dale's full tilt
all the time.
That's just how he's wired,
he's programmed,
like,
as soon as he's in,
he's on.
He's warming up
in the gym before anyone.
He's got his routine,
he gets strapped up,
he's got all this,
you know,
he knows what works for him.
It's a process.
He goes through that process
every day
at 100 miles an hour.
But Gowza was more,
certainly,
you know,
he was a bit more redline
when he was younger
when I first started with him,
but he sort of grew
into that leadership role.
The more he got,
like,
to the back end
of his career,
he calmed down a bit
and he wasn't 100 miles an hour,
but he was more,
he was fine
to just float around,
but a bit like Sifala,
as soon as someone
challenged him,
he takes that personal
like,
everything's personal
if it's a one-on-one battle.
He would still try
and race Val
and Benny Barber
over 10 metres
at the back end of his career
because they call him out
and he would go 100%
or try and cheat
or, like,
get them off the side
or whatever,
like,
just,
he's so competitive.
Yeah.
And you see it
in his boxing matches,
like,
even the back end,
like,
when,
you know,
you know he slowed down
half a step,
he just refuses,
like,
he has just that
inner thing,
he just refuses to give up
or refuses to
let someone
put it over him
even though he just
toughs it out to the end,
right?
And that was Gowsey,
he never said too much,
like,
he always spoke,
like,
spoke about the game,
he obviously played a while
but it was more
just follow,
like,
do as I do,
like,
don't worry about
what I'm saying,
just follow me.
Yeah,
and catch this offload.
Yeah,
and then,
like,
his toughness
just showing through,
like,
there was no one,
he's getting a dressing shirt
and you look around
and he's lacing his boots up,
you know,
well,
he's on for the fight here
for the whole time.
Yeah.
And Dale has that
about him too,
don't get me wrong,
he plays the game
hard and tough,
he probably speaks
a little bit more
than Gow did.
Yeah.
Oh,
really?
Yeah,
he'd come from
that Melbourne system,
like,
probably,
you know,
really well coached
by Craig
and understands
the tricks
around the footy field.
Yeah.
He speaks
and he helps
the young guys out
in those areas
with some
bumpers and everything.
You got the bumpers
all doomed,
that dude.
And Gow's was more just,
yeah,
he just was tough,
man.
We would,
um,
I remember when,
like,
our coach would give us
this,
like,
a 90 when I played
with him,
he'd give us
this massive rundown
about the opposition
and blah,
blah,
blah,
blah.
And then,
like,
just before we go out,
he'd get us in the heart,
he goes,
F all that,
just go out,
tackle hard,
run hard,
and then just run off
and then we'll all
just follow through,
oh,
that must be
the recipe then.
I think,
like,
to be fair,
it's a good way
to,
um,
to think,
like,
because,
for me,
as a player,
and we know,
like,
you can do all the
game planning you want,
right,
and prep on the opposition
and game plan yourself,
and that all,
you need all that detail,
right,
you need all that detail,
you need it in the back
of your head
so you can execute
on the field,
but unless you get
the basics of our game
right at the start,
unless you're running hard
and you're tackling hard,
you're winning the collision,
you're losing the collision,
throw all the details
out the window
because it's not going
to work.
You need to give the game
the respect
that it's deserved
for,
however,
that long a spin around,
and you need to get
your physical commitment
in the right place,
otherwise,
you put all the trick shots,
you know,
keep them in the back pocket
because they don't
want to come out.
That was Gals.
That was Gals.
That was Gals' game.
That was Gals'.
And if you put your energy
and your commitment
in the right spot
and you play the game
the right way,
well,
then the details come out,
you go,
okay,
I know they set three
down that short side
if we send a back rower in
so you tip your fullback up,
or I know if we get
to this position,
you know,
the fullback's going to plug
so there might be
a chance to swing
The detail only comes out
if you give yourself
the right opportunity
and the way you give yourself
the opportunity
is to respect the game
and, you know,
the physical commitment
is where it starts.
He would run for like
200 metres
and he's almost 40.
He'd come,
like,
just get out there,
run for 200 metres,
come back on the bench
and just be like,
oh,
work's done today.
Like,
I was just looking at him,
what the hell,
you're a maniac.
He's got that,
suddenly he's tapped
in his ear.
Yeah,
you see it in the fights,
like,
obviously,
he was like,
what do you say,
polarised,
people,
polarised people,
right?
You either loved him
if you were a Sharkies fan,
you know,
you hated him
if you were a Queenslander,
probably if you didn't like,
like,
any other team you were neutral,
you didn't really like him
because of that persona
but by the end of his boxing,
like,
whether you liked him or not,
even boxers,
by the end,
everyone just goes,
you've got to give him
the man that he deserves,
like,
he's just,
his will and his determination
and just toughness,
it's just like.
Is that pay packet legit?
That he,
you know,
he said I've made like
23 million and.
I think that's like
the gross that they made
all up,
like.
Oh,
okay.
The revenue,
but he did well out of it.
Like,
he'd earn more,
like,
he would earn.
You boys are off the
double.
Is that number close?
I think it's the rev.
Yeah,
it's the rev,
yeah.
But he would've like,
he would've,
he would've probably,
I don't want to say triple,
I would say double,
lean towards triple
with what he earned.
Playing footy.
His whole playing career.
Oh,
wow.
He's smart,
he's tight ass
with his pockets.
He's so smart with his money.
Smart with his money,
tight ass.
He owns half of Canola,
yeah.
Yeah,
good on him.
He'd like.
He doesn't want to say it.
I don't want to speak out of school.
He won't tell you that,
he'll just be like,
yeah,
yeah.
I know,
I know,
like,
I know a couple of his investments
and I won't speak out of school
because he's one of my good mates,
but he's,
I'm talking like almost generational stuff
for his kids.
Oh,
good on him.
He's done well.
Yeah,
that's very smart.
What stops you boys
from winning a comp this year?
Hopefully nothing.
Can you feel it?
Can you,
like,
when you're.
Mate,
we're building the right,
like,
for sure we're going into a good period.
That's why I said,
like,
before earlier,
like,
I'm excited for not just this year,
but,
you know,
the next five years.
Like,
we,
if the club gets it right,
which they're doing,
they obviously have Fitzy at the top there
looking after everything he's experienced.
He understands the game.
We've got a good group of young guys
who are just coming into their best.
It's exciting for someone like me
who's given a lot of time to the club
to see how good a shape it's in.
For this year,
you know,
there's no doubt
we need to fix up our defence.
You know,
at times when we've been under pressure,
we've leaked too many easy tries
and you just can't do that.
Like,
we talk about the momentum swings.
Like,
you can not have the momentum,
but somehow you're going to find a way
to stop tries.
Because when you do get the ball
and the momentum go your way,
that's your opportunity to find tries.
So,
we've let ourselves down.
You know,
in a few games,
you know,
the Warriors,
the second half,
Dolphins,
up at Magic Round.
It's the worst feeling
when someone's going to,
like,
you can feel someone chopping you down.
It's a lonely place.
You can say whatever you want to,
but you can feel it.
It's a lonely place.
You can feel it like that.
The snowball,
you're just on your heels
and you just go,
you feel like,
is it like 13 on one here?
But we're trending.
We're only halfway through this year.
What have we got?
We're not even halfway,
you know,
are we?
I think we're still,
probably a couple of weeks off
being halfway.
So,
I think we give up.
You want to time it too,
don't you?
I think we give ourselves a pass
for where we are.
Yeah.
And that's even,
you know,
even with those games
we've let ourselves down.
Like,
we were really disappointed
with Magic Round.
Like,
that was just,
that sort of,
didn't see that coming.
Yeah.
So,
it was sort of a really,
really tough,
you know,
bit of pill to swallow.
And then the Warriors game
hurt us too.
Like,
Will Crews,
and it's probably the best
footy you've played in ages
that first half.
And then they came home
and they just,
you know,
they just out-competed us
really in that second half.
So,
that was a hard one.
Yeah.
But,
you know,
even those two performances,
I think we're going okay.
Yeah.
But,
if we want to be serious
at the end of the year,
like when it counts,
we still need some improvement,
particularly in defence.
Got time, bro.
Mm.
Yeah.
You,
do you have a mindset coach?
Yep.
Yeah,
yes,
I work with a guy,
Simon.
How'd you get into that?
I was just like,
my manager and my mum,
like,
they were just like,
oh,
what do you think about,
you know,
talking to a mindset coach
kind of thing and,
like,
just have a look at it,
see how it goes.
And so,
we just sat,
organised the meeting.
I just sat in there.
I didn't really know what to expect.
Just sat down and just said,
oh,
you know,
it can go good or it can go bad.
You know,
what's the worst that could happen?
It's worth a try.
And I did that,
sat down with him
and I really enjoyed it.
I obviously like talking to people.
I like communicating
and I'm not one that's shy
of expressing my feelings
of how I feel
and if I'm feeling sad,
I'll tell people I'm sad.
If I'm feeling happy,
I'll tell people I'm happy.
So,
when I,
when obviously,
when the opportunity came up
and presented itself,
I just took it with two hands
and just thought,
you know,
why not get something out of it
and I played some of my best footy so far
while having them.
What's a couple of the things
that you've learnt from that?
Redlining myself all the time
and just like my mindset
and making errors.
Like I debuted,
I went dog shit.
That was hard.
That was hard game.
I'm still pissed off at myself about it.
Like Anthony Milford
kicked bad the whole year
and then just had a beauty blinder against me.
But to be fair to you,
he was 80.
Man.
Yeah.
Had him prepped him for that.
The last minute,
it's like,
never played wing.
Yeah, he's prepped
and he gets stuck in like.
Oh, you'd never played wing?
Never played wing.
I was always a centre fullback.
Yeah.
Played in the middle a bit.
But yeah,
like I,
so then my debut was rubbish
and then I played for Salmore
in that 19 year.
Rubbish.
And so like,
I was starting to think
I was the problem
in all these teams.
Dufty beat me up that short.
Dufty beat me down the short side.
Rubbish.
So I had these like,
just these mind things
in my thing
that thinking like,
when one thing went wrong,
I just compounded it
and I just thought,
like,
what is this like?
What's,
what's going on
is in my mindset
going into these games.
So I wanted to ice that out
and then
when I got the chance,
I spoke to him,
I was just open with him.
I said,
I'm starting to think
I'm the problem
in these big games,
like in these games
that are important to me,
my milestone games.
And so we spoke about it
and he's like,
man,
if you make an error,
your mindset shouldn't waver.
Your mindset is dominate
every time,
like whether something's wrong
or right.
You've got that personality
that you want to dominate.
Like,
and I am that person
that I just want to dominate
in anything I do,
whether it's,
like I said,
gaming,
anything like that.
And so he just tapped into that
and my mentality
and probably a lot
of gratitude stuff as well.
And like I said,
I come from nothing
and I get given
all these things
and I start to forget
who I am
or what I've got given
and the opportunity
I've been given.
And so tapping back
into gratitude
was a massive thing for me.
I just watched an interview
of you
growing up in garages.
Yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
So like that type of thing
and I don't know,
there's probably kids out there
that have done that
in the NRL already
and just haven't spoken
about it yet,
but I'm comfortable
enough to say obviously
and yeah,
just things like that.
You know,
I wanted to practice
my like practice gratitude
and I text,
I remember my first session
after it,
I text my mom
and said,
hey mom,
I'm really grateful for you.
Thank you so much
for everything
and I love you.
And that's,
you know,
those little things like that.
And so now
if something does go wrong,
like I said,
I drop a ball
at the halfway period
kind of thing.
I went down to the cafe
on Monday
and I just wrote out
my gratitude,
wrote out,
you know,
how my year's been so far
and I was pretty honest
and the paper doesn't judge you
so I just went hard on myself
and like Wade,
I said,
you're your own toughest critic
and I went,
I'm probably inconsistent
for the,
for where I want to be
and I'm not too happy,
I'm not too sad
about how I've been playing
but like I want to turn it up
a notch
just back another year
and if I'm serious
about this team
and how much
the group of men
mean to me.
Yeah.
Because I,
I tell my parents all the time
and my family,
I like,
I genuinely,
I genuinely love my teammates,
I genuinely care about them
and it's like a,
it's weird
because I spend
probably more time with them
than anyone else
in my family
or things like that
and they probably know more
than,
than about me
than any of my family
and that's a,
that's a bit weird.
Are you getting up too,
mister?
Yeah,
yeah,
so I'm lonely nights
but yeah,
nah,
I've got so much respect
for the group of men
in our team
and I've got so much
admiration
and for the leaders
and the coaching staff
and,
and I just,
way to,
I remember one of the boys
rocked up late
and something that stuck with me
was like,
he goes,
why is your time more important
than my time
with my kids and that?
Yeah.
And like,
I was just sitting there,
I was thinking about it.
It wasn't me in trouble,
I should have been in trouble
but I was thinking,
I was like,
fuck,
like,
that's a,
that's like,
that's one of those things
that sting you like,
Yeah.
because like,
he obviously wants to go
take his kids to school
and preschool
and be with his partner
and like,
all the other boys do
but why is my 30 minute sleep
and mean more to him,
like mean more than his reason
so,
that was a pretty good lesson
as well
and just little things like that
and I try and pick up around,
around the club.
I've got some notes in here
about finances,
you live off 350 bucks a week,
is that?
Yeah,
yeah,
so I had to lift it up
because the inflation's,
brother.
Inflation's,
man,
they're getting me the gas,
I had to ask for an extra 50 bucks
for the gas on their diesel.
Yeah,
obviously being an Islander boy,
we don't get taught finances,
I think a lot of blue collar kids
coming through
don't get taught about money
because we're taught
it's rude to talk money
at the table
or ask people for money.
Where's all this just come from?
Yeah,
mum as well.
Mum seems pretty switched on.
She seems pretty switched on
and like I know,
I obviously want generational wealth
for my kids
and my partner
and I live off 400 a week,
had to bump up the extra 50
for the gasses
but yeah,
like I,
obviously if I need something
or if I'm going out with the boys
and I do want to enjoy my time,
I do take out probably 100,
200 bucks for beers
and stuff like that
but like yeah,
that's,
all my bills are paid
for,
I don't see it
but I do have access
to all my accounts
so I can see what's going on
and actually,
now that it came about,
I'm going to sound like
I'm freaking
Wado's son here
but Wado,
I asked Wado about it.
You've always been good with money,
yeah.
Yeah,
so.
I wish I'd have been
a bit better when I was younger
but I've always,
I've always had a good time
but I always did well with it too
because we looked after it
but that,
that was my biggest advice
to,
I think what Ronnie was about to say
because I've like,
there's been a few boys
like Brayden and Toby
and a couple of other young boys
always say like,
get yourself,
like a finance guy
that you trust
that you can see everything
that's happening
that you trust
because they,
for me,
they just organise you.
They give you a basic understanding
of,
you know,
money coming in,
money going out,
saving,
investing.
Because I remember you
always being like,
on the phone like,
hey mate,
can we like,
you're still like,
yeah.
I remember that.
Oh,
are you alright?
So I was 300 a week as well
back in the day
and then,
like,
so me and my manager
used to solely look after my money
and I was 300 a week
all the time
and I was stretched for a while
because when I moved
from Penrith,
I bought a house.
I was lucky to start with
because I debuted as a teenager.
I was living at home
with my mum and dad
so I had all this money saved
like instantly pretty much
and it was back then,
I bought my first house
for $460,000.
In Glenmore?
In Glenmore Park,
that house.
And then there was
first homebuyers grant
so I didn't even need that much.
I think I had a deposit saved
in my first year of first grade
because I played that
eight games,
the matches
and I was living at home
with mum and dad
going to school.
I didn't have any expenses
but then when I moved to Kurnala
Look at you,
that's rude.
That's crazy, eh?
So I travelled for a year
to Kurnala,
rented in,
remember I was in Maroubra
there with Roms?
Yeah, yeah.
So I did that for a year
and the whole time
I was looking for a house
and this was like
pretty much two years
after I bought the Glenmore house
but the boy house in Kurnala
I was looking at $850,000
that was like my stretch
and you could only get
units and that for there
or shitty blocks
and I looked for,
I must have looked at
30,
35 different places
over there
over 18 months
until I finally found
the one that I still have now
and at the time
I stretched myself
I had to sell the one
at Glenmore
I wasn't on
you know,
massive money
and I was stretching myself
even the $300 a week
sometimes I had to
bring up the manager
and he'd dip some of his own money
to me just so I could
get through the week
but then the following year
I upgraded
I signed,
I extended and upgraded
and it was like
a massive relief
because the $300
wasn't just
set in stone then
but I went
probably $12,
$12,
$18 a month
where the $300
was actually all I had
so I was like
it was good right
because you know
when you stretch yourself
and you grind
when you finally get
through that period
the same thing actually
happened to me in COVID too
because I bought
a couple of other things
and then
it was a 20% deposit
so I pretty much
whacked up a heap
of my savings
and where I have
all my other money
is in the socks
and that was hemorrhaging
so I couldn't pull
any money out of that
so me and the missus
actually just buckled down
lucky she's quite
frugal herself
so we buckled down
for a while
but then post COVID
it actually turned out
to be the best thing ever
because we grinded
for 12 months
got through
houses went up
stocks came back
it was good
it was a hard period
but it was a good period
and I think
when you're young
if you have a finance guy
who gives you a budget
teaches you the basic skills
of you know
money in money out
investing
you learn the grind
like you learn
the reason behind grinding
you go okay
$300 is enough
I don't need $300
because every time
I dip into the other side
it takes something
away from anywhere
and once you're organised
and understand it
I think you see value in it
once you understand it
you understand the value
behind it
so when
it's good that all these
Ronnie's got a finance guy
Brady's got a finance guy
Toby's got a young guy
well Blake is a bit different
because he's with his brother
and he's an old man
but they're all buying houses
like Nico just bought a house
it's like for me
as an older guy
it's like good
they're doing the right thing
with their money
you see it going
to the right place
and you know what
if you're doing that
or if you want to go out
and have a beer
and do what you want to do
on the side
that's okay
you're allowed to have
a good time as well
as long as the rest
is working for you
while you're getting there
because
just have some pre-drinks
at home
just sit there
busy as ever
going away to his house
give to his fridge
and then he's out
that's what we do
and get kicked out
every time
three times
got kicked out
all three
yeah
but that's actually
a really important part
because obviously
being Samoan
like I said
we ain't taught about money
and it's changed
my parents used to go
save, save, save
and save for retirement
but that doesn't really
work anymore
I learned like
saving is just like
sitting in the banks
not really doing anything
see how he's kind of
spread his money out
you would have done the same
like putting into stocks
real estate
and finding it
making your money
work for you
is probably the biggest thing
that I've been trying to learn
I think the word saving too
sounds boring
yeah
investing
like I'm investing
for my future
something like that
so that's like
that's what I've kind of learned
even learning off him
when he showed me
like
how his bank accounts work
like he comes from
a humble heart
when you're showing me
like he's got money
I was like
so when he was showing me
he's like
this is how I break it down
this is it
I was probably just looking
at these numbers
he got a loan
he didn't give me a loan
but just to see that
and how far
like why it has come
he's a westy boy
that's done well for himself
and worked hard at it
you know
and so
see again
I was lucky
because Gowza
taught me a lot
the way he did his stuff
and like
obviously Louis
these are all guys
who grew up the same way
that we do
but it's different
to what you learn
from your parents
because it's all about
when you're young
right
say pay your house off
pay your house off
pay your house off
there's no
you know
remortgage
or take like equity
what can I do with this
there's no
portfolio over here
there's none of that
it's all about just
paying your mortgage off
it's like
well hang on a minute
if I've got a
two million dollar house
and I own it
I'll borrow two million
to see if I can make some more
that's about understanding
you know
debt
and if you can
service the debt
so
but it's just
they're all lessons
you learn
like we all
like I learned on the run
from other players
who had been
in the same situation as me
and it's changed a lot now
the world's
on your phone
there's a lot more
things to do so
and guys are like
a lot more open
to what you're talking about
because I would like
say someone
like
back in our day
like
because he was like
comfortable with who he was
in his old skin
in his own skin
he would have had to
kind of conform
to what the team were doing
does that make sense
and then he gets like
a little bit shy
because he's not being
who he actually is
and then he's not comfortable
asking those type of questions
because I played with
a lot of Islander boys
and
they're all very shy
like it's
it's a bit of a
generational change
there's a lot more money
in the game now
yeah
you know
when we first started
I remember Petro
signed from the Broncos
and he signed for
350 I think
or 400
and that was like
Wayne Bennett
who doesn't sign props
more than 200 right
and Petro had played
30 origins in a row
and that was his payday
but now
you get a kid
come in and play
you know
a couple of seasons
and they've got potential
you know
you get a million
dollars
yeah
for sure
like and so
all of a sudden
if you don't have
the right processes
in place
to handle that sort of money
and
because you're not
going to get it
your whole life right
nah
that's the biggest thing
that I'm learning now
yep
is trying to subsidize
everything
like you know
all my expenses
that I've had
how much I'm geared up
how do I still make that work
now that I'm not on
the same salary
that I used to be
and you know
fortunately
I've you know
been doing it for a long time
so we're okay
but it's still
it's still a struggle
for me right
to live that same life
try and
you know
try and balance the books
pretty much
without that
monthly jamming
into the back pocket
you know
and there's a lot more
to manage now
so it's good
that the young guys
are open
and willing to talk about it
and get advice
and that's important
like him showing you
like what the money
brother
that's huge bro
that's a massive life
and he didn't make it
like the point of
like trying to be
that's probably what
I respected most
was like
he wasn't like
look at my money
like
bro
successful people do
like when I hang around
business people
like they'll open up
P&L sheets
or numbers
and like same thing
it's not
bro
I see something in you
and this is what
I want to teach you
I'm the same as you
like I start looking
at it
but then you didn't
bro
you generally
when you see it like that
you're like
fuck that could be me
yeah 100%
I feel like
if you see it
like he's just coming
from a bad place of it
like then that's
totally up to you
you know
probably
your thought process
on that
is probably the wrong way
that's on you
exactly
so when I was
every time I'm learning
I kind of
go in with
an open mind
of like
how can I
spin it in my way
or how can I
do it my way
and still learn
so I enjoy
the learning process
of things like that
and I used to
like because I was
on football
and you see the guys
get paid all the big money
and sort of stuff like that
and I used to be
in this mindset
of like
oh like
my little period's over
but now I'm past
that and out of it
bro there's no salary cap
in business
like what I earn
is up to me now
that's it
it's what you got
what can you do
with what you got
and what can I work at
to get some more luck
yeah
and I was hanging
around these dudes
that were super
successful
that are worth
like say
over 100 mil
and the same thing
bro
it changes your mindset
so when you go
from small town
into football
you see guys
on a couple hundred K
you think that's the ceiling
then you get out of football
and you see guys
like up here
you're like
oh shit
the ceiling's just
got a little bit bigger
well that's what's
pretty good
with my financial advisor
like when he goes
to a dinner
in Goldie
when I'm with my family
in there
he'll bring me
with his like
stockbrokers
the guys that own
ASX businesses
and so I'm mixing around
like some dude
was talking about
how a 75 million dollar
yacht got robbed
during COVID
and someone's driving
it down the highway
and someone's calling him
going why are you
going to the
yacht
and he's like
I didn't take my yacht out
so things like that
learning off those
type of people
and I appreciate him
for that as well
and that's why
I tell my mum
she's always the one
encouraging me
go sit down
just be all ears in there
and be a fly on the wall
and listen
take it in
and then
hopefully you get
the chance to do that
it's funny too
because like
athletes are very
they have goals
but they're very
short term goals
very short term goals
and you've got to
look at the value
especially if it comes
to that sort of stuff
you've got to be looking
10 years down the track
15 years down the track
or what it could be
obviously there's stuff
you can do in the intermediate
but
to get short term gain
but it's all about
time
time is getting in
putting the work in
which is what
how we're also
designed as well
we have that
work hard
get in
do your work
do what you need to do
but it's more
week to week
season to season goals
where
these things of life
are a lot
longer
you've got to be able
to see 5 years down the track
10 years down the track
and just
okay I'm willing to
live a little bit less now
or to take a little bit
of a hit now
or not do the things
I want to do now
because
in 10 years time
you see it
you understand it
but you need to live
through it to understand it
yeah you have to live
through it
I remember like
again I talk about
how long I looked
for that house
before mine
I was like
I got it for 860
and was stretched
that was in 2013
you look at it now
you go oh
if you knew now
what you knew back then
you'd play more for it
right
so it's just
it's time
it's experience
it's learning
and these guys
are just at the start
it's exciting to see
it's a good thing
like the old boys
because like
I'm not naive to the fact
that you live a short career
and you're lucky
to even get 10 years
or lucky to play
as long as Wader has
so I'm thinking
I want to get out
of this game safe
and my body
all working
I want to be able
to hold my kids
and be able to
be a father
and I want to have
my money as well
and get out
like that
and be able to
live a comfortable life
as well outside of it
so it's good
seeing these
like the older boys
coming to the back end
of their careers
kind of seeing
how they address it all
and how they've set
themselves up
and Wader has
and so I look at that
and go that's the example
there like
I want to be able
to get out
hold my kids
be with my kids
go to Canada
if I want to go to Canada
or wherever I want to go
and be able to
live a good life
go see Wader
there's actually
a sneaky part of me
like
because I'm close
to you guys
like I love the idea
of moving to Canada
where you know
there's a shit about footy
yeah
I could see myself
going over there
like in a couple years time
and just like
you boys talking here
in a couple years
like whatever happened
to Wader
he looked like a big
grizzly bear
in Canada
somewhere
whatever happened to him
he's like
oh the last I heard
he moved to Canada
like ice skating
on the lake
bro that's the cool thing
about like
once you get past
because like football
because it's always
in the same time period
so you've lived
the same cycle
for the last fucking ever
you know what I mean
so like
even like say
it's me next
I'll go to New York
next week
and I'm there
for like a month
so I'm there
and I'm like
I'm just going to park up
like
mate if you get jams
fly up to Montreal
man
go to house up in Montreal
you go up there
and stay on the lake
for a bit if you want
oh shit
you're going to ride
the kid
it's good mate
it's nice
it's different up there
I've been to Toronto
I went to catch up
go to Montreal man
Montreal's cool
before it gets frozen
too cold
Montreal's a nice city
see the bushfires
up there at the moment
it's just smoked
out the whole of New York
it's pretty crazy
it always has that stuff
over there
they probably say the same
about here
when we get our bushfires
but it's kind of weird
I feel like it's in LA
but mostly isn't it
the bushfires normally
yeah LA's
because it's so dry
but I think Canada's
like cold
it's weird
they've got bushfires
and shit
now it'd be
it'd be summer
over there
for them now
but like
imagine like the rocks
but
a bigger city
but built the same way
like old school
summer
like all the terraces
man they've got
rooftop terraces
it's a cool spot
if you're in New York
for a month
just pop up for a few days
in Montreal
might do
let me know where you're at
you can go up to
Mont-Tremblant
sat in the house
cool
see you
sounds good
you talk about players
getting money
and you're a big part
of the RLPA
and you've always
been for the boys
even like when you're young
you're going for bad
and not afraid
to have tough conversations
what's that whole experience
been like
especially
this past
however long it's been
yeah it's been good
I think like overall
because
I've learnt a lot
right
I sort of
I've always been
sort of actively involved
on the sidelines
just because
you know
I don't mind asking questions
I don't know
yeah
yeah
I'm like that too
I'll ask
if I think something like
this is how I think it should be
like and it's not that way
just tell me why it's not that way
help me
explain it
understand it
and then I go
okay well
okay that's fair enough
and then the COVID period
happened right
and when the COVID period
happened
the game shut down
I was like
the oldest
at the Sharks
then
and there's a lot of
uncertainty
whether we're playing again
you know
when we're training
like salaries
wages
whatever
so it was sort of
all hands on deck there
and I was involved
in all
pretty much all the meetings
even with Greenberg
before Valandis
sorry before
Andrew Abdo would come on
and Peter
sorry
Greenberg and Valandis
and then Abdo came in after
and then we worked
for all of that
the COVID periods
protocols
getting the game
back up and running
so then I was sort of
entrenched
so then when the next thing
rolled around
was like COVID
revisions
and then
the money coming back
into the game
because it wasn't as bad
I was
then I was already
I was already
I was on the board
I joined the board then
so I was involved in that
and then
it was sort of
rolled into the CBA
after that
so then
now I'm involved in that too
and like
it's been good
it's been good
because I don't
you learn
I learn a lot
because we have board meetings
where I sit with
like directors
non-financial directors
directors from different
avenues that I've come from
and you learn a lot from them
like there's pretty
impressive people there
you know
we always judge
like
like footy players
we judge ourselves
against them
against them
because
that's our wheelhouse
that's our profession
that's what we know
and we say
well he's really impressive
for this reason
or this reason
and a lot of it comes back
to how he carries himself
trains, plays
and performs on the weekend
but then you get
out of that environment
and you sit in
like the boardroom
and you hear these other people speak
and you go
he's impressive
and some of the business women
I've come across too
like
they're impressive
and they're impressive people
and you sort of get
through their confidence
and their experience
you get drawn to them
and you learn
you talk to them
you get
you understand that
was there elements
of imposter syndrome
when you're sitting
in those boardrooms
or do you always
feel comfortable
that you knew
what was going on
nah
I've always felt comfortable
because I
like I said
I've always been happy
to ask questions
I don't know
the answer to
and if I want to
understand more
I've always been happy
to ask about
or I'm even happy
to challenge someone
if I think
I think what I know
is more than that
but then I don't have
an ego with it either
like I'm happy to be told
the right way
or learn from it
like I feel like
I've always been
that's inside
when I was young
it's always held me
in good stead
I ask the question
I don't feel like an idiot
if I don't know the answer
I feel actually better
about it
because I learned
something from it
yeah cool
and now I've just
sort of been involved
the whole time
and through it
I feel
you know
I've got a good
relationship with
Peter Volandis
I've got a great
relationship with
Clinton Uden
they're the two
boss of the RIPA
and boss of the game
I feel like
if anything
the experience
has been good for me
at an individual level
and
is it draining?
it does
at times
it does at times
become hard
because I'm juggling
a fair bit
you know
I'm obviously
like a director there
I sit on the board
and then
you know
Cronulla's still
where my heart is
I pour like
all my effort
and time
and pretty much
you know
every opportunity
I have to think
about our team
to think about
how we can get better
you know
where we can improve
what the week looks like
how can I help the boys
like
I pour a lot of time
into that
and I think
the only thing
that helps
and I've got the media
stuff on the side
which is good
it's kicking off
it's helped me out
you know
talk about
the subsidy
and meat and ends meat
compared to what I used to be paid
that's helped heaps
and it's enjoyable to do
and then like
Woods is good too
Woods is good
he's good to listen to
he's angling for something
like
he's angling for the big time
he wants a breakfast show
or an afternoon show
he needs it bro
he needs his own show
he's got the best
he reminds me of Mace
a little bit
where they're not afraid
to say
what's on their mind
he's always been
loves his footy
like
absolute
footy nerd
watches every game
I'm talking like
he'll watch
Reserve Grade
when they're on
he'll watch the Super League
mate if there was an
under 8s game on TV
he'll watch that
he loves it
and he's good at it
and then
yeah
the only other time
I'd say the best thing
for me now
is my kids
I'm listening to my kids
like
when I'm with them
and I'm chilling with them
it's like
the phone actually goes off
and it's cool time
it's down time
so that's where
it doesn't drain me
I think
because
I'm able to
completely separate
I'm not thinking about
other stuff
when I'm with them
I'm taking them down
the park
playing footy
I'm trying to get them
the golf
get them the golf bro
I take them the golf
and sit them in the car
with me
and spend 3 hours
with them
and like
the phone's off
and it's like
as soon as I get home
if I need to do anything
it's like
I'm ready to go
because I've had that
off time with me boys
so it's been good
that sort of stuff
you're quite a
broad thinker
what would you like
to see change
about the game
not so much
straight away
and this could be like
pre-seasons are too long
just from a
holistic view
like what would you
change about the game
right now
and in 5-10 years
I might like
do you play too much games
too many games
I think yeah
like ideally
you know
it probably hurts
at the start commercially
but if we get 18 teams
right
imagine playing
every game
sorry
every team once
and then
so there's 17 games
and then you have
a couple of boys
so say
20 rounds
and then you've got
say 3 boys
it's 20 rounds
plus origin
there's
you know
22 rounds
you can sort of
squeeze out
and a final series
maybe you could add
to the final series
and you still get
your 27 rounds
of footy overall
I think the season
could be shortened
and the draw is weird
you can never have
an even draw
because
some teams play
each other twice
we only play
some team once
you know
your boys
when they're situated
around origin
like
I don't know
if you'd ever
find a perfect solution
around that
but
like the draw
I think
if they could
condense it
a little bit
yeah if you played
everyone once
and then played
say your
almost like conference
so you guys play
like
dragons
or someone within
your local
sort of area
twice
because you can
play them
home and away
I think that'll
be a way to go
wouldn't it
yeah and like
I don't know
if they're ever
going to get that right
but that's something
I would look at
the one I'll do
the most
is like
past players
man
like clubs
clubs in the game
and RLPA
working together
to sort of
put some more
status and recognition
and the ability
to look after
past players
what's it at now
what are they doing
for it now
not a lot in that space
which we've been
fighting hard for
and I don't like
the funding
for it
and the money's
got to come from
somewhere right
which is always
the issue
but I think
I don't like
and it's got to be
a combined effort
from the clubs
and the RLPA
and the game
because
you look at all
the other sports
in the world
like in their
past players
and Australia's
a bit different
where we don't
have the prestige
or the renown
like once
you know
once you've
finished
you sort of
move off
into the sunset
and not
unless you stay
in the game
in a coaching role
or media role
and there's only
so many roles
there's only so many roles
but I'd love to see
some areas where
like
you're always
attached
I know there's
mental league
but you sort of
like it's almost
like an alumni
or something
where you just
you're always involved
like clubs
I think for past
players can offer
you know
more to do
just
I don't know
it's hard
because I feel like
I've played with
so many great players
and they're just
once they're finished
they're just gone
but they're the guys
who like week in
week out
were the reason
we're winning games
or you know
getting through training
or having success
and I just feel like
they don't
once they're done
you sort of have this
the next crew comes through
and you
it's almost like
your welcome's over
you've done your job
move on
thanks for coming
and a bit from them too
they don't feel welcome
to come back
I feel like
that's a big one
I feel like
any past player
who comes down
to the Sharks
you know
they speak
that Fitz has been
good at us
like mate
as long as we're ever here
you've played before us
you've got a Sharks
number just as us
your contributions
you know
just as valuable as ours
you want to walk
through the gates
you're welcome
to walk through the gates
anytime
come watch training
come and hang out
because you wore the jersey
just the same as we did
I think the Warriors
are doing it really well
like I look at their
social content at the moment
they look like a club
it looks fun to be around
all the old guys
I think it's good
and I think like
it actually
if you get it done right
it gives value
to your young guys too
because they
if I dedicate myself
to the club
or the game
you know
it's not just over
once it's over
like if I give myself
a good enough run
and carry myself right
and do the right thing
and leave the game
in a good place
well then
you know
20 years
it's something I'm connected to forever
where there is a little bit
of a disconnect at the moment
and I feel like
I'd love to see that
I'd love
you know
because I was a footy tragic too
growing up
like just all the old players
are coming
I love when they come in
and tell their stories
because we're sitting in their shoes
right
they did it before us
they paved the way for us
so I think that
that space
I'd love to see some more
done in that space
and I think
it takes everyone
the game
it's almost like
remember RLPA
when we first started
like you'd have to drag
yeah
we've got RLPA
meaning it'd be three guys
there from the club
they're like
you had to be like
that's changed a lot
but that stuff takes time
doesn't it
yeah it does
and needs evidence too
for people to sort of
start coming in
well it starts at the club level
right
because they have the connection
really
that's where a player
has the most connection
to either the club
or the players
that they play with
even though
you move on
and play at different clubs
you still have that connection
to that playing group
and the club
because of that playing group
so I don't know
how it works
like
how
you would facilitate it
because it is a big
you can't keep track
of everyone right
players
people come and go
and some people
don't want to come back
and life changes
but I just
I feel like
if
whatever
it's a reality
if you feel like
oh man you know what
maybe I should go back there
there should always be a spot
for you back there somewhere
what about you
obviously you're sort of
in the start of your career
mid part of your career
what would you like to see
change about the game
you don't have to have
that answer
I just want to see
like what I said
probably shorten the game
like the season up
I think you just get
better produce
like out of everyone
better product as well
like the boys
won't be as hurt
like you know
the back end of the season
where you're kind of
going those last
like six seven rounds
and the boys are just
battling away
I think wrestling each other
once
you know you got one shot
at that game
so you don't want to miss that
and it's all those
little small things
like fucking bruise finger
yeah those little fingers
and just your whole hand
hurts all of a sudden
it's the time of the year too
like winter
it starts getting cold
and it's a little warm
so it's just like
stuff like that
obviously
past players
as well
I think our club
is moving towards
the right direction
of that
and making them
feel more involved
but yeah just
I think also
like we spoke about
that social media side
the protection of players
obviously it's a
controversial thing
but just not
when I'm going out
drinking
or like for a beer
like anyone else would
I honestly don't feel safe
like I'm telling
just like when I'm
going out for beers
I'm sitting with the boys
yeah I feel safe
in terms of like
no one's going to hurt me
but in terms of
what people can say
about me
and anything
and then I get hammered for it
like it's
if I sit down
with a beer waiter
and me and him
have a conversation
about something
and someone just walks past
and just
hears something
and takes it out of context
and then goes out there
and just blasts us
like how do we
defend ourselves
and I feel like
right now as a player
and a young player
I've got no protection
around
and people just say
oh get on with it
just be a good person
blah blah
and it's funny
because I want to be
able to go
you know
have a beer with my mates
I want to be able to go
live a normal life
right and
obviously you do get that
taken away
you've got to understand
that it comes with the territory
but how do we protect
our players in that space
and their mental health
as well
because you're big on
mental health
yeah like I
I drive
obviously the open room
in our club as well
we try and
like Nico's a big advocate
for it as well
and he makes
he makes it known
that if you want to talk
to anyone about anything
whether it's financial stuff
or just family business
then be open to that
and
you know
I feel like that's
that's powerful
in any club
and we should be driving that
but yeah
just probably that
more work around
protecting our players
and them feeling safe
when they go out for a beer
that they don't have to feel like
oh no
whatever I say
or whatever
obviously you've got to have that care
but
yeah
it's you know
it's a
it's hard to
you guys looked after in Canola
from
because it's
you guys
even though you're partisan
you're very isolated aren't you
so and
there's not really
is North East and that still pumping
or not really
it's not really
it's not really
it's not really
it's all kind of dead
it's all gone man
it's quiet man
it's good anymore
a few little pop-up bars
like Queensland
and Blind Bear
and all these still go
Highfield is good
but to be fair
it's generally
we're pretty good in Canola
like
you know
the boys don't carry on
yeah
we do have like
a pretty good young crew
yeah
they've got a Zid's crew
and then
you know
when we do go out
we sort of
yeah
everyone's polite
and it is like a bit of
that one town
one community feel
like everyone
in the Shire
is either a Dragons fan
or a Shark
is fan right
but when we're out together
they know like
oh we're Sharks
we're for the team
everyone's pretty respectful
it's a good
it's a good environment
it always has been
like even when we used to
go out and
cause some issues down there
it was always you and Chicko
no
we had a rife
we had a rife crew eh
yeah
we were carefree though
like
that's what I mean
there was never any issues
like
no one really causing any dramas
or
I feel like we
we as a playing group
respect
Polly Fitty too much
to go
yeah
you don't want to fuck up a good thing
like yeah
in our club we respect our
you know
obviously
our senior players
like if Waito was to text and say
fuck boys
this is the curve for you
this is this and this
like one time we tried to go out
Mad Cow
we went to Townsville
fuck man
we were all the boys
pulling every string
to try and get out
obviously like
Waito's our go-to man
for the tough questions
and I said
fuck alright boys
like we rallied up the young boys
and we're like
me, Tobes
and then we're like
oh we get into Waito
and hopefully Waito goes
and asks tough questions
and then so we did that
Waito goes
has this like
obviously his little talk with the coach
and like Waito knows
he's like
he's been around
he's been around long enough
so he goes
comes back
tells the coaching staff
we get back to our hotel
and all the boys are getting ready
like planning to get their best kit on
Waito tells the coaching staff
get off the bus
turns around
he goes
alright boys
I'm sorry like
tonight's not going to be that night
we just got to cop it
but what we are going to do
is we're going to sit in this team room
we're going to enjoy
each other's company beers
and then we're going to get on this plane
we're going to stay safe
get on the plane tomorrow
and fly back home
and we're going to be better for it
and that's exactly what we've done
and we enjoyed each other's
we actually had a good night
we had a fuck man
we found who the true soldier is
I think the worry at that stage was
it was like
the COVID spikes were back
so it was like
you don't want to be the team
it was
you were allowed to go out
like there was no
protocols or anything
but COVID was
if you had it
you were out for a week
right
if it spread
like players
like teams were losing players
and Fitzy was like
I think it was probably mid last year
so we were just getting there
like we were just sort of
we were just hitting some straps
so we were going to the back end of the year
and Fitzy
well Fitzy's played the game too
he knows what Mad Cow is about
like
so
, it's on there
and then
he went
we're not doing it
we're not putting our season at risk
for one night out
like if they want to have a beer
they can wait
and then go home
so then I was sitting there
talking to him
and I was like
I get it, sweet
let me talk to the boys
because it's better to come for me
because
because they're not the bad guys
well, they're not the bad guys
they're doing the right things
plus the boys know
like I've got skin in the game
like I would come for a beer
like that night too
if everyone went out
for sure I'd come
so
it was alright
we were sitting in the team
we actually had that much fun
we had like a
ping pong tournament
there was cards
being played
and
it was good
but you know
it's like that next day
anyway after a trip
you wake up
you're a bit dusty
trying to find your way home
you're on the aeroplane
and everyone's sort of
a bit wounded
so you sort of get up
and you're like
you didn't really miss out
on anything
because we had a good night
but Fitz is good too
it's not as if he says
no all the time
like
he's keen for us
to have dinners
he's old school isn't he
yeah a lot of times
we actually invite
like Ronnie's already said
we invite the staff
we bring them down
there's a good crew
bring the girls down
and the kids
it's good
I think yeah
it's with Fitz
you know
like you
because the way
he cares for you
you kind of just like
when he says
his number one rule
is just don't be a dickhead
like don't be a dickhead
in the community
don't be a dickhead
anywhere around here
just be a good man
be a good partner
be a good son
that's it
that's not that hard
so I think for us
young dudes
it's like
we always talk about it
like if we know
something's wrong
we're like
I probably shouldn't
like just because
of that respect
I'll pull up
like and the one
that probably gives him
the most head
X's
is obviously Toby
he loses hair
over Toby
so he always comes in
like sometimes
he's like
what are you worried about
and he's like
oh fucking Toby
like I'm just worried
about him
I'm like
too good
he's gonna let Toby
be Toby
he's moved down there
hasn't he
yeah
he's moved down
and he's
it's funny
because Toby
he's such a free spirit
but
and it took a while
for him to really get
when the boys
because he comes in
he's loud
and I don't know
yeah
so he sort of
it takes a while
he's in a quiet
taste
but once you realise
how much he actually
cares about the group
and how hard he works
and what he's willing
to do for everyone else
like he comes in
and he's like
yeah he might be
different but he's
our different
he's our guy
so he's good
but he's a worry
sometimes
because he said
some stuff
you go
have you been
serious
like even for me
because normally
a lot of the
the boys
if there's anything
going on
I can sort of go
I've been through that
so I can understand
it's sweet man
just one of them
him I just go
you're on your own
can't help me man
he would organise
like
because he wants
the boys to go
out to the city heaps
he always wants
us to go out east
and he's like
how do I get
the boys there
so he'll pay
for a party bus
for wherever
like we go
drink locally
at a pub
and next thing you know
there's a party bus
waiting outside
he's like
oh boys
everyone jump on
that's good for the
memories though
yeah
all the boys
are like
oh fine
it's going to change
now that he's
in the hood
and Nico's
bought a house
like you know
it's like
it's nothing better
Nico basically
lives in
Bondi
well now he's
bought a house
yeah good
stay down
so now it's like
you know
you're happy just
to have the beers
and then go back
to someone's house
and chill out
because there's
you know
there's less
dramas there
yeah
and it's hard
to get like
back when
we used to go
to yours
we used to stay
there
because like
going to
Casablanca
and back
you're down
300
full taxis
drinking with
like
these are like
boys
I always go
try and sneak in
like I said
drinking with the
boys and that
like it's just like
my missus always
laughs at me
she's like
why do you want
to just go sit
at a fucking
pub and drink
that's the best part
there's something
you don't realise
like it's
you sit there
you listen to
the most out there
stories
and then you
get to like
spin in your
little one
and the boys
like oh
that makes me
feel younger
you know what I mean
get their kick
and they get
yeah the boys
start living
vicariously
I used to sit
there at a pub
like I probably
enjoy it to be honest
I probably enjoy
sitting at a pub
just sipping on beers
and relaxing
more than
going out partying
like going hard
like
it sounds a bit weird
because I'm 23 years old
but that's probably
and then go home
and I'm done
you know
yeah well I enjoy
that more
even but to
to be fair
when we were younger
we would always
go out
and even go to
clubs and that
which is fine
but it wasn't
really never our scene
our scene was like
somewhere in the day
having a few beers
telling stories
just talking shit
just spraying each other
that was the release
just talking like
and we would
for sure we would go out
because we just
that was like
we just never stopped
really we wanted to
keep the good times going
but we had our most fun
like in the day
like sitting
like sitting down
telling like stories
what's happening
at the track
training
like bagging each other
we used to get
in the norm
in that so much
that's the best thing
about those drinks
yeah
banter like
us internationals
that's when one
claimed the fame
the other one
Kiwi's game
if I could tell me
a good stead man
just take that one
Kiwi game
if I was playing
rip footy
when I was your age
just shit like that
just a couple more
issues on the game
obviously
head knocks
do you think
it's a
like we
sound like we're
old
old ass guys
but do you love
the little change
and how much
it can affect the game
but also like
when they touch your head
sin bins
and the stuff
that comes with it
where's your mind on that
yeah I think
I've always seen
like the changes happen
and affect the game
like even before
just remember
like
it used to be like
when you couldn't
chicken wings
yeah
but like
when we
like used to be
it used to be
free for all
kickers
like
you could hit them
and do whatever
like
and then it actually
changed a fair bit
and there was a
crackdown for a while
so the crackdowns
always affect the game
for a bit
I think it's been
like
this year
with the sin bins
with the hip drops
and that
I reckon it's actually
come back a bit
and it's sort of
mellowed out
leveled out a little bit
but the concussion stuff
is just the space
we live in now
like there's just
so much research
into it
like you need to
take care of the players
you need to
you know
you need to take
take the decision
out of their hands
because
you need to
you need to protect
like we need to
protect us from ourselves
because
ultimately
I talk about
being that competitor
and that guy
like you don't
you don't
you don't
you don't want to
let yourself down
you don't want to
let your teammates down
like if it's a 50-50
and even like
again we talk about
like the
players carry injuries
all the time
right
you're very rarely
throughout the year
100%
so if you're 85%
90%
that's a win
but like we
we call that 100% fit
like that's just
how we are
like yeah
haven't been able
to run that well
this week
my ankle's a bit sore
but you know
come game day
I'll be like
I can get through it
I can get through
it's not 100%
it's like 85-90%
so you may as well
call that
85%
100%
so if you have a head knock
right
and you have
you haven't got these
protocols in place
and you're feeling good
towards back end of the week
but you
you know
it's only seven days
but you're not quite there
if you had the option
you know
85%
100%
I'm good
like
so I think
these decisions are good
like
and longer term
when I get more research
have an opportunity
to look at the research
and understand the data
because I've been
through my own issues
with the head knocks
I'd end up sitting
six months
six months
out just because
I wasn't worried about
how I felt
because I always
passed the test
and felt fine
I felt sweet
I was more worried
about what would happen
like what other people
would do
like would they make me retire
or would they make me
have this time out
because
at that stage
Frendy had retired
Bordeaux had retired
I was on the back of that
I was like well
will the game step in
or the club step in
and make me retire
so I just went
I'm going to
hit the rip cord
have an extended period off
just to give myself
a chance to prolong my career
not because I was worried
about
about repercussions
but I was worried
about the pressure
that the club
might receive from the game
or the game
I might receive from the game
because of the head knocks
so I'm
it's such a hard subject
because it's so subjective
only you know
as an individual
only I know
he knows
everyone's different
every concussion's different
we were
Nigel Plum
he retired
we played with him bro
but it got to a point
bro
you'd like
tap him on the shoulder
like he'd be like
pushing through a line
and no contact
and you just get in front of him
but I hit him like
just at the right point
boom
knocked out
it was fucking scary
and you'd have chats with him
and you couldn't remember
like conversations
that you'd had from last week
that was my worry
after I had my third one
because you're a smart dude
but you don't want to lose your IQ
no
not so much that
because I thought
the third one
so the first one that year
was a proper just
head in the wrong spot
caught that guy
stepping across my hip
out
before he hit me
and actually
I got up and kept playing
but I was
100% concussed
I was
Moyes was talking to me
and I was nowhere
he was like
mate you're gone
the second one was
similar
I went up on the inside
and got a hip from
hips to the worst
a hip again on the out
and I was out that time
and again I was rattled
and the third one
I came across bodies
and I thought it was
a big collision
but once I watched the replay
it wasn't that big
a collision at all
so in my head
I was like
maybe I've lost my jaw
you know seeing
when boxers lose their jaw
I was like
maybe I've lost my jaw
and then that's when
I was
I'm in an R
I was
I was going to do it
for the rest of the year
so I decided to have
that period off
but even coming back
I had the doubts
like maybe I've lost my jaw
maybe it doesn't take me
that much
for it to happen no more
because I've had them
in the past
and you know
fortunately for me
touch wood
it hasn't happened since
but that was one of the
worries for me
because that sort of
is a big issue right
when they're getting
it was almost like
how Caelan's one
was happening this year
wasn't it
yeah it looks like
it's just way easier
than it should be
than it should be
or what it's been
in the past
and I actually worried
for a bit
I said maybe I've lost
my chin
and I need to give it away
but then you know
once you get back
into the contact
and training
you know
innocuous knocks
all the time
and you feel fine
I was like okay
well I'm sweet
but it's a hard one man
and again it's so subjective
everyone's different
I think these protocols
are a good start
to give everyone
a base
like a really strong
baseline
yeah
like an opportunity
for all the data
and the research
to keep being developed
and you know
hopefully some
you know
better procedures
you know
and then you know
to get through it
yeah
I understand all that
sort of medical side of it
it's really important
but like say someone like
like Flagler getting
a sin bin
in Oregon
like I just don't want
I just like
imagine you guys
you guys are in the GF
the first weekend of October
and something like that happens
yeah that was
I don't think anyone
yeah
that's just like
that's where it needs to be
I think
you know
we have these teething issues
and like that for sure
shouldn't have been a sin bin
and we've seen a lot of
issues
that shouldn't be
sin bins or penalties
and they do
but it needs to be
a level
out where we can
sort of go
well okay
that's definitely a sin bin
and come on man
that's not a sin bin
yeah
because it's almost
too black and white
at the moment
isn't it
and then you get
all like Joey
blowing up
hey
Milestones
you're not too far
off the big three
orange
yeah
I'll have to play
almost every game
every game
deep in the finals
yeah
is that something
that motivates you
or
not really
not really
like
the team motivates me
more now than ever
like
the team success
it has
for a while
like
the individual stuff
I think once I
stopped playing
rep footy
yeah
because
it was funny
once you play
rep footy
and experience it
you know
you definitely
you know
I've been lucky
to do that
and you know
win Origin
and win a World Cup
but it really
is an individual thing
for you and your
like your family
and the guys
you're with
for that
few weeks
or
you know
World Cup
it's basically saying
you're the best
in your position
at the time
it's cool
it's so cool
because it's like
sort of
it's pitiful
yeah
to represent
countries
that's the
highest thing
you can do
and it's good
for you
like
you pursued
this dream
for so long
and this career
for so long
and to get to the top
and represent
your country
it's such an
honour
and a privilege
and like
not a relief
but like
you know
you did it man
it's cool
and it's cool
for you
and your family
they've obviously
been there
for your whole journey
and seen how much
work goes into it
yeah
but
but when you get
sort of through that
and
you have club success
and team success
where you
where you live and breathe
every day
it's sort of like
you know
a little part of me
would trade all my
rep jerseys back
yeah
to have more
team and club success
because
you spend
a longer period of time
you spend
more time with your club
and your teammates
than you do your family
at stages
and you know
I know how hard it is
in NRL
to get to the top
and win
and how rewarding it is
when you do win
it's sort of like
so that's what drives me
like getting team
team success now
does having that ring
like make you chill
a little bit more
it probably does
it probably does
oh okay
yeah
it probably would
like if I was
because if you got jagged
in that GF
yeah
it could be a different story
and
and maybe if I didn't
have rep jerseys too
it might not be
it might be different right
but I only know
the way I feel now
and what I've had
before me in my career
and
off the back of that
it's all like
my perspective is
I'd trade those things back
those individual stuff
to have greater success
as a team
more success as a team
as a club
because I know how
rewarding it is
when you have that success
like
it's
it's
you work from November 1
or whatever it is
to October 1
and to get that job done
is just the best feeling
you ever have ever
so that's
so my individual stuff
like for sure
if it happens
I'll be stoked
another thing from
me and my family
like
because that's for us
yeah
boys get to take part in it
but really it's for us
to celebrate like
for me
but like
I'd rather have that
gee
should be a nice way
to go out wouldn't it
oh
very nice
fairytale
yeah
you know what I mean
whatever happened to that
Wade
alright boys
I just want to say
thanks for jumping on
almost hit the 2 hour mark
so I appreciate your time
and wish you guys all the best
obviously I go for the roosters now
so
hope you guys don't win
but thanks for jumping on
appreciate it
cheers
thanks for having us
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