The One Club Man Talks The Future Of The Broncos Alex Glenn

Hey guys, welcome back to Ebbs and Flows, where we talk about the highs and lows on and off the field.

The second best looking Cook Islander in the room, Alex Glynn. What's up, baby?

What's up, my brother?

You like that one?

Yeah, I like that one, bro. I like that one.

Who's the first? Joey? Not you.

Oh, there's plenty of good Cook Islanders in here, bro.

We're the good looking Maldis, huh?

Bro, how are you?

I'm good, brother. I'm good, man. Really, really good. Life's good, man.

Can't complain, bro, to be honest. I'm feeling amazing.

I've done some amazing things the last couple of months in terms of business, in terms of life, in terms of health.

So I can't complain, bro.

Yeah, obviously you just moved up to the Gold Coast and you've been a fan.

Obviously this is home for you and you've been coming up for a while.

You're welcome, brother.

I've got to say thank you. You've made me do it.

I asked Pete the same question just before, bro.

What's the hardest part about transferring or leaving football?

I guess for me, man, it's been an easy process.

I kind of set myself up to a point where I knew I was going to retire, so I retired on my terms.

A lot of people don't get to do that, or players don't get to do that.

So I really haven't struggled in terms of transitioning out of the game.

The work that I do with the Broncos still gives me a lot of purpose.

The work that I do with my business, Legacy Through Movement, gives me a lot of purpose in my community.

And I've still got the flexibility.

It's been there for my family, bro.

So I guess understanding what's your purpose after footy has always been the hardest part for players, man.

But I found that purpose straight away.

You say that word purpose a lot.

What is your purpose?

My purpose is about giving back.

Giving back to the next generation in terms of the kids in high school.

Because when I was in high school, bro, I knew I wanted to play rugby league, but I never knew what was my plan B.

What else was there for me?

Outside of footy.

So trying to create those pathways for those kids in high school to understand who they are, what's their identity, what's their values and what they want to do.

That gives me purpose, man.

So that hopefully they can eliminate some of the mistakes that I made and try and speed up the process and understanding what's their goals in life and what's their purpose in life.

But then also, too, with the gym, I get to give back to my community and educate them around the positives of why we train.

And it's not around being physically well.

It's the mental side of the game.

There's so much more benefits outside of training and being healthy that people don't understand, bro.

And that's what we try and do at Legacy.

Is that your favorite part about running the gym?

Yeah.

That's why we started it.

It was around creating a safe space for people to come and exercise, be themselves, be a part of a team environment.

That's why.

My gym is not a 24-hour gym where you can just come in and lift weights by yourself.

We train in a team environment.

So understanding the importance of showing up for your meets, understanding the importance of being a good mate and being there for one another,

understanding the importance of showing up for yourself and just celebrating the little wins.

So we commend people that just turn up and walk through the door because they already won.

You know what I mean?

That's cool.

The hardest part is getting out of bed and showing up to the gym at 5 in the morning.

You guys train early up here, man.

Yeah, we do, bro.

That's the Gold Coast lifestyle, to be honest.

You feel inspired to get up and be active.

If you go for a walk down the beach at 5 in the morning, there will be hundreds of people doing it.

And they've got their dogs and all the meat, their dogs, their kids.

Everyone's active, bro.

And you can't help but feel inspired to do so.

Yeah.

And you kind of have to start getting in shape because we get a little bit older and we come through a time where going out is how we connected as football players and as men.

But I feel like it's switched up.

We connect through exercise now.

The thing I love about gym, and I've trained at Legacy and it was like all time.

But you meet people that you wouldn't normally meet.

And I find that in business where when I first got into business, I was kind of only looking for entrepreneurs that I'd relate to.

When I was in football circles, we would only hang around dudes that were doing the same sort of stuff as us.

Where you go to a gym, you just meet a guy that you do weightlifting, you just connect with him straight away.

And it pushes you into that sort of certain environment.

You become friends with different types of people, which I find really interesting.

For sure, bro.

And that's the cool part, right?

So, like, it's not from an industry that we come from, whereas professional athletes, it's hard to get into that demeanor.

In a gym, bro, it's everyone from all walks of life, man.

Like, you could be standing inside a professional athlete.

You could be standing inside a chippy or a uni degree student or whatever it may be.

But coming together, you know, and trying to better yourself, trying to create the best version of yourself, that's what's beautiful about exercise.

It brings all walks of life together.

You can connect with one another.

You can figure out or you can find out some similarities that one person has.

And that's what I love, man.

Our community at Legacy, bro, is so diverse.

Man, it's not just young, fit people, bro.

We got moms.

We got dads.

We got grandparents in there getting it done.

And I just love it, bro.

I love it.

Because at the end of the day, they're showing up for themselves, which means it allows them to show up for their family and show up for their people as well.

That's really important, eh?

Now, how do you start Legacy, bro?

So, me and Jeremiah, we've known each other for over 15 years, man, through school and all that stuff, through family.

Another Cook Island boy.

Good-looking fella, bro.

Good-looking fella.

Am I the ugliest Cook Islander?

Nah, don't be hard on yourself, my bro.

Come on, man.

We all got our strengths, bro.

Yeah, I'm just a talker, eh?

Just get him with, hopefully, a bit of chat.

Make him laugh, bro.

Strengths.

We've known each other for a long time.

When I first moved to the Gold Coast here, we caught up at a barbecue.

He's been in the industry for over 10 years.

And I've watched the movement that he does from afar.

He's been very close mates with a lot of my friends.

And when the time come, when I was hanging up the boots, I actually jumped under his wing, bro, and just started training with him in the mornings.

Because, again, you're trying to find your purpose, right?

Going from an industry where you train every single day for footy.

As a job, eh?

As a job.

Like, I knew exercise was still going to be a big part of my life.

So, they were training at a gym called A&PM, which is where Legacy is now.

And I started training under him, bro.

And I was like, you know what?

If there's someone that should have their own gym, it's you.

Because you live by it.

You live the standards.

And you're also that positive role model within the community.

You've got a mad rig, too.

Yeah.

If you don't know him, if you don't know him.

Crazy rig, bro.

And I was like, if there's an opportunity for us to start our own, I'd love to do it with you.

And the opportunity came about.

A&PM was sort of…

Well, A&PM started from one of our friends.

Yogi.

And he passed away, unfortunately, through a stunt under Bliss and Esso's video clip.

And that guy is epitomized or was a role model for myself, Jerry, Dills.

Like, he was just the most positive human being that inspired you.

You know those people where when you leave their presence, you feel good.

You know what I mean?

Like, you just can't help but feel amazing, feel good, and feel like,

that's the people I want to hang around.

Yeah, for sure.

So, when he passed, man, it was like a piece of us left as well.

So, when that time came, we were like, you know what?

We want to try and live and be like Yogi did every single day.

Because he brought calisthenics to the Gold Coast.

He created that Cali vibe down at the Burley Bars, down in Fifth Ave there.

And his community that he had on a Sunday morning at those bars was just…

Bro, it was powerful.

It was powerful, man.

And so, he started AMPM, which was Art of Motion Pursuit of Movement.

Yeah, I remember him doing…

I didn't know who he was, but I remember him doing a video and he said AMPM

and he said that morning to night.

But what was the acronym?

Yeah, Art of Motion Pursuit of Movement.

Yeah, that's sick.

Because I remember hearing that.

I was like, oh, that's well thought out.

Bro, huge, man.

And so, his background, right?

So, he was a stuntman and he just loved, you know, doing all that Cali movement.

He loved breaking the boundaries of what you're doing.

What your body could do, man.

And when you look at, you know, his social media content, bro, it was elite.

He was far beyond anyone on the Gold Coast, any influencer.

Like, he wasn't an influencer, but the way he influenced his community was powerful.

Yeah.

And so, he started that gym or actually his business partner started a gym in memory of him when he passed.

And so, when I started training there, you could just feel like something wasn't right.

You know what I mean?

And so…

With the current name as is.

Oh, just with how business was operating.

And ironically, his business partner wanted out of the game.

So, we were like, let's take it.

Let's jump on board.

So, we took the lease on.

The business partner kept the name, which we were gutted about, but life moves on.

So, when we started thinking of how do we recreate or how do we live Yogi's legacy?

How do we continue his legacy?

That word kept popping up.

And every name that we came up with.

So, Legacy TM is actually legacy through movement.

Carrying on his legacy, out of motion, pursuit of movement.

Legacy through movement is carrying on Yogi's legacy, but also allows for my legacy, allows for Jerry's legacy,

and also allows for our community's legacy to be left behind.

So, when we say to our members that walk through the door, it's, what's your legacy that you want to leave behind in your life?

You know what I mean?

Because we're all about empowering each other.

Be the best version of themselves.

So, in every day, in every opportunity that we get every single day, what's your legacy?

What do you want to be known by?

And as a good human being, as a respectful, as a good friend, you know what I mean?

And it makes you think every single day, am I living up to my standards?

Am I living up to my legacy?

So, that's how the name came about.

That's how our partnership with me and Jerry came about.

And our philosophy with our gym was like, there's a thousand gyms everywhere.

There's a few up here.

There's heaps.

Like, you go 100 meters down the road, there'll be another gym, bro.

You know what I mean?

So, what's our point of difference?

And it was, our point of difference is creating that safe space for everyone to come through.

I know gyms always say, we're all about community.

You know what I mean?

But, coming from a, you know what I mean?

Every gym's like, oh, we're community.

We're all about community.

But for us, man, and I'm not saying that they're not.

But for us, coming from a team environment where when you play footy, you're never going to have success.

Unless you're doing it as a team.

No one player's going to bring success to the team.

So, I lived in this culture where I had to be a captain of a team that was so young.

So, I had to teach them standards.

I had to teach them ethics.

I had to teach them cultural aspects.

It allowed me to use those skill sets and transition it into a community environment.

And it's been the best learning that I could ever do, bro.

What's the hardest part about?

Teaching standards to a professional NRL player to just your average partner who gets around every single day.

Because, like, when I first started training, when I left football, like, we had things ingrained in us.

As from, like, touching lines, not skipping corners, that, like that.

You never forget.

And then I remember doing stuff like that and people were just like, bro, 100%.

I used to sit there and burn, but it just wasn't my place to say, I'm not going to go touch the fucking line.

Yeah, yeah, 100%, bro.

There was always a, there was always a...

Black sheeps in each team, right, that will take those shortcuts.

But I think for me, the biggest lesson that I learned, man, is when I jumped out of professional sports, man,

I had this expectation that everyone was wired that way.

So, when I came to the community and just your local builder and mum and all that stuff,

I had to actually take a look at myself and just be like, man, I can't have high expectations on these people.

Although I demand that and I want them to push themselves, like, the difference between a professional athlete and just an everyday Joe Blow is, like, you get paid to be that level.

Whereas these guys are showing up to give back to themselves.

So, you've got to have, you've got to have empathy towards these guys for showing up.

And so, yeah, it's been a beautiful thing, though.

It's almost you celebrate effort over results, eh?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, like, for me, right, I celebrate these guys showing up.

I celebrate these guys showing up every single day.

It brings a smile to my face because they choose to do it.

They're not paid to do it.

So…

They're paying you to do it.

Yeah.

Yeah, bro.

But, like, it makes me see, like, I'm not a trainer at our gym.

I actually train with everyone.

And I love that because it's the best start to my day.

And seeing the results within mums, dads, and just your average Joe Blows, like, one of the boys, his name's Marcel.

He's a builder, bro.

And he showed me his training.

And he showed me his transition in the last six months, just recently.

And it's a beautiful thing, bro.

Because one thing you cannot do is you can't pay hard work.

You can't pay, like, your biggest flex is your physique, is your health, is your body.

So, if you walk into a business room…

You can't shortcut that.

Yeah.

If you walk into a business room or a business meeting and you're fit, bro, and you're toned up,

the people that you're either pitching or you're trying to work business with, they already know,

all right, this guy's got self-discipline.

This guy works hard on himself.

So, whatever he's going to say, I know he's not bullshitting.

You know what I mean?

And that's a flex in itself.

And that's what I…

That's a good way to look at it, Al.

I've never heard that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it makes so much sense.

You can't help but respect someone.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

If you're turning up to, say, a PT, you're going to get PT'd by someone that's overweight.

You know what I mean?

You're going to be second-guessing, does this person actually know what he's doing?

That's being truthful.

Yeah, yeah.

But if you're showing up and someone's like…

Very fit, looks amazing, you're going to listen to whatever they say.

You're going to do whatever they say.

So, it's the same thing with business.

If you show up to a meeting, man, and you're looking fit, these people are going to be

like, all right, he's the real deal.

There's no bullshit in his life.

Yeah, 100%.

Broncos, obviously, one club.

I talk to a lot of people on podcasts, and I hardly ever talk to people that have stayed

at one club, which is pretty crazy when you think about it, because a lot of things happen

with them.

Football injuries.

New players come in.

You were able to be a one-club person.

What's it like reflecting back on something like that, and for a club like the Broncos?

Yeah, I pride myself on that.

Because, obviously, there would have been times you could have left.

Very easy.

Yeah.

And there was a period in the 2019, bro, I went down to Penrith, and that was the first

time I've ever travelled to a different club to look at the club, because I pretty much,

throughout the year…

I wasn't given, pretty much said that I'm not going to be here next year, you know what

I mean?

So, that was the only time where I went to another club, and I met Ivan and Greg Alexander,

and got to see the facilities, where I was like, man, I'm not going to be here anymore.

And then they went on and started their successful journey, you know what I mean?

Could have been part of you, man.

But I look back, and I spent 14 years at the club.

I'm still working with the club.

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Because, like we were saying just before, it's very rare that it happens these days.

And I understand that, bro, you've got a short career in the game, so you want to make the

most out of the game.

But for me, when I came to the club, I idolized the Warriors and Broncos.

So, those were my two teams growing up.

And then I watched Darren Lockyer, Corey Parker, Sammy Thaide talk about how much they loved

the club, how much the club has done for them.

them what's their values at the club and i was just like man that's what i want to be and so

it wasn't a hard decision on myself yeah i could have made more money but

the the way my career panned out the things that i achieved at the club as a kiwi kid

i'm the only non-australian captain to ever captain that club that's sick huge yeah huge

milestone something i never ever set out to do um i'm also um the fourth most capped player at

the brisbane broncos so i overtook um alfie overtook greg that's crazy you know what i mean

holy shit i overtook wally laws overtook shane webke all these idols that are idolized i was

able to play more games than all of them um there was only three players that beat me and that was

darren lockyer cory parker sam thiday fair enough man you know what i mean like those guys are just

goats of my eyes so to be up there with them and and to to be a captain of a club

i idolized had ticks all the boxes so i'm very grateful you can you can sit at the table with

those guys for the rest of your life and not feel an element of imposter syndrome you know what i

mean yeah i feel like i belong at this table 100 which would be a cool feeling it's a cool feeling

man and like this this thursday bro there's a um an opening of um the captain's wall at the new

star casino in brisbane like it's been a huge project i'm getting done and i look at my picture

up there like this is up there for for

a long long time there's wally laws there's um darren lockyer there's sam thiday like

these legends in my eyes and then there's this kiwi bloke up there too you know what i mean

it's pretty cool bro pretty cool yeah i didn't win a premiership but i ticked every other box

um that i ever set for myself and to do it at one club i can hold my head high and be proud of it

does the premiership one hurt does bro absolutely bro it does it does man because you train so hard

in that point and to have it in like in our grass i still pinch myself and kick myself for saying

this because i've never been one to do it but there was less than a minute to go um and anthony

milford picked up the scraps we were like two meters off our line and he started running down

the field he was open you know what i mean and i was like man we've won we won i looked to koreota

i go we did it for the first time in my whole career i celebrated early you know what i mean

the rest is history bro like michael morgan um michael morgan um what's it he he knocked the

ball out of milford's hand and they went on and scored a try in the corner and then we weren't

golden point and the rest was history and i never forgive myself in that in that moment bro you know

what i mean i was just like i reckon everyone in that whole team would have a certain thing that

they could relate to you know it reminds me of you know when you drop a plate in real life and

it feels like it goes in like slow motion yeah that's what that sort of game sort of fell out

of you know the last grand final the broncos win that when you're defending a lead it's like time

goes forever when you're chasing a lead bro time's really short i can't imagine what it would have

been like going through that yeah bro it was it was hard man good to watch from a casual yeah from

from from a spectator yeah man that's from a team that got knocked out knocked out yeah i was mad to

watch yeah yeah bro and like when when you sit on the sideline man and you're watching your mates

in in the grand final like you're kind of cheering them on but at the same time you don't want them to

have one up on you you know what i mean 100 100 yeah that's real that's a real chat there yeah

100 bro but in saying that my best mate antonio winterstein was playing on that side um and he

just lost his brother earlier that year to suicide oh yeah so i i look at it this way and i'm like

you know what things happen for a reason and um he was meant to win that that that game bro so

i couldn't be more happier as a mate for him to do it for his brother and for himself bros yeah it's

one way to look at it but i still go to his house and i'm like that shouldn't be my uh here's a

question is losing grand finals a part of the broncos dna now because they're the last two gfs

yeah the last two gfs in the last 10 years we we've lost them bro um and i guess this is it's

a good point um as a club man we we need to grow from this like to lose a 16 point lead man it's

unheard of you know what i mean but the saying goes man like you can't

the full time's not done so the full the whistle goes you know what i mean and when you got a

player like nathan clary that comes out and does what he does man if he's on that field man it's

not over um and how do we grow from this you know i think i you look at the club this year i think

they're still trying to learn from it um we haven't had the success that we did last year

we did lose some big players in that but we still had the spine you know what i mean from last year

uh injuries played a toll on it all but at the same time you guys have had a rough run this year

we've had a rough run we've had a rough it is what it is a hundred percent but we got to learn from

it you know what i mean and uh you hear all the greats say that your biggest lessons are the are

the ones that you never took and and the ones that you never won from um so yeah it's a it's a crazy

dynamic but do i believe that there's a premiership close uh coming home to brisbane soon absolutely

you do have the team to do it

when you look at that you look at the team now and you were the captain of that side when they

were like a lot younger and you talked about this before and like when siebes and that were there

did you anticipate they'd be as good as they are take away this year's results did you anticipate

they were going to be this good because i remember chico talking about paddy and pain and like how

good they are in tones you're coming through but you you saw that i seen it bro i seen it um being

a captain through that the struggles right so if you think about it um our boys are fresh out of

high school and if you go watch high school footy you're going to see that they're going to be

it's all about attack right so these boys really um like credit to themselves they they had to learn

the hard way they had to learn what it's like to be a first grader at suncorp on friday night in

front of everyone yeah the most ruthless you know support that we got because they're passionate

and our clubs always had success you know i've never been to another club so i don't know what

the standards are at another club but at the brisbane broncos you always pride yourself

every single year to be a top four team and if you don't make it you're not going to make it

top four like you consider that as a learning bro like we got to be there that's our standard

every single year so from a fan's perspective like we need to be up there all the time

in those in those dark days where we got water and spoon and we're at the bottom of the table

that's a new feeling for all of us for our fans for all of us and when you're at a one city team

at the time like the media attention is all on us you know what i mean um no disrespect to the

or the lions and that but like that's a new feeling for us

that's bronco city man um and so they expect you to be successful regardless um so trying to

help these boys uh through the struggles on and off the field it was a list it was a huge lesson but

it showed me that these guys are willing to work hard because there was no fault in their efforts

they were like they were really working hard man they had the most amazing talent that me looking

at it going what am i doing i'm not going to work hard i'm not going to work hard i'm not going to

what am i still doing here these 18 year old 19 year olds like pain has coming through

fresh out of school he led a whole conditioning block and it made me think what are they feeding

these kids in high school you know what i mean because he was huge 120 kilos and he was fit as

hell and he's still fit as hell one of the best props in the game um and like i i seen their raw

talent and all it all it was going to take was for them to um get that experience under the belt

for them to be the next dominating crew

and there's no no surprise of you know the likes of paddy his performances consistently

bro he's one of the best i love one of the best i love when he's mic'd up and they show all the

footage of him i love listening to him talk yeah i find that stuff so interesting bro and he's just

so the best part is like everyone raves about how good looking he is but he's just a good human

being bro yeah good human being that's um it looks that it looks like that yeah 100 and that's the

same with pain bro like you think about all

the attention that he's got off the field you know i mean for him to perform every single week

and to block it out to go through ramadan week or month you know what i mean there's no one else

doing that man and he's still one of the best props out there he can go 80 minutes if he wants

to go 80 minutes um you know he's taken in his younger brothers into his household he's got

another baby on the way yet nothing uh gets in the way of what his job is as a as a broncos player

it's crazy man i remember benny merlin it's telling a story is where pain went over to

warriors to do like a pre-season week maybe with them i think mox was the coach at the time

and um won all the conditioning blocks with the whole nrl squad yeah yeah and like

and mox's guys like you got the young kid coming over like showing all you guys up

yeah ended up being pain bro yeah because you you think right so a pacific islander background

if you're 120 we were never leading yeah the the conditioning we were always known to be

the ones that were at the back of the pack yeah and we come off the bench making impacts

like short sharp stints powerful um but this guy just changed the dynamic bro and i'll still say

to this day this guy's not human it'd be interesting if they ended up like testing

him or something like that he might have a bigger heart than everyone or i don't know bro

just yeah because it doesn't make sense he's way too big to be doing what he's doing yeah yeah

where does his i've asked adam reynolds this um but where do you think his growth is in his

game because he's already top one two three props like where does he grow because he's

one five broncos player of the years or something he's in origin yeah how does he get better yeah

that's that's so true bro um good point i'm not sure what's that because because yeah like i think

his standards are very high so like he never lets himself take any shortcuts um the way that he

takes care of his body on and off the field is elite you know what i mean so i guess for him

it's just always raising the the the bar every single year um but more so around his mentorship

on taking more boys with him that's a big one i think so i think like that's the true power that

he could have man because i throw it back to ren and i go um i feel like with his body shape he

could be scoring like a lot more tries and if you push him but well you know adam scores a lot of

tries for the warriors because he does that block shape out wide but he goes nah for us he's the one

that lays the line who sets up everyone else and i was like oh yeah that makes sense still four

points isn't it

yeah just his name is not next to yeah and he's never been a big person that wants all the

attention he just loves going about his business man and just flying under the radar but with him

bro being that big and producing the stats he's never gonna fly under the radar nah he's just a

good a bro he's amazing and he's a good human being too bro what's ezra like ezra yeah bro he's

a character man fuck i like it he's so cool just like his uh his aura around the players his aura

on and off the field he's a character man he's a character man he's a character man he's a character

man he's a character man he's a character man he's a character man he's a character man you know the way that he

he loves his fashion he expresses himself through his fashion we went through uh we went to a um

a mid-year ball we're told it's a black tie event oh he had shorts on no sneakers and ezra walks in

with shorts and like black black shoes i'm just like that's what's up yeah i don't want that

even our ceo was like that style yeah that style but who else can pull it off you know what i mean

apart from him or reesey walsh

if me and you

were trying to do that

everyone would be like

hey what's going on

you guys

I think

like me you

say Geordie

were in a phase

where we all started

vlogging around the same time

I think you guys

were ahead of the curve

where you're doing

foot pics

and stuff like that

and you got a lot of kickback

what was that experience like

because

I feel like

we see it so clearly

of American sports

Australian sports

the content over there

is so much sicker

than what we're doing over here

let's just bring it over here

because why can't we do that

what was that whole experience

like for you

bro it's

I look at the sports

and the athletes

now man

the content around it

and like

not gonna lie man

I'm jealous

because that's

the era that

we all wanted to be around

man like

how many times

have we been saying

why can't we

rock up to games

and wear what we want

just like the NBA do

NFL does

because again

that's your way

of expressing

who you are

you know what I mean

and

it's

I do miss it man

me and Geordie

say it all the time

like we

we're

an era too soon

because

the boys

now they've got

Timmy Cousins

at Bronx

who's doing amazing stuff

Logan Dodds

at Warriors

who's doing amazing stuff

around the players

we were doing it ourselves

we had to do it ourselves

bro

we had to

like walk ahead

put our cameras down

and then walk past

like nothing

like the camera wasn't even there

you know what I mean

you're half acting

producing

at the same time

and then editing yourself

where

these boys

kind of got it easy

you know what I mean

it's crazy bro

they've got the pros

doing it

for them

and they're flicking it to them

and then they post it bro

so

I'm a bit

envious and jealous of it

but at the same time

we could honestly say

that me

you

Geordie

helped create that wave

yeah for sure

that's the way that I see it bro

I'm like

man yeah we're

we got scrutinized

a lot about it

especially when we did

that drip season

when we were in COVID

right

that was sick

I like that

we were just like

rocking up to training

and wearing like

bro that's how I knew

who Jesse Arthurs was

I was like fuck he

who's this

can't he dress as cool

ended up being him

yeah bro

and like

again that was

because we were

locked up in a bubble

we couldn't really

we weren't allowed to go anywhere

like anyone else

but

we're like man

how can we bring some excitement

so we started dressing up

walking into training

having fun with it

and then

we got the one and spoon

and everyone slammed us for it

because we were

apparently

worried too much about our outfits

yeah

but

I look back on it

and I'm like

you know what

it wouldn't be

the media wouldn't be

where it is today

if we didn't start

those wave leaks

if we didn't start

creating those boundaries

and start knocking down

some walls

you know what I mean

and I think

I'm Denon

deserves like a lot of credit too

because he was like

the OG in the podcast space

and like

we copied it

like I copied him

for sure

I didn't think I was

going to go full league

I just wanted to do

business stuff

but it just kind of

worked out

and Fahid deserves

a lot of credit

big time man

big time bro

because he tried

like you did too bro

you tried to create

those

those happier stories

around what the players do

you know what I mean

instead of the

you know

the negative stories

that are always getting

slammed in the papers

and on TV

you guys were talking

about the good stories

that us players do

outside of the game

that's not marketed

you know what I mean

a big one for me

was probably Corey

because like

obviously you've known

him a lot longer than me

but you know

he's a good dude

he just made a couple mistakes

and then like

everything he'd done

he just came to get

like bagged for a day

so when we started vlogging

you're seen as like

dynamic shift

and people started to like him

because they actually

got to understand him bro

for sure

and I was like

that's

like interviewed

Izzy Folau in this room

a couple weeks ago

and that was someone

I always wanted to interview

because I was like

fuck Izzy Folau

even though he's

I think a year younger than us

I was like

fuck he's the man

and like

I don't have the same

religious beliefs as him

but I appreciated him

as a man

to stand in his values

for so strong

that he potentially

lost everything

but he understood

his truth as a man

so I thought

that was fucking cool about him

and all the messages

I've been getting

from that podcast

I was like

oh like he's different

than what I thought he was

yeah for sure

100%

and that's

I think

as a

like when you're

a spectator watching

right

you have

all these kids

idolize these people

but they got to understand

that we're only human beings

we're not taught

in high school

or we don't do

a college degree

before we become

a professional athlete

on what it's like

to be a role model

you know what I mean

we got to kind of

learn

as we go through life

so we do make mistakes

do you reckon

football players

should be role models

oh I

me personally

I do

yeah

, yeah

because it's not easy

to get to where they are

but at the same time

we got to be

less judgmental

on the boys

you know what I mean

because they're human beings

they can make mistakes

just like every other

human being can

but the

the difference is

when we make a mistake

it's everywhere

and everyone has

an opinion on it

you know what I mean

and it can affect

your mental state

but at the same time

you know what I mean

these boys are trying to learn

so I think

so I do see them

as big role models

when I was still playing

you know I tried to

educate the boys around

win, lose or draw

at a game

we always go and thank our fans

because they're paying

their cold hard cash

or hard earned cash

to show up for the boys

you know what I mean

and show their support

and they've stuck

whether we were getting

50 points

beaten by 50 points

they stayed till the end

so the least we can do

yeah we're hurting

is go around

and shake their hands

and show your appreciation

I see Reece Walsh do that

like I think

who pumped you recently

Titans

yeah

and I remember like

him being down

and like he looked

hurt

and then he got up

and just like

yeah

and I respected that

that stood out to me

yeah for sure bro

because that's the 1%

that we tend to forget

as athletes

regardless of the

the points or

how you finished

we still got to show

our respects to these guys

because we know

through COVID

our game isn't a game

without the spectators

man

so if they're not

filling up the seats

you know what I mean

it becomes a boring game

when we had no spectators

in that stadium

it sucked man

it sucked

yeah the old glorified

a post session

oh bro

not the fake ambience

in the sound

but yeah 100%

like without

our spectators

there is no rugby league

out there man

yeah so true eh

I feel like we do

start to take it for granted

because I look at crowds now

like Brookie's always

filled up

Mount Smart's always

filled up

like I think the game's

heading in the right direction

bro it's pretty exciting

yeah

100%

the growth of the game

in terms of us being

Polynesian boys

and predominantly

we've got

I don't know what the

percentage breakdown

of NRL players now

what's it like being

seeing that

seeing that type of growth

within the game

yeah bro

it's a beautiful thing man

I think

you know

we

as Pacific Islanders

we've always

sport has always been

something that we understood

you know what I mean

and when we come from

cultural backgrounds

where we're always

being told to

be humble

and be respectful

it actually

can work in a negative form

in terms of us

chasing our dreams

if it's not sport

you know what I mean

for sure

so sport's always been

an avenue for us

to

feed our family

you know

to make a living

out of ourselves

so

to see it growing

it's amazing

but I get more pride

out of seeing

our Pacifica youth

following their dreams

outside of sport

man

I'm working in high schools

now

I've been working

with the Broncos

with our Pacifica

multicultural leadership

program

and seeing these kids

breaking down the barriers

that we never did

and going

you know what

I actually just want to be

a doctor

I actually just want to be

a lawyer

but my parents

pushed me into sports

because that's our avenue

and that's always been

Pacific culture

yeah but you're 6 foot 4

100%

you know what I mean

some just want to be

a singer man

and a lot of us

have amazing voices

a lot of Cook Islanders

have amazing voices

but seeing the growth

within Pacific culture

as a dynamic

and everything

I think it's a big thing

I think it's a big thing

it's beautiful bro

beautiful

and I'm all for it

one thing I want to talk about

with Izzy was

we felt like

two parts

money

and management

so player management

because like you said

the great part about

being a Pacific Islander

is you're humble

but then sometimes

you don't feel like

you belong

in certain rooms

in certain rooms

that I talk about

business

when guys are in suits

when there's contracts

getting exchanged

when we don't understand

contracts

when we don't understand

lawyers

I think that's going to be

the next evolution

of

like you talked about

being business savvy

and being a player now

I think there's guys

that are just going to

break that down so much

so the next guy's going to

I think Artie's probably

the guy

who should lead it

because he cares about it enough

he's

like you know

more on a personal level

than me

but like I watch from afar

man what he does

and the barriers

that he's already

been breaking down

that's a role model

you know what I mean

that's a role model

when you talk about

role models

like he's a

he epitomizes it

from a player's point of view

from a person

you know

as a human being

and then also

from a business

point of view

in terms of monetizing

your personal branding

you know what I mean

he's done it all

I think two things

I like about

one thing I like about

both you boys

is like being

a good partner

and husband first

and like

even though playing

for the Broncos

and Captain Em is

fucking sick

and Kiwis

blah blah blah

and playing for the All Blacks

is like the dream

but he

like

and he's a man of faith too

he goes

faith, family

that's what they put first

and that's their

foundation

of everything else

that is built

and someone who's

predominantly been single

most of his life

like I look at that

I'm like fuck that's cool

you know what I mean

100%

well I guess

a cool message

for anyone

that's listening to this

or the youth

coming through

is like

in order for you

to be the best version

of yourself

you've got to understand

what's your values

who you are as a person

how does

like someone

who's never

understood like

the values factor before

like how do they do that

yeah

well for me

it was like

because I didn't know

what values were

like

I got taught

to be always

respectful and humble

and empathetic

of everyone else

but I didn't know

that was values

you know what I mean

so I guess

you need to take time

out to yourself

and distance yourself

from everyone

and connect with

oneself

whether it means

going out to nature

whether it means

you know

sitting down

reading a book

or distancing yourself

from social media

and all that

you need to connect

and jot down

what makes you happy

and you know

how I came up

with mine

was every time

I walk out my house

how am I going to

represent myself

and my family

you know what I mean

so that

whenever I leave

someone's presence

are they going to say

these three things

about me

and if they do

then I'm doing my job

if they're not

then man

I need to reshuffle

what my values are

me and Quaid

were talking about you

the other day

and I was like

fuck it's mad

hanging around

Alexi

he's just got the best

energy

he literally said

when you leave

you feel better

thank you

that's great

that gave me goosebumps

remember when I was saying

like I try and live

a bit of yogi

within myself

man I just said that

about him

and you guys saying

that about me

that's crazy

thank you G

that was sick bro

straight into a coffee

then back talking

about girls with Quaid

but that's what

for me bro

that gives me purpose

you know what I mean

because it's about me

trying to give back

to others

and if it means

just being good energy

man

that's

that's giving back

I feel like

like

people say certain stuff

about me

and they're like

oh that's just the way

I feel like that's you

because I remember

when we were like

under 20s

and like

I remember you guys

beating us in the semifinals

I remember how

rattled while I was

and me and you

were in

getting drug tested

straight after

that's right

you're always super polite

and like

then we've seen you after

and I remember you being

at the Titans game

but you had Warriors kid on

but you've always been

that type of guy

maybe that's just your gift bro

yeah thank you bro

I think bro

honestly it's my upbringing

like my

my upbringing

my upbringing

back in Beach Haven

is like

the greatest gift

that could have ever

blessed me man

you know what I mean

like I come from

a rough neighborhood

we were surrounded by

gang

drugs

alcohol

you know

all that

but it helped define

who I was bro

it never ever let

my circumstances

or my surroundings

dictate who I was

as a person

we were always taught

to be respectful

be humble

never forget

where you come from

alright

and always put others

first man

and

that was drilled into us

from a young age

we come from a big family

so like

we understand that

sharing is in our nature

you know what I mean

we're not a single child

like Corey Norman bro

that just

expects everything

to come to them man

like

you gotta understand that

you know

you gotta help each other

you gotta

be the best for each other

you gotta be a support person

for someone

and I always

pride myself on that

never

ever let

a title

or

the person who I was

being

a public figure

put me above

anyone else

because

we're all human beings

and

I still pride myself

to that today bro

like we're all equal man

and

doesn't matter if I got more

exciting stories than you bro

like you still got a value

in this world

and

you still got an essence

and a presence

in this world bro

so

I'm no different to anyone else

yeah everyone's got a gift

and we can learn from everyone too

oh

hell yeah man

that's the way you gotta see it bro

for sure

yeah

like attracts like

energy attracts energy bro

and

if you can be a positive role model

for people out there

you never know what they're going through

bro

the world we live in is hard bro

you know what I mean

and

and the cost of living is hard bro

so

if you're that person

that makes someone happy man

you're doing something amazing

yeah

I find that with

like my content

like there's times I feel like

a little bit

like lost

where I'm like fuck

like why am I even doing this

and you know

because it takes a lot of time

effort energy

and

you put yourself out there

and you're gonna get criticized

and like fuck

people are bagging you out

but then every time

I'm just about to quit

someone will DM me like

oh that

that tiny piece of content

changed

how I was feeling about my day

or all my purpose in life

so

nah it's been cool

and it's weird

when you put it like that

and it's like

it makes me

think about myself a little bit

more and more thoughtfully bro

like you know

when you walk outside

and you're like

what do I

what do I want my

thing to be today

or when I come back home

how I represent my family

like I don't really think like that

but it's good

it's good to hear you

think like that

because it makes me think like that now

yeah bro

for sure man

and like

you gotta give yourself credit man

like

you change the dynamic

in terms of

footy players

correlation

with business right

you're one of the first to do it

so like

I gotta commend you for that

because

that helped open my eyes

to possibilities

I can create

outside of footy

and also Jordan's eyes as well

so

like you

paved the way

for a lot of us bro

I guess one thing that you

like

that you can learn about

and you just said it man

is just always think of your values

understand

what's your three core values

because

it doesn't matter

where you go

or what you do

there's gonna be haters out there

there's gonna be

people

that have their opinions over you

good

bad

or whatever

but if you're living by your standards

if you're living by your three core values

it doesn't matter what they say

it doesn't matter what you do

because

at the end of the day

you're being true to who you are

and

like attracts like

so if you keep

continue doing what you're doing

your circle

may get smaller

it will get smaller actually

but the ones that are gonna be around you

are genuine people that

believe in you

and

you're gonna be

and

you're gonna be

support what you do

they're not just looking for that clout

I've done this

online seminar one time

and it was about values

and they said

the quickest way to determine your values

is where you spend your most time

and where you spend your most money

so they go

even look for your credit card

so like

if you're like say

I want to be healthy

but your credit card's saying

KFC

McDonald's

yeah partying

you're going out partying

if you're spending your time and money there

that's not where your true values are

your true values might be at that time

having fun

and doing it

but don't expect

the results

if you're moving in that direction

hard out bro

so I was like

oh that's an interesting way

it's an easy way to figure it out

it is an easy way to figure it out bro

yeah

and I guess another

key message around values

and that

if you don't know your values

that's fine

you know what I mean

there's not a time where

or a time stop

where you're like

you need to be 18

and have to nail all these things man

like it might come on later on

you know what I mean

my purpose in life

I didn't know

what it was

until I got older and wiser

you know what I mean

so

don't be disheartened on yourself

if you don't know who you are

or what your identity is

or your value shit bro

it's okay to change too eh

because I remember when Haynes

he was like

flipping careers

and everyone was like

oh he's just a dreamer

nothing wrong with being a dreamer

because when I thought

when I left football

and we all picked up cameras

around the same time

and I love photography

I was like

fuck

I just want to go

make $10,000 a month

and go do some wedding photography

or some shit like that

shoot on auto

yeah

because that's what like

basically what Jordy's doing now

like that was my dream

to start off

and then I started making videos

and vlogs

and then we moved into clothing

and I was like

I'd rather just pay someone to do it

but I like the end product of

being in content

and seeing an idea

get to that point

but I don't really

want to be the one doing it

because of fucking

a lot of pressure

a lot of time

100% bro

like shooting weddings bro

imagine

I don't know

like credit to Jordy

and what he does man

like he just got back from Paris

shooting content

with Patty Mills

like he was over in Miami

like I've always been

a big believer of him bro

and

because he

I remember one thing

and like

I've always enjoyed reading

and I love words

in every format

like listening to him

reading and blah blah blah

and he was one of the first guys

that ever

he started writing blogs

yeah

yeah and he

back in the day

he gave you a big rap in there

because you supported him

through his knees

but he's always been like

a little bit forward thinking

as well

hard bro

like he's

yeah he's always been

the head of the game

but again like

he's always had a strong presence

about who he is

and what he stands for

you know what I mean

he's not

he's never been

as we used to say

a sheep

that just follows

you know what I mean

he likes to go against the grain bro

and create those pathways

and

he's stuck at it man

like

I've seen it first hand

the hard work that he's done

and put into it

and the sleepless nights bro

like he was doing

like

full days

where he wouldn't sleep man

but then he's still being

a great dad

and a great partner

for Jess

you know what I mean

it's hard work bro

but

everyone looks at it

and goes

how good is Jordy

going to the Olympics

and that

but you forget

the hard process

it's like

starting a business man

you forget the hard process

that everyone's slogged out

to get to where they are bro

so I'm proud of him man

I've always been

a big believer

of supporting your mates

and what they do bro

and gassing them up

because they deserve it bro

was it hard when you guys

went into two separate gyms

nah

nah

easy

nah bro

easy

like see like

yeah everyone's like

oh is it weird

that like Jordy's doing a gym

I'm like

bro

at the end of the day right

he's giving back to his community

I'm giving back to my community

if we're helping more people

yeah

that's

that's

benefiting everyone bro

yeah yeah for sure

you know what I mean

so it's not me against him

at all

no way

I want to see his gym

do like

be very successful

I guess it'd be like

me and Quade

starting clothes eh

100% bro

it's the same thing

it's the same shit eh

it's the same thing bro

like it's not

like your merch

against his merch man

it's just like

everyone's got their own way

of expressing

everyone's got their own way

of trying to give back

to the community man

and

I'm never against my mates bro

I want to see everyone win

what's the hardest part

about being in business

not knowing what you're doing bro

you know what I mean

not knowing what you're doing bro

oh man

do you reckon that's a blessing

in disguise

because I think if I knew

everything that I'd gone through

right now

and someone told me this

at the start of the journey

I'm not too sure

if I would have taken it eh

bro 100%

I definitely see it as a blessing

ignorance is bliss

yeah bro

for far man

like I didn't know

what I was jumping into

yeah

I just

I understood people

I seen an opportunity

and me and Jerry were like

you know what

what do we have to lose

we had good men

mentors around us

and I feel like

if you've got that support

around you

in terms of

like CEOs

great lawyers

great finance advisors

around you

you really can't lose bro

being successful

as you will know this too

is like

understanding that

not everything's

perfect bro

it's not gonna go smoothly

it's about

learning from those

and then just continue to

swallow that ego pill

and just be like

you know what

we stuffed up

let's keep moving forward

learn from it bro

so

I always say

entrepreneurship's like swimming

like there's days

where you're floating

on top of the water

sunset in your face

and other days

you feel like drowning

but you love the water

just enough to jump back

in the next day

yeah for sure

it's a beautiful thing G

and I think that's life

in itself

everyone wants to be

an entrepreneur

but no one's willing

to put in those hard hours

they want to see the success

but they don't want to

come through the trenches

to get there bro

you know what I mean

it's like skipping a pre-season

and rocking up round one

bro 100%

100%

like

I'll keep it real man

like there's been

I mean

my gym's

been very good

for the last two years

we've been operating

for two years man

I've barely taken

a cent out of it

you know what I mean

everyone's like bro

you live this good life man

you must be on a good pay packet

bro there's times

where like

my family is struggling

in terms of like

am I going to keep

this roof over my head

you know what I mean

but we keep going bro

we keep learning

because

I know

you keep doing

what you're doing

you stay true to your values

and

you never give up bro

the fruits are going to fall

from the

the

the

the

the tree

eventually

and the

the manifestation

that I put in

what my life is

for my family

it's going to come

but I'm not looking

for it tomorrow

I know it's a long game

how do you learn

about network

because I feel like

you're very early on it

because when we first

come through like

networking and

doing that stuff

was frowned upon

or like social media

was frowned upon

I feel like you're

a bit ahead of the game

in that sense

who'd you learn that from

we did a business course

when we were

coming through the ranks

it was myself

Jordan Kahu

Jack Rees

Matt Gillette

like a lot of the younger boys

coming through

and she taught us

the power of

personal branding

and then

as

when she said that

I started watching

Corey Parker

Darren Lockyer

Sammy Thaide

when we went to

big events

like say

season launch

end of the year

presentations

and that

us boys

poly boys

used to stick together

in the corner

you know what I mean

and mingle and that

and we never ever

seen those blokes

because they were

networking

and so

I

I sat down with those

predominantly

Corey Parker

I sat down with him

and I was like

bro what do you do

like in these events

and he goes

man I go out

and meet people

I was like

how do you know

how to make small talk

with someone you don't know

and so he

tucked me under the wing

and took me around

the next event

and I just watched

and I listened

I was a sponge bro

how do you make

small talk of

because I hate

what he said to me

right

he said

as a Brisbane Broncos

player

all these people

in the room

are there

because they want

to meet you

they love

you as a player

and what you do

out on the field

so you being nervous

like they're more

nervous to meet you

than you are them

so if you

address that elephant

in the room

like

you should be

asking them the questions

because they just

want to spill everything

and those people

that are predominantly

in that room

are very successful people

especially at the Broncos

our network is huge

and so like

he'll go in there

he'll introduce themselves

and they'll

always start off

like I'm a huge fan

there's your foot in the door

so then you ask

what do you do

for business

what's your

business that you run

and then they start

talking about their business

and while you're

talking about it

you start to think

alright

how they operate

the business

is exactly as players

how we operate

when we turn up to work

every single day

there's standards

right

there's a cultural aspect

but there's also

a standard

from a physical

and a team

point of view

and so

I always try to

develop good relationships

with everyone

that I met

because you never know

later on down the track

when you might need them

like you're meeting

builders

you're meeting people

that

you know

are into stocks

people that

are real estate

agents and stuff

and so

if you

leave a good impression

on them

when you reach out

to them

what are they going to do

they're going to help you

because you showed them

the respect from the start

so creating

those relationships

like I didn't go into

always thinking

what can I get from them

yeah it's a big one eh

yeah

I didn't go into that

I was just like

who can I meet

that's going to be cool

you know what I mean

so yeah

I just pride myself

on going out there

meeting people

understanding what they do

and their love for sport

and all that stuff

and then later on

down that track

constantly touching base

with them

here and there

it doesn't have to be

every week

it might be once

twice a month

checking in

how's it going

because you always get a card

you know what I mean

here's my card

if ever you need anything

give me a call

and so just

keeping those relationships

close bro

a small message of like

hey bro

hope you're doing well

just want to touch base

haven't spoken to you in a while

can go a long way bro

oh bro that's huge

because I think

I want people to do it to me

yeah

and I'm like

I'm like

and I understand networking

a little bit

and I understand

like psychology

and shit like that

basic psychology

but like I feel

whenever people do that to me

I always like

oh I want to help this person

like yeah

I don't know where they are

in life and now

but I'll go out of my way

to help that person

who puts in effort

yeah

because that's

right as human beings

we look for validation

right in life

and so if someone's

sending you a message

or email

whatever it may be

just being genuine

like

it makes you feel good

right

so you're like

bro

I want to help good people

right

this guy's a genuine dude

man he's checking in on me

when he didn't have to

and I haven't spoken to him

in months

I'm like bro

if he calls me

and he needs something

I'm there

I'm going to do that for him

wow that's

yeah bro

I think even now

that's like

there wouldn't be many players

doing that

nah

nah

and that's understandable

because you're at a

a social status

yeah

so like

you're getting all these people

wanting your time

that

it's hard to justify

who's the genuine ones

okay

here's a good question

say you are

a response

right now

you want to start networking

how would you do it

yeah

well exactly

like I said

any

events that

we're at

like I'm going out of my way

to introduce myself

even though

everyone in the world

knows who he is

I'm introducing myself

like

no one's heard of me

you know what I mean

and then I'm showing

interest in them

because

it's not about you

you know what I mean

because they already know you

everyone knows you bro

but when you show

genuine interest

in someone else

it gives off

that aura

like man

this guy

cares about me

even though he's

the pinnacle

he's like the Tom Brady

of rugby league

you know what I mean

he's showing interest

in my work

so that shows a lot

about who you are

as a person

now he's

Reece Walsh

has got the biggest

following in rugby league

people in England

know who the Brisbane Broncos

are because of

Reece Walsh

but they love soccer

you know what I mean

so this guy

can seriously

monetize

the whole world

bro

through his network

but it's

literally

bringing yourself down

and going

you know what

I'm going to go out there

and introduce myself

like I'm no one

bro it will get you

along places man

and that

that actually

helped me

transition out of the game

yeah

that makes sense

because those

people that

were always there for me

as Alex Glenn

the Brisbane Broncos player

are still there for me

as Alex Glenn

that's not the

professional athlete

that's on TV

you know what I mean

this is just a random

train of thought

and I was just thinking

about this

because we've got

like a mutual friend

back in the day

but like the amount

of times

I see football players

put amount of

let's just call it

marketing

into pursuing girls

or getting girls

interested in them

if they position

that type of energy

and just move it

towards networking

or business

it's basically

the same game

isn't it bro

yeah

exact same game

like whereas

I feel like

if you're chasing girls

it's easier for the boys

because they're on TV

if you're good looking

you get

the boys get haircuts

every week

you know what I mean

so they're taking pride

in how they look

it's marketing

that's marketing

it's the exact same thing

with business bro

you know what I mean

you gotta correlate it

and just be like

alright

my personal brand

okay

if I'm good off the field

I'm not in the papers

for the negative stories

businesses wanna work with you

for sure

you know what I mean

and that's

and I think at Recy too

like him being a dad

and his daughter being

very cute man

all that sort of stuff

for sure

I listened to

one one time

where Magic Johnson

back in the 80s

he was going like

he was playing basketball

and he looked around

all the floor seats

and he went to the

Lakers management

and he goes like

who are all these people

and then basically

after that

he goes

get the 10 most successful

people

I wanna take him out

for dinner

and this is like

in the 80s

so when I think about

Reece Walsh now

and when I ask you that question

this is the one

that comes to my mind

who's the 10 big dogs

like in the marketing department

at the Broncos

let me organise a dinner

I'll take him out

for snitties

and you'll spend

300 bucks on schnitzels

and a few beers

but imagine a network

from that bro

short investment

and a long term

and you get them all together

you know what I mean

absolutely bro

like that's a smart way

to think of it

like if you're a

if any of the boys

are watching this

that's what they should

be doing bro

you know what I mean

golf

golf's a big one bro

yeah bro

and it's the exact same

with sponsorship teams

you know what I mean

Brisbane Broncos

is the biggest sporting brand

in the country

are they

yeah

biggest brand

in the country bro

so you think

of all the brands

like Asics

Kia

like all these guys right

big global brands

the time that you get

to spend with them

on these sponsorships

can look after you

long term

you know what I mean

so like

like you were saying

inviting them to come out

to dinner

shouting them

it's something small

for the boys

but it could turn into

a huge avenue for yourself

post footy

you know what I mean

fuck yeah

that's the cool thing

about it man

that's what I love about it

bro

yeah

as a player

I think the best part

right

is

the impact that you can have

on someone else's life

for something small

and what I mean by that

is like

you see these guys

kids always asking for a photo

and that

it takes you two seconds

to take a photo

that kid will remember

that memory

for the rest of his life

I remember my first

NRL players

I took photos with

Henry Farfili

yeah

he's a man

cut the coconut

bro

and he had

I remember this so clearly bro

but he had like

on a baby blue

zipper hoodie

and it had Farfili

embroidered across the front

right

yeah

and I was like

fuck he's cool

see

I remember that so clearly

you remember that

and that's as a player

that's the mentality

that you gotta have man

there can be days

where you're tired

exhausted

you know

hating the world

because of all this

negative media going on

and that

but at the end of the day man

the time that you

give to these people

whether it's five minutes

whether it's ten minutes

they're gonna remember it

for life

so going back to my values

what are they gonna say

about you

is it your three core values

if not

then you gotta reshuffle it bro

yeah that's huge eh

and I used to say this

to the boys man

like if you spend like

ten minutes in a day

instead of like

flicking through your DM

just going like

ha ha ha ha ha

down all the comments

like I remember

guys I look up to

like someone like Gary V

who's liked my comments

and I've got to DM him

and get to know him

a little bit

over the years

but fuck I like

like 35

and still get excited

about that shit

yeah

100 bro

nah it is cool

it is cool man

it is cool

when you see people's

excitement bro

like even me

watching from afar now

you see Steph Curry

do the things that he does

with fans

oh he does it the best

he's the man

but then even Shaq

you know Shaq goes to shops

and he buys kids bikes

and all that stuff

I

I get a massive

high off that bro

you know what I mean

because

that's the greatest gift

that you can give anyone

when you're in a

when you're in a

spotlight like that

you know what I mean

giving

kids the time

or your presence

or even

when you see the players

handing out boots bro

I kind of miss that

you know what I mean

I miss

having that power to do it

because you always look excited

when you run out on some court

bro it's the best feeling

it's the best feeling

I don't know why I said that

it makes sense

yeah

like you think

I say it to the fans

all the time

I'm grateful that

I got to play

at Suncorp

like more than anyone else

because it is the greatest

stadium in the world bro

bro huge

and like I played

at Old Trafford

I played

you know

at very iconic

stadiums in the world

and nothing

ever compares to

Suncorp bro

it is the greatest feeling

in the world

so as a

ex-player

you do miss that

yeah

Willie Mason said it

the best bro

we don't miss

playing footy

you miss the adrenaline rush

that it gives you

and that feeling

when you run out

or you win the game

you know what I mean

that 20 minutes

when you're celebrating

and singing the song

that's the feeling you miss

yeah

I don't know

if that makes so much sense

at home bro

yeah for sure

that is so true

yeah

making 40 tackles

oh bro

waking up the next morning

trying to jump out of bed

you're like

oh

and then you got to get up

and go running again

you don't miss that

but you miss that adrenaline rush

that it gives you

when it's game day

and you're running out there

random question

do you think Gordon Tellis

is good for the Broncos

because I feel like

he says a lot online

like I

like

I used to be a New South Wales fan

and obviously

I switched over to Queensland

because all my mates are Queenslanders

and just better people

nicer people

my move Kiwis

but then he's just always

online saying some wild shit

about you boys

in my mind

I don't think

and I reckon

I say this about the Parramatta

old boys too

I don't think they want

the new crew to be

as successful

because it takes away

from their legacy

yeah true

I never thought about it bro

I reckon Parramatta

I reckon Parramatta old heads

they're all like that

yeah yeah yeah

me and Corey used to say it

all the time

really

but like

I know he's

paid to be outspoken

and that's what keeps him

in media

but like

do you think he's good

for the Broncos

right me personally

if I look at

the Broncos

and back rowers

because I was a back rower

Gordie's always high up in there

so like whenever I see him

doesn't matter what he says

or anything

I always give him

massive respects

because he paved the way

for me

you know what I mean

yeah yeah yeah

he's an old head

that just was tough

as hell bro

so like if

as a club man

if you're getting a legend

like that

coming into the club

man I think

it's huge

regardless of what he says

everyone like

we were saying before

everyone's got their own opinion

they've got the freedom

of speech bro

whether he's being paid

to do it or not

I don't know but

do you reckon there's a bias

towards like protecting

his mate Kivy

because I'm sure

if we jumped the line

and people were talking shit

about our mates

we'd lean into that bias

too

yeah

that's what we used to do

with Normie right

maybe that's just what it is

and I'm probably reading

too much into it

because I'm mates with Ren

and I see him bagging Ren

I'm like fuck

he hasn't even played

yeah 100% bro

and that's

that's the sad thing

about our sport

is like

when it's not going their way

you know what I mean

everyone's quick to throw them

to the sharks

but when they're winning bro

everyone's on the horse

and they're on the wagon

they're praising them

frick you can walk around

the city

and get everything for free

because they're like

how good is this

but that's

that's the side of sport

that people don't understand bro

it is hard

I reckon the younger generation

now

say someone like Reesey

and that

they

I think

they understand

people's stature

within the game

within the past

but I think they care more

about how they treat them now

than what they've actually done

true

is that

because when we come through

it's like

if he played 250 games

you were the man

we just listened to you

now I think

they're a different generation now

they don't care

how many games you played

like you can be

an old head

who glorifies the past

the shit on the future

or you can be an OG

who takes his lessons

from the past

and teach them

because I reckon

I reckon

and just in my

they'll respect you more

than someone like him