hey guys welcome back to ebbs and flows where we talk about the highs and lows on
and off the field joined today by my friend my ktr athlete
friend what's up bro thanks for having me yeah no i'm good i'm coming off a couple of big weekends
obviously and just got back from seeing my mate harry grant the king of the ringworm
um i think i've got one on my back now so thanks for that um what have you been up to in the off
season obviously a lot of people enjoy you on the field but they love to see what you get up to as
well so give us a breakdown yeah basically no not a whole lot a whole lot of sitting in rooms with
a bunch of footy players and looking at the walls pretty much but yeah a couple of big big nights
and um yeah you kind of have to do it after the season um as you can see all over social media
the panthers boys enjoying themselves that looks like funny their bears would have tasted a lot
mine i'm sure but um yeah not not a whole lot went to um melbourne watched the the grand final with
the boys um but other than that i'm just sticking around sydney not not planning on doing any
traveling i went done traveling last year and it kind of wrecked me um you know nine weeks in
europe probably three months all up in europe with the world cup and um did plenty of uh traveling
but now it's just sort of focused uh focused on the next season i'll just chill out and
let the body rest because um probably a tougher season like physically um getting a bit older and
feeling that you know a little bit of soreness now so yeah um it'd be good to relax what's your
what's your ideal weight because obviously when you play like a little bit bigger you can bend
the line a little bit more but the consequence to that is like you can't go for as long where do you
feel your ideal weight is well i felt like i was 93 towards the um so i played like 95 i played 99
alban and i was playing at 93 towards the back end and i was feeling pretty pretty good not like
probably bending the one as much as you want but being able to hold your own in the defense is the
is probably the biggest positive but yeah i probably try to stick around there so i'll go
back at like 95 i reckon give myself a you don't want to pick too early no no no you don't want to
pick too early but um yeah so i'll be just sticking around sydney um probably go back to new zealand
or but yeah just no 16 hour flights unless the boys want me to come to mexico for a little five
days then i won't be able to do that squeeze that in for the boys um obviously robo someone who's
been under a lot of pressure this year and look at the roosters they're synonymous with success
and they expect success what was the conversations like after the season and what was he sort of
saying nah he was all good bro he was um we kind of had like a you have your reviews after the
season finishes i think we spoke about nfl football i think we spoke about nfl football
fantasy more than anything and life in general and um i guess he knew i get like the it was
obviously a disappointing season but not as disappointing as it really could have been we
we probably got lucky to make the eight and then we we made a good run and if it wasn't for
um melbourne's hail mary out to the moldy wall brick but he would be in a prelim and
um but it's hard to say the season was a success obviously you want to win the titles and all
that but he was pretty good about it i'll be honest and we had a lot of injuries not making
excuses but we had a lot of injuries and i feel like it's starting to become a thing at the roosters
or the injuries because and we had a few big ones like satilly that was a that's a big loss for us
and um obviously we got to see some gems like cy wong he was a he's nice he's a he can play he can
play uh we're trying to get him at the kiwis he's doing those ones oh i'm just going to represent
him oh is he yeah he was like oh i think mads rang him he's like oh i just want to represent
tonga and then i'll come to the key i was like you can just come straight to us now you dog
but um pray he's going to be special he's a hell of a player and um and he's got that work ethic as
well like you don't always get that with that he's a beast bro like bradley is by far like not by far
but he's the fittest at the club and in pre-season cy wong take him on every time and then he might
get it later on in the set but to have that mentality is it's pretty awesome um you're
probably the most self-aware person in the game when you look back on your season what's the
biggest lessons you've learned as brandon smith the player and also brandon smith the person
outside of outside of football yeah i don't know it was it's a bit of a it was a big um switch up
in i guess lifestyle did you underestimate it yeah i way under like completely underestimated like
you know i didn't realize like every paper
every week like roosters are in there and like there's big write-ups in melbourne mate you get
the two pages if you're lucky and they're like tiny little segments and then just the scrutiny
was a lot bigger um bigger but like going out was obviously a lot harder and um i probably didn't go
out that much at all this year i probably partied like six times during the season um and almost
you don't really get to see any of the boys um that much outside of footy obviously you see them
during the summer and during pre-season but other than that a lot of them just bunkered down got
families now rads is about to have a baby so i saw that yeah he's gonna be he's gonna be going
missing for a little bit as well and yeah i guess you just you sort of take what melbourne has for
granted with um that sort of part of like the footy yeah um but on the field it was it was a
tough one because like i said the the
retoll at the roosters was bad and i had i probably my longest stint on the sidelines
in my career i think it was nine weeks um and that was pretty tough how fresh was that and
obviously like you're a guy that leads with effort you're a big um big name signing come
to the roosters the club it was it was tough bro because like i didn't play well going into that
um injury so obviously you get scrutinized before the before the injury and then you get injured and
then everyone's like oh why do we sign this why do we sign this
useless fat prick no no um but yeah and then when it came back started actually putting some
you know performances together to make yourself a bit more proud so um yeah we just want to build
on that and hopefully we go into next season thinking not not having that stigma that we're
slow starters because that's a weird one bro it's weird that ultimately kills us because that
just every game was a grand final for us for the last five weeks of the year
and then it kind of takes a mental break and then it kind of takes a mental break and then it kind of
takes a mental toll on you takes a physical toll on you and we're working a lot harder than we need
to be so um people didn't probably didn't get rested as much as they would because we needed
to win the games and um yeah just next year's a next year's a new year and hopefully we can do a
lot better what was the big change that you made you personally that sort of like made your form
go like a little bit better was there anything you can sort of pinpoint well that when i had
the injury bro there was like i had the week off so i wasn't able to sweat for a long time
for a week and then these the roosters train i've got a lot a lot of thanks for them the uh his name
is patrick lane i spent my and anna yeah you know patty lane the wrangler um yeah i spent a lot of
one-on-one time with him and it was two days on one day off and all those so i was doing fitness
tests every say either the yo-yo the four and five and then we did the hills and then you just
did that for the whole eight weeks bro and it was just
well not a whole like seven weeks and then i had a week of training with the squad and then went
back in so he sort of got me and i hated him the whole time i was like yeah i thought he was just
genuinely putting me in an sas camp and wanted me to just try and give up but that message is
coming from somewhere though oh yeah for sure and um yeah i reckon that just kind of unlocked
me a bit and made me a lot fitter and um just mentally tougher as well it was a tough period but
yeah i thank him for it and just i was eating bloody well as well you had to send your meals
into them every day oh really yeah everything and bro they don't eat a lot of like greens hey so i
was happy they don't with the greens at the roosters why is that i don't know there's
something like bro lindsay collins diet like was steak pumpkin like mashed pumpkin or mashed sweet
potato and like cream like that was it for the whole year and he'd send it in every day he's
never with greens no seed oil it's like
i don't know it's just um what was that what was the avocado yeah what was that about well he shoves
avocado seeds up his ass is that legit well that's if i think so he doesn't he doesn't ever deny it
but he never says yeah i do it which is weird it's a good yarn anyway it's uh yeah well like if you
ask him he won't deny it but the season didn't he and he yeah avocado seeds must work i might
go buy a pack on the way home but i don't know what an avocado seed looks like and the uv light on the
inside of it though has a dark green light so it's like a light blue light
I hope he sees this too, dumbass.
Fuck, he would have been filthy, eh?
It caused me shit for brains.
That's what he, like, his nickname.
And I was just loving it,
because the whole back end of the season,
you fucking shit for brains.
I was like, I hope we win this ring,
so you just feel it real bad, bro.
But yeah, obviously,
the old dog's not looking like slowing down either.
Like, he still plays some pretty good footy,
and it was disappointing the way it went down.
But I can't believe he tried to fight the head high
and not the head butt.
Like, he could have...
Yeah, that was crazy.
He could have fought the head butt, I reckon.
He just put his head on, like, on his other...
I don't know, bro, but...
When I normally think of the rooster side,
like, attack's not something that you ever think
that we struggle with, you know what I mean?
We've got so much talent around the park,
and probably one of the best outside backs in the comp,
maybe up there with Broncos.
But is there anything you can sort of pinpoint
on why our attack didn't flow so well?
Like, me saying, I like it, like I was in there.
It was tough, bro.
I think our completion rate really didn't help us,
and the thing about the roosters is, like,
Like, we play aggressive, so...
We're trying to get points all the time, like...
And a lot of the time, you know,
When Kerry wants to, like, shift shape,
it could be the fourth, we could be midfield,
and he goes on that shift shape
because he sees an opportunity.
Like, he takes his opportunities when they come
and doesn't ever shy away from them.
And a lot of the errors come off the back
of us trying to just pull them apart too early
or not in a good, I guess, space on the field.
It's like an Achilles heel.
Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't.
But ultimately, if we can...
If you can do that and complete and execute it,
Like, it's sweet, but we weren't executing,
and we've been executing all year,
and I don't think we ever...
We blew any teams out of the park, really.
No, it sort of felt like you were, like,
sort of Cronulla a couple of years ago.
You know, they win by, like, six or eight,
or you score two, we'll score one.
Games always felt like a bit of an arm wrestle.
Yeah, it was a bit tough, bro.
So I can't really pinpoint anything,
but we started playing better towards the back end,
so maybe it's just a connection thing.
I think Sammy Walker's pretty important for you guys, isn't he?
Yeah, although he did the chops and chains
and halves all the time,
went from Joey Manu to Sandon Smith to Sam Walker,
and I think when Sam came back,
he really showed why he was the number one seven in the team.
Kind of those plays that he can just create from nothing.
And he does stuff that no other half can do.
He's just a little bit of a freaky man, but...
Yeah, obviously, he had an injury for a long...
Like, a lot of people think he got dropped
and never got brought back,
but he had an ACL sprain for, you know,
pretty much the whole season,
and if it pulled up sore at training,
you're not going to fuck around with an ACL sprain, are you?
And especially for him, he didn't want to...
He didn't want to go out there and play with an ACL sprain.
The last thing you want is him to injure it even more, but...
What was, like, sort of behind the scenes of Tedesco
is probably the first time in his career
that he's sort of been under pressure from media
in terms of New South Wales selection,
in terms of Kangaroo selection,
and we're sort of blessed, bro, in the NRL
because there's so many cool fullbacks
or different styles of fullbacks coming through.
Everyone plays fullback the same way.
What was sort of, like, behind the scenes
and how was he sort of just leading?
Nah, he's cool, calm, collected.
Yeah, he's chill, bro.
Every day he's the same person.
It's just never really came in down on himself.
He's very passionate, bro.
Like, he loves the Roosters.
He loves the club.
He loves rugby league.
Like, it's hard for him to get, like, I guess, rested.
I don't imagine...
I imagine he loves it and, yeah, he wears his heart on his sleeve.
Even when he talks, he gets emotional a lot.
Nah, but as far as, like, the media and all that,
I think he's been around a long time.
He's seen it all before and it never really affected him, bro.
He's just come in the same guy every day.
I saw Kerry on...
He was on Fox with Cooper Cronk
and he was sort of talking about, like, the Tommy Turbos, Tedescos,
they play fullback through the middle.
So, it's quick play of the ball, blah, blah, blah.
They usually push up through the middle and score.
Now, a lot of the comp, the good fullbacks are out wide again.
Like, where Slater used to hang out.
So, you've got KP and...
Reece, just doing their thing out there.
Do you reckon that's something he adds back into his game
or does he just stick to his guns?
I think his guns is to play around the middle and fatigue the middle
and that's what the halves job...
They got, you know, we got real good halves
that can kind of pick edges apart.
But I feel like Dylan Edwards does the exact same as Teddy in that.
Yeah, through the middle.
Whereas, like, those guys that play that outside role,
sometimes if they're not involved in the game
or the game's getting away from it,
they can't really get into the game.
Reece was like in the GFA.
In the GF, Reece was exactly like that.
He couldn't really get in.
He had two carries in the first 20 minutes.
Like, that'd be unheard of for Teddy in a grand final.
And I think, I guess, both of you,
they could take lessons from each other.
Like, Reece, Kalen, they could take lessons.
They could take lessons from Dylan Edwards and Teddy.
It's good to have those big...
It's a stack fullback class, eh?
It's good to have those big moments,
but you want to play this consistently there.
A couple decent signings coming through next year.
Reece is doing Reece's things.
Are you excited with both of those boys coming over?
Dom Young and Spencer Leenie, yeah.
I think Spencer Leenie's a big one.
Yeah, Spencer Leenie's a big one for me
because that boy is a bulldog, bro.
He's the best bench player in the game
at the moment, and it'd be interesting
to see what role he gets.
I'm not a coach, but I'd keep him there.
Yeah, I would too,
but it depends what he wants as well.
He might want to elevate his game
into that starting role,
but he's definitely the best to do it off the bench,
and his play the balls are going to be very handy for me,
so I'll be looking forward to enjoying those.
And Dom, he's fast as fuck.
That's probably something we lack.
I guess speed is not really...
Like out-and-out speed.
Because they get some long-distance tries,
those boys, eh, Knights?
They're the pleasure.
They're the best ones, eh?
They've got good attack, bro.
They've got real good attack.
I think Adam O'Brien does a great job.
Obviously, he was at the Roosters
when they went back-to-back.
But, yeah, he's...
He just knows how to get the back rowers
running those lines real well, so...
Yeah, keen to have him on the team.
He's a big boy too, Dom.
A lot of people don't know, like, he's...
Well, I've fucking seen him.
I was on the piss when I seen him,
but he was tall as, bro.
He was towering over me, eh?
But, yeah, and he's good in the air.
Still young as as well, so...
I can see him getting about Bondi a bit.
Yeah, I could see him doing that.
He'd be the king around Bondi.
A little bit different.
Obviously, look at the NRL.
Oh, sorry, going to Grand Final a little bit.
I know you sort of touched on this in the buy-around,
but, Nath, like, where does he sit for you?
Like you said, right up there?
I reckon he's top ten already.
For me, but, like, that's coming from a guy that...
You played with Cameron Smith.
Yeah, but, like, coming...
I don't know of top ten players,
but I'd say top ten halves.
But, no, you could definitely argue for top ten players,
but it's just hard because a lot of, like, old-timers will say,
oh, like, Peter Sterling, Clifford Lyons, all the others.
That's always like that.
But, bro, I don't know.
I didn't watch them, so I can't...
I can only just go off their stats,
and say that, but because I haven't been able to watch them,
I can't really have a good enough opinion on them.
But from what I've seen in my, what, 23 years of playing footy,
like, he's the best halfback I've seen at, like, that age.
And his resume speaks for itself.
Yeah, that's a good one.
I think Jerome said that after the Grand Final.
His resume speaks for itself.
He's won three series, I think, Origin series.
He's won two Clive Churchills.
He's won three comps.
I think he's won a player's champion.
But, and Dele M, he's kind of only missed because he's been injured.
Like, and he's got a lot of people around him,
but I'm not going to lie.
I've assumed he's going to win at Dele M in his time.
He hasn't even hit his prime yet.
And I played against him through under 20s in there,
and he was already, like, light years above all those players
as far as footy brains go.
Like, if you're smart in under 20s,
you can just kick to the corners.
You can just put the ball where you want it with your boot.
And that's exactly what he did.
And they won the comp.
So he won the under 20s comp.
And he's such a good kicker.
Like, he doesn't say, like, I'm a right foot kicker.
I'll get to a spot and always swing right.
He just kicks from anywhere.
Inside pressure still puts a floater on it.
It's pretty scary.
Yeah, and he's got a team that chase as well.
Chase their asses off.
I think Liam Martin was the fifth highest meter per...
whatever, on the field.
But it's always handy when someone's chasing your kicks like that.
It makes the kick look a lot better.
He could break the games record, which is unheard of.
When Cameron got to 400, it was like, oh, fuck.
No one's getting close.
No one's getting close.
But you look at his games, I think he's near 200.
Well, he's definitely at 150.
It was cool interviewing him, eh?
Because, obviously, I've known him since he was young.
Just because of the age gap and by the time those boys came.
Bro, just so down-to-earth, man.
Loves getting on the purse.
Like, he's a lad.
It's just so cool, bro.
Like, I wish I was him.
I was saying to him off the air, I was like,
all the good Penrith players end up at the Roosters anyway.
Bro, he always...
Yeah, he's just...
He's, bro, he's a perfect man.
And, yeah, the points record, he's going to demolish.
I think he's on 1,600.
What's the record?
Like, 2,400, I think.
You'd have to check that.
But, yeah, you average about 200 a year.
That's four more years.
It's going to get demolished.
I reckon, probably unpopular opinion in rugby league,
but I think he's too good of a talent to stay just in rugby league.
And I always think this.
I think Kalen's one of those guys.
I think Soali's one of those guys.
He should jump the ship.
But the thing is, you look at Australian Rugby Union,
it's just not that enticing at the moment, is it?
I think Soali's keen to backflip.
But, no, I don't really know too much about rugby.
I obviously support the All Blacks just because they're the All Blacks,
but I've never really known the game plan.
Or when I watch a game, I don't really understand what's going on.
So it's hard for me to have too much of an opinion.
I just have a laugh because they're Australians
and the Wallabies are suckers.
I'm laughing at the moment and I don't really like Australians
because I'm a Kiwi, but it's just how it goes.
Yeah, Eddie Jones is a fucking laugh as well.
Bro, you just talked it up too early.
Oh, no, it's just funny the way he talks.
Keep laughing at us, go on.
It's an Akuba, mate.
Fuck, I love him.
Yeah, but, yeah, obviously, well, they need Fiji to...
Be Wales, I think.
I think they need Fiji.
Fiji to lose to Portugal.
Oh, yeah, something like that.
And not score three tries, more than three tries.
Is Portugal any good?
I think even Wallabies struggled against them a little bit, eh?
What was the score?
Like 34-16 or something like nothing too crazy.
And everyone's like, fuck, what's doing?
I don't, yeah, like I said, I don't know the players and that.
I'm assuming there's some leadership missing from that team.
Like Marika's fucking a menace.
Bro, you think about it.
If you take away Marika and Simon Kurevi, they're two Fijians as well.
If they're all playing for Fiji, it's like, fuck, where does their attack come from?
Yeah, they probably want to play for Fiji, yeah.
Bro, you look at the game as a whole, and I know you like to look at things outside of the game.
Like, where do you see the game right now?
I think it's in such a great place.
Crowd attendance is up.
It's just so exciting, isn't it?
Yeah, I guess they're kind of nailing the marketing side of NRL a lot better,
and it's becoming a way better product.
But this year was fucking crazy, bro.
Like, there's so many people who had chances to, like, be in the eight.
So many people missed the eight that probably deserve to be in the eight.
Like, the top four.
Other than the top two, bro, that were locked in, the rest of the club,
we needed to win every game for five rounds to go, like, to even be a chance.
And even then, we could have, you know, dropped out if results didn't go our way.
And just that kind of excitement.
Teams that, you know, you've been supporting for years, like Warriors, for example,
seems that you've been supporting for years that have not been going good,
and then suddenly they're third, like, the finished third on the table,
and it just brings life back to all the people in New Zealand,
all the, you know, supporters, like, all the teams that did that this year.
It's pretty cool, bro.
I think a cool part of rugby league is, and you're a big part of this,
is that players are allowed to be themselves outside of football.
And this was sort of 10 years ago, and you've always just been you.
I think it just makes the game just a lot better.
Yeah, yeah, it does.
And I think a lot more people are going towards that,
and that's got a lot to do with Penrith as well,
because they got all those characters that just beat them, like, bizarre.
He's fucking hilarious, bro.
He's one of the funniest dudes.
And, you know, they just act themselves.
Even Jerome Lua, he's, like...
He's still trolling, yeah.
He's still trolling people.
And, like, the thing about Jerome is, like, love him or hate him,
fuck, he talks the talk and walks the walk, bro.
He fucking goes out there and does it, like...
Come back from a shoulder op with four weeks to go,
like, four weeks after the shoulder operation.
That's crazy, bro.
Do you know what he done to his shoulder?
Because they kept it under wraps pretty well.
I'm assuming it had something to do with the...
Bit of signs in there.
Oh, I think Labia's fanny flaps, but anyways.
I look at a team like Brisbane,
and probably could be the most entertaining team
over the next couple of years.
You've got guys, and we sort of talked about this before,
Reece, playing for unders, Ezra Manns,
they're worth a bit more money right now.
You probably don't care, but what would...
How do you keep that team together?
What do you think?
I think we spoke about this before,
but I think you might be right.
I think, like, Reynolds, obviously,
he's coming towards the back end of his career,
and obviously you never want to take unders,
but something's got to give in that team,
to keep Reece Walsh,
you're going to need to double his contract.
And then, obviously, they're losing Herbie and Thomas Fliegler.
I think Fliegler was on a bit of a wicket, so...
Yeah, he's a good player, bro.
But, yeah, it just...
I guess it comes down to...
Payton's on 1.2-ish or something like that?
1.18, apparently.
But I guess it just comes down to Reece Walsh and Ezra Mann,
what they want to do in regards to football.
Do they want to make, you know, as much money as they can,
or do they want to create a legacy before they make that money?
Because they're both, what, 20 years old.
They're going to have time to make money.
They're going to have a lot of time to make money, but...
I think their window is over the next two years.
Yeah, and they've got a...
Well, I'm not saying they've got a small window to win comps,
because they can obviously still do it, but...
I reckon they've got two, three years, man.
Yeah, but they can do it at other teams as well.
Oh, OK, I've got you.
But, yeah, if they sign with...
Like, if they sign with another...
Because Reece Walsh pretty much is the only person they signed last year
in, like, a big signing.
And Broncos went from 15th to 2nd.
I respect that he took, like...
He could have got a lot more money at ready.
I respect that he took unders and...
Obviously paid off now, but he's played origin.
And I think that's what Penrith have done well.
They've just got a bunch of boys that we're keen as to just stick around.
Like, I think, what, Dylan Edwards,
was probably a million-dollar player two years ago.
Well, I think he won Clive Church two years ago.
And he's been on 600K.
And Jerome Lua has been the same.
And I think those boys just, they want to create a legacy.
Fucking they've worked.
You've been in that situation before when you're in a good team
and you're starting to shine
and all these offers are starting to come your way.
Well, obviously, we talked about it and got you in a bit of trouble.
But what's it like, Ben?
Are you, like, you probably think different to some people?
Is it just like, fine, let me just look after my family?
Is that first and foremost?
I helped you go into the roost.
Like, if I was 20, it'd be a different story.
You'd take unders?
Yeah, if I was 20, for sure.
I mean, I signed a big contract at Melbourne for, like, a long time
when I was that young because I love the club and what they're about.
And I saw myself winning a comp there.
And fucking long be I'd have won it.
Does that change?
Once you won the club?
Because it's like...
It didn't really change.
I had that season where I played real good at hooker
and then I was like, well, this is what I want to do.
I want to play hooker.
And went on the market as a hooker
and then ended up getting a better contract with a good team, though.
That's the thing.
I didn't really want to go to a team that I didn't think was good.
And I think that plays in the back of everyone's mind as well.
It was like, does Reece Walsh want to get 1.6 million
at, respectfully, the Tigers or the Bulldogs?
He wanted to do that.
Or does he want to take 800k and be a genuine chance
for the next three years to win a premiership
or even a couple of premierships?
Here's a question for you.
How much difference does it need to be?
So say, like, you've got contract here with Roosters for X
How much is too much to turn away?
Does that make sense?
Yeah, it makes sense.
It's a bit like Munster.
Like, he turned away 600k, I think.
Yeah, from ready.
I think it was 1.5 he got offered.
But, like, depends what, like, like I said,
it depends on your situation, your age.
But it'd be hard to turn away 1.6 million,
like, double the money.
Like, because that's what I assume he'd be demanding,
something like 1.4 to 1.6.
And I don't think Broncos can give that to him
because if they do, then they're going to be pretty shot for players.
But they've got good players coming through,
so they could churn out.
It could be that new Penrith, bro.
You just keep those guys together.
Those Brendan Nakura's, like, he's pretty good.
That Keenan Palacini.
Is he going to Titans?
Yeah, Keenan's going Titans, bro.
He's a good player.
He's a good player, bro.
He had a good year this year.
So, yeah, it's just whether they have that cattle coming through.
But, yeah, it'd be hard.
I don't know what the price would be.
It's not all that's in front of you.
Me, at my age now, feeling the way I'm feeling,
I think 600K would be pretty hard to turn away.
One thing I always loved about the Melbourne Boys,
and we all sort of connected was, like, through cards and stuff,
but I feel like the Melbourne Boys always sort of move, like,
a little bit different outside of it.
Obviously, you're an example of that,
doing a lot of things a little bit different, like with us.
Same, similar to Artie, but you're into podcasting.
How come, was that just your little crew down there
that just wanted to venture out and do different things,
like four points collectibles, you're doing lock?
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, Sandor Earl and Kenny Bromwell,
in which Sandor was a big business guy.
You didn't see him as a gladiator?
Who was the other one as well, the other footballer?
I don't know, is there another one?
I think Bo Ryan was on there, was he?
Oh, he might be the host, wouldn't he?
No, Bo Ryan, it was someone, bro.
It was, fuck, they look idiots, bro.
No, but Kenny Bromwell's always got that different sort of brain,
and he operates differently.
I love Kenny, bro.
I love listening to him talk.
He just deep dives straight away.
Yeah, and he's so smart, bro.
It's hard to trade with on NFL Fantasy,
because he just goes straight into the details
and searches up all the...
It's like, fuck, just trade me.
But, yeah, I think...
And it's just a way different dynamic in the demographic, I'd say,
in Melbourne, where you've got all those AFL players as well
that you kind of connect with.
I wouldn't know any of the Sydney Swans here.
But you kind of can connect,
and they're thinking along the same path as well.
They move different.
Yeah, they move way different than AFL players.
And I guess it was just that sort of cattle,
like Munster, Sandor.
As soon as they started, perhaps, Jerome,
as soon as they started that four-point collectibles,
it kind of got their brains working differently,
and they like to try other things out.
And I think their podcast is doing real well.
They actually got a...
They started an NFL comp.
Those Auslan recommendations.
Bro, it's two and a half grand entry.
So it's like a 50 grand win.
And Boydie's smacking them, eh?
Yeah, Boydie won it a few years ago, I think.
But this one's more high stake.
But, yeah, two and a half grand.
I'm actually smacking the Roosters NFL in fantasy at the moment.
Who's in that crew of yours?
Kerry now loves it, eh?
Yeah, Kerry loves it.
He's the guru that sucks.
Yeah, he had so many opinions on my team this year,
and he's currently, I think he's one in three.
So he's, yeah, he's the guru that sucks.
But there's Robbo, Boydo, Lindsay, everyone, Teddy,
and then all the staff as well, they're in it as well.
You talked about the AFL boys.
What do you think we could learn?
Because I went to a Collingwood game.
I went to a Collingwood Carlton game when I was down there,
and they just got us tickets, walked in, bro, 90,000 there, off the bat.
Like, you know, the AFL, bro, it's basically Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide,
but their game is so big, bro.
What can we learn as a game from AFL that we could transfer over to NRL?
Yeah, I don't know.
Or we just can't do it.
It's just their product is just so much better live.
So if you watch an AFL game on the TV and you don't really understand it,
it's not going to be that enjoyable to watch.
But even if you don't understand it,
if you go to a live game, bro, the crowd's pumping.
You get to see everything that happens off the ball,
and it's just – it's actually pretty remarkable what they can do.
Like, they're so fit.
They're so skillful with, like, that kicking.
Like, kicking the ball, it looks so easy, but it's so fucking hard.
Yeah, it's hard as, bro.
Especially when you've got people everywhere.
Like, you think about – we try to put – we do a lot of kicking in NRL,
but as soon as there's good kick pressure, we butcher it.
And there's kick pressure everywhere in the AFL.
Like, everywhere.
And they're kicking with people – 13 people, bloody, two metres away from them.
Why is everyone so into it, though?
Like, I understand once I'm there, bro, but Collingwood's got, like, 104,000, like, members.
How the fuck do you get that?
I don't know, bro.
I actually don't know.
And they are diehard, diehard supporters.
It's generational, too.
It's like grandma, mum.
Because, like, the Brisbane Lions game wouldn't – is it just the place?
Because the Brisbane Lions game wouldn't get that many –
Nah, they don't get that many.
GWS wouldn't get too much.
Like, is it – do the Swans get, fucking, 50,000 at least?
What would the Swans get?
Do we even have a stadium that fits 50,000 here?
I don't think – besides Telstra.
Not a circle one.
Well, like, even, like, a mediocre game of AFL in Melbourne, it still gets, like, 50,000.
Doesn't look well in the MCG, though.
But I think Melbourne's set up for, like, nightlife and – like, their nightlife's
so much better than Sydney.
But it's all in the right place, you know what I mean?
If we go to Homebush, fucking sucks.
Middle of nowhere, nowhere to go.
Yeah, like, all the stadiums are in Brisbane.
Get jumped on the way out.
And that's where all – that's where all of us boys lived.
And, like, you could just walk down to the stadium and then walk straight to the pub
Like, Homebush, with all due respect, not so great.
Like, as far as nightlife comes, it's 45,000.
Five-minute drive, so back to Bondi.
What can you learn from an AFL player that could transfer over as more so off the field?
Like – because, like we said, bro, they move so different, eh?
AFL moves so much better than us, I reckon.
Like, as far as pathways and, like, you just have to look at Christian Pastraca.
Like, he's – he does heaps of TikToks on cooking, the day and the life of it.
And he kills it, bro.
Like, people just want to see what AFL players are up to for the day.
And because they've got such a big following, like, they're going to make money.
And they've – yeah, like, Dusty Martin, he could do whatever he wanted, really.
And he'll just make so much money off the field.
But, yeah, they just move differently.
Like, I've got a friend named Cam Zerha.
He's in Vegas at the moment.
He wants me to come to Mexico.
He might have to come.
He plays for North Melbourne, but he does, like, Bulls – he's called Bulls Cooking.
He already owns a massive place.
And he does this thing called Bulls Cooking, where he just does, like – he, like, got
He's on his Instagram page and makes heaps of money off it.
And he's a mad, mad cook.
And then he gets job opportunities to go do, like, sponsorships and go cook meals at, like,
certain restaurants and stuff where they come in and they've got him cooking.
It's like that – no NRL –
He just moves smarter.
No NRL player does that, bro.
Like – but he genuinely enjoys it.
It's just a lot of the NRL players, I think, our passion is rugby league and we don't
really have another passion.
And then once we find it, it's a little bit too late.
You know, it's a little bit too late.
It's a little bit too late to actually move on it while you're in your career.
But your career is probably your best time because that's when all the traction's
Like, that's when you've got all these followings and you've kind of got to utilise
I think AFL do that a lot better than us.
Just to roll off the back of that conversation, like, you sort of maximising what you do best
now is obviously sitting in front of a camera and talking.
Where's the balance of that?
And was there times where – obviously, this year when things weren't going so well
and you have to rock up and –
It was tough, bro.
I think for the first 17 weeks, there wasn't one week I went into the bye round that I
It was like, fuck.
What do you find the best approach to be, just to sit there and be honest?
Yeah, be honest, bro.
Like, I did a Triple M show and got a lot of good feedback because I was honest about
my performance, the team's performance.
But it's hard because it's trying to balance, like, obviously you're going well, so some
people might think it's a distraction.
Is it a distraction for you?
I don't think so.
Like, it's just a podcast, bro.
It's just – you're talking about your performance and what you did wrong and what
the team did wrong.
Like, it's not – you're not going out there and fucking trashing anyone.
And it's only 25 minutes of the day.
And that's what people don't –
But I enjoy it and it makes me, I guess, try to get better at what I want to do post-footy
and, like, I sort of want to transition into that radio.
And, you know, being able to – because I love football and I love talking about it
and I guess the only way you can kind of practice, like, your art is to do it and getting the
reps in is what I'm doing, so.
Are you tight with the Johns family?
Does Matty give you, like, any tips and stuff around this?
He gives me a lot of tips on footy, though.
He's bringing me up at 11.30, mate, you've definitely done a really good job, mate.
But I'm real tight with them.
Anytime I need a place to stay.
When I was going through that tough period in my, like, season this year, Matty opened
his arms up and was like, mate, I'd love for you to come stay with us for a month, just
get away from the –
Yeah, just get away from all that and come stay with us.
And I would have done it, but I was living with my girlfriend at the time, I didn't
really want to just bring over my girlfriend for a month at Matty's house, but we're
I wouldn't want to hit her.
Yeah, that or not.
I'll go to dinner there every week, you know, just to see Cooper, I consider him one of
He's loved up now, too, eh?
Yeah, he's loved up, he's been loved up for ages.
But I'm just waiting for him to take control of the Matty John show and then I'll just
kind of walk straight into the job, it'd be perfect.
But yeah, I think he's going to retire, I don't know what the go is there.
But it's annoying because Coop never wants to drive out to bloody Bondi to see me for
dinner, and I have to drive out to Manly bloody 50 minutes after training.
He doesn't mind coming to the beachy, though.
I don't think anyone minds going to the beachy.
I went to the beachy last night.
Oh, is that any good?
Yeah, it is pretty good.
Fuck, that new back door area is pretty nice.
You know, out the back, they've reno'd it.
Yeah, you've not been there.
See, I haven't been out the back.
I don't really get past the pokies area, to be honest.
It's that fucking – that doorway there.
Yeah, the pool table's that doorway.
I don't pass there.
No Wi-Fi, too, around there.
Just lock in there.
It's so shit, though.
Bro, how can you be in the middle of Bondi and not have Wi-Fi?
Like, the middle of Bondi, too.
Right in the prime.
And you don't get it – I guess it's a blessing.
You don't have to worry about anything.
Bro, so your sort of podcast, Jam & Cheese, sort of – I'm always interested in, like,
how these sort of deals come about.
Is it something that you've loved doing?
Is it something you want to continue doing?
Yeah, I've loved it.
How does all those deals go?
How does all those deals sort of come about?
I've loved doing it.
Like, this one kind of was just – I don't know if you know who Charlie White is.
He's kind of a big shot in Triple M, actually.
And he just rang me and asked me if I would like to do it, and I was like, yeah, I'd
Sent through a contract, signed it, got it done, and the rest is history.
And it's been fun, bro.
Like, Jam is a bloody incredible dude.
He's got such a – like, he's got such an onto it brain.
When it comes to football and –
Does he ever switch off from football?
Yeah, I don't know.
I wouldn't know what it's like at home.
Obviously, he's been through a lot with his football career, and he's very well respected
both in Australia and England, but he's just – he's got a brain that thinks differently
about rugby league, and I guess it's definitely changed over the course of time.
He used to be – put his body on the line, and now he's an advocate for mental health
Brain stuff part of football, and also, he's opinionated, and he's tough.
That's – bro, that's the best thing about him.
He'll go at anyone.
You know what I mean?
Like, he's not afraid of anyone.
That's the thing I like about him, and that's probably the thing I really loved about Mace
Because they're not bound by any big dog contracts.
They can just sort of say what they want, and I feel like we need that, because a lot
of times you see, like, a lot of professional players or ex-players go into Fox and that,
and they – over time –
They seem to just cross that line where they become more media than player-driven, which
is understandable, bro.
They've got, like, bills to pay, and they've got people to answer to.
Like, we get that, but I respect those guys.
Like, they just say it how it is, bro.
It's just, like, an example was when the players boycotted the media.
Like, every media outlet was just saying – because they were getting paid by the broadcasters,
They were saying, like –
I feel sorry for the fans.
I feel sorry for the fans.
You let everyone down.
And it was, like, they just kind of took on that side, and I guess they had to.
They couldn't do anything about it.
That's what the storyline is.
You know what I mean?
Big thing about media is if you can drive, like, friction between two parties, that's
when more glitz comes through.
That's when – yeah.
And you go players against fans.
You don't want to hear the good stories.
You don't want to hear the – yeah.
What was I going to say?
What's my train of thought there?
Oh, so obviously a lot of players – and kind of doing what you're doing.
And what we're doing, moving into sort of the clothing space and the podcast space.
Do you think it sort of starts to dilute after a while?
Because there's so much about?
I guess the clothing one was already diluted, and you see a lot of players try to, I guess,
But it's tough, because you kind of – a lot of – I reckon – I'm just – this
is my opinion, but I reckon a lot of people that start those clothing brands, there's
already people that have done it, been there and done it.
Like, it's already – and that's –
And they don't try to deviate.
Like, I think if you went to try – if you wanted to try and make a clothing brand, you'd
have to make it completely different to what everyone else is doing, and it feels like
no one's really doing that.
Like, if you actually wanted to actually do something, I feel like you would need to make
it like a high-end brand or like target something like you were saying with the work clothes
or something like that to actually make it other than that.
It's just – you're getting paid for it.
You're getting paid for it from your traction of being famous.
Because I've seen a lot of boys do it this year and, like, weren't their names or anything,
like, trying to put shame on anyone or throw shade, but, like, it just felt – some of
it felt super cash-grabby.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
You know what I mean?
It's just like, oh, let's just do that, and then hopefully make money off it.
You're just making money off the traction of your fame, like, you just – because people
support you, you're just going to put this out there, whether the quality's good or not,
and you're not actually just trying to create something that you actually are passionate
So, I guess, yeah, use your – use your platform to make some money, which is –
Which is totally fine, but –
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100 percent.
There's different ways of doing it, eh?
But there's just – yeah, it's just if you're passionate about it and you really
want to make, like, some real money, not just the quick 10,000 on the side, you need to
put some effort into it.
I think there's a player that's going to do that soon with his girlfriend.
I can't name names.
But I think he's going to –
I think he's going to start a high-end sort of fashion clothing line, which is pretty
Yeah, I've been talking to him a little bit.
He's a better guy.
And he's the one person I reckon that can do it, both him and his girlfriend, they can
Guess who in the comments?
What about the podcasting space?
Obviously, like we said, it's super – I remember, like, two, three years ago, no one
really knew how to do it.
We were just sort of doing – we were doing a lot here.
You were jumping on those ones.
Now they're all sort of popping up everywhere.
What do you think?
Well, I don't think it – well, that's just my opinion.
Again, I don't think it can get too diluted as long as there's not too many people from
the same team doing it because everyone wants to know what's going on and that's why
Everyone wants to know what's going on behind the scenes at the Roosters or – and if you've
got someone at the Bunnies doing podcasts, everyone wants to know what you're doing
behind the scenes at the Bunnies.
If you're a Bunnies fan, then you get die-hard supporters just listening and it's interesting
because not all four walls are the same at rugby league clubs and I think podcasts and
things that – they're not really things that can be taken.
They're not really things that can be taken by AI or – you know what I mean?
Like storytelling will always be, you know, a moneymaker like a little bit of religion
at some points like all those stories everyone gets involved with and podcasts are just one
Everyone enjoys hearing about other people's experiences and what it's like to be a rugby
So I don't think it can get too diluted.
It's just – yeah, obviously if too many players from the same team are saying the
same things, then it can be a bit annoying.
Because someone asked me the question the other day and like obviously you look at guys
like Bloke who's sort of really early in the space and he's like the big dog now and
obviously the level boys like they were here before but they're doing like great things
so they've got a point of difference.
Jammer's got a point of difference.
It's just like when everyone sort of comes into the space, they need to find where they
sort of fit into.
And then sort of double down.
Hello Sports, they're just fucking funny.
Like they can talk about anything.
So you've got some really honest guys there, Kempe's probably the big dog, Hello Sports,
probably advice I'd say is just try to be honest.
Just trying to find something that's a little bit different.
I don't know what it is because it's hard with podcasting because you're just talking.
But that one, if we'd done the one of you, Niko and Cooper, that would have been...
I reckon that would have been awesome.
You guys would have been away.
But you'll get that with Fox Sports soon anyway, I reckon.
I reckon it's, yeah, you're completely right.
Like you need to have your point of like difference and I guess my one is just, I say whatever
comes to my brain.
Do you ever say something?
Is there like a regret thing straight away or do you just like...
Nah, I don't, I don't realise until...
Until it comes in the back.
Until it's in the back.
Has Robbo ever sort of said anything to you to say like calm it down or did you say just
Nah, I think he...
Because you're very Unroosters like.
Yeah, I think he said something to Jared to say to me, but I don't know if that's true,
but yeah, it's just like, is the podcast a distraction sort of thing.
Other than that, Robbo's pretty good, bro.
It was weird because I didn't see him as my cup of tea at the start of the season, but
then it progressed and then you get to know him and it's obviously how things are really.
Like when you don't know what a person's like until you really get to know them and towards
the back end, we were pretty tight.
You learn about, I remember Ivan used to say, you learn about who's with you after three
It's so true, bro.
But when we look at it from a crypto and NFT space, that's sort of something that can
sort of bring its way back into sports.
When I look at sports, it's for me now and I'm a little bit older, it's not so much
about teams anymore.
It's more so about individuals.
And what I mean by this is this young, oldie kid from Auckland or Waiheke Island, he loves
Brandon Smith moves to another team.
I don't think he stays loyal to the Roosters.
I think he follows Brandon Smith.
already happened within sports and it happened with like lebron and that leaving back everyone
lebron yeah you know what i mean so like i think it's changing like that do you see any benefits
for players as an individual or something that could cross over with nfcs later or oh i guess
uh i think we did we could probably do like um a lot better with like fan interactions with players
like i was thinking like that we had this idea one time and it was like starting only fans and like
not not like yeah not like do anything but but i've had those conversations yeah like starting
only fans and then just like oh whatever you like you just get all the maybe not a subscription
based thing but whatever you could do something and just get the fans involved and get them behind
the doors like they they want to hear from us in these podcasts and they want to hear what we're
doing but get them behind closed like doors and oh you want to see months to do something funny
like this like scientists subscribe like subscribe to our thing but
just um obviously you're trying to make money but it's just like i reckon they would love it
anything or like the nft where like you get experiences with the fans if you have this
sort of nft but um yeah i think there's just a big i just can't i haven't come up with the
right idea yet but there's just there's something there's something there there's a big avenue where
um yeah like the fans can just get more involved with with the club
and just becoming a member for 20 bucks and you get a hat and a fridge fridge magnet like
it's just you can just do so much more than that i think and just experiences and the players would
be up for it i know like jared was talking about it with me as well and he's probably the least
interactive person as far as like media and all that go like i can't even get an interview exactly
he's a money-based man you need to pay a lot of money for him to get on a potty but yeah i think
you need to explore a bit better as an nrl team i i heard i don't know if this is true or not that um
robo was like doing virtual reality stuff but it was sort of like
reactional i don't know this was a couple years ago and i think carrie was telling me
do you remember hearing something like that nah is that something you'd be into
just breaking down shape and like you know i picked the right pass and oh no i haven't seen
that but i've i've we've done some pretty funny bro i'll tell you what to do some like a kumbaya
under the hot tent
like two hours in the like boiling steam room like they're singing so i think nat sang the fiji and
him and he didn't even know the lyrics
but um yeah it's um the russians definitely do some
um out the box stuff but i sort of enjoy it like yeah meditation and all that it's pretty cool
they do it before training sometimes and after the meditation you just want to
go straight to sleep so um yeah but i guess they took they they didn't leave any stone on
you know unturned to um help that with their preparation do you reckon it'd be cool bro and
i reckon like gambling sites could get around this is like almost have like a honey pot so say like a
player goes well and you can put like a donation into like say cheese has got an account almost
like a venmo style thing if cheese goes well and you can give them like 10 bucks if you get
a thousand people giving you 10 bucks after a game bro you check your account cool see you later
10k yeah that'd be cool bro if you hit the first try score a bang you get 10 of it
no don't don't be too dodgy everyone just going for the line every time
bro i was i was thinking i'd because um i bet against like the boys all the time like
well she are a bit broncos will um wouldn't buy more than six points and he'll be like yeah i'll
be 10 bucks yeah and i'd love to just have an app where you could just like boom you you say that you
you're like 10 bucks per share then you would have to sort that out and just make the 10 bucks
straight in goes to a little pool and then it goes straight to the account that wins yeah you need
like a little algorithm to if i can sort out like how they would be hard to do yeah how they
understand like what but i reckon it'd be awesome to have an app like that eh i think i think i
could just sit here and go hey i'll beat you 10 bucks that thing's going to fall off and then you
go yeah and then you quickly do it um i think there's one getting around at the moment and it's
sort of based on how players are going throughout the year so say you start of the year like you're
you and then you start killing it you're worth 16 and you could sell it i think there was one
getting around in crypto yeah yeah i heard that'll be that'll be i heard about that bro um i think
paps told me about that one yeah but yeah i mean just yeah just betting again because i love betting
against welshie but just like a simple app where you could just go bang i'm gonna bet you 10 bucks
that wire there is not actually copper or something like that just and you could just do it so which
who flies on the wall um you sort of touched on pap a little bit obviously bro shatter
um he bounces back doesn't he yeah for sure i mean if it happened it couldn't have happened
at a better time really like you're gonna he's gonna have be able to come back before pre-season
and be able to have a full pre-season under his belt and then we're gonna see the paps of old i
think like it's an ankle injury it's not massive but obviously
it was just bad luck with how he's what he's going through but i think a whole pre-season
under his belt his body gets conditioned to take on a full season i've um i've been thinking about
this a little bit lately like um obviously it's a fullbacks league right now but i think there's
a certain build for fullbacks right now like if you look at um tommy turbo if you look at latrell
i think you're too big for the for this pace of the game right now and then you have to counter
that the way latrell plays is like he's not going to give you all the yards but when he rocks up
he's going to give you a try assist or yeah he's going to bump some off um same as tommy like
he's just hammy injury after hammy injury i think that build of like teddy dylan edwards probably
reese is probably like the right space and where you need to be joey plays fullback for half a game
hammy because he's such a big dude yeah i don't think i don't think guys that big are meant to
be covering that ground that much ground no it's it's right and well the proof's in the pudding
really like you don't really see any other fullbacks that are really big like that um
this is i'm trying to think of one and like pappy like he might be on the smaller side like
you can get him around but there's a consequence for being that small you know what i mean oh yeah
there's always a consequence for being too small yeah especially in this game but um yeah he's
incredibly tough and yeah look his body's he always would have known that though growing up
he would have been small he would have been you know yeah everything would have hurt and
that's just the consequence you take i guess for
for being a little small bloke what's what's what's the dream build for a prop right now in
today's game fuck ideally paying harsh like 160 000 kilos and fucking fit as an ox like
you look at um reese's very traditional style prop big yeah without barrel chested um probably
not as lateral as as like an add-in or i don't want to say fisher harris is lateral but they can
like you know i mean they're sort of actually i think he's the perfect he's a good build
um strong up top like bro even moses leota like he is he's not a scent of fat on him hey i don't
know if people know that like when he's got his shirt off and i always call him fat as well but
when he's got his shirt off bro he is just a fucking tank i shook his hand when they come
in for that um podcast out of the air bro like rough it's rough it's a rough ass head he touched
the back bro it's fully qualified bricky by 16 who does that no yeah
like you said bro there's not an ounce of fat on him no i need like leg speed but yeah fish would
probably be my ideal because he's he's got little legs and get around but he's fucking solid it's
like the game has come towards same tribe me and fish actually i don't know why i got this fucking
jeans um i feel like the game sort of come towards like your guys build a it's like leg speed yeah
fucking tough yeah strong like i don't know it's weird how the game changes yeah well if you look
at all the good bench players as well they're built like
in you like the small stocky leg speed and just like aggressive and remember um a couple years
like wingers had to be tall like when falau come through like everyone had to be tall and being
able to jump you look at like brian tall i was talking to someone about brian tall and they're
like bro he kind of you can't spot him in the air yeah but he kind of revolutionized the wing
position like 100 yeah like everyone was used to the fast tall like kicking option but he's just
going now like that i'm just gonna get you for 300 i'm just going to carry for 300 every game and get
you out of the backfield don't worry about it and like but he can finish yeah like he finishes them
tries and he probably finishes tries big tall people can't finish because his bum spokes off
but like he's i don't know it's hard but you'd have to say he'd be one of the best wingers like
he's gonna be one of the best wingers to do it because he who would you be your best ever who
would yours be fuck do you know who would you be your best ever who would yours be fuck do you know
my one was bro we're dry oh yeah yeah obviously yeah i played him once i think he ran 230 meters
in the first half legit yeah in the first half against melbourne oh i remember that yeah he
scored on the um oh the first set yeah he scored like a full full field try i think he scored two
of them like a 60 meter try and then he he scored this one where he went up and just like stepped
the winger as he landed and then just ran the length oh scary how good they are right but um
yeah he'd probably i'd be probably looking at like a brett morris type of winger just because
that's what's fresh in my mind but he was pretty bloody good bro yeah in his heyday all right bro
we're gonna sort of wrap this up um what's the goals for next year win the comp not even gonna
front not even gonna yeah just say consistent yeah but i just wanna win the comp bro it was
um hard hard to do but it you kind of watch the
penrith boys and enjoying that and you kind of i feel like um i remember when you feed off it i
remember when you guys won and it was sort of the first time that um i remember the first time that
i actually might miss football and not that i ever won a comedy thing but i was like i remember how
fun those times were but i feel like your guys one was so like documented like you were doing
your things you guys had the goggles on i feel like everyone's sort of doing that now yeah and
then we we followed i was wondering did anyone else do the goggles i don't think so but like
obviously nba did it and that's where we got it from
but now you see it everywhere like literally everywhere bro every like the the new south
wales cup they all do it now it's like my team from back home they they were rocking them too
and always get like videos from people like random people they want to comp and they'll
see the videos too do you know what i was thinking about this um like there's a there's a change room
there and some of the boys got got goggles in there but they just take them home you know
always think about that like it's like those championship hats when um you win the western
conference finals like where did those hats go well that was all sandor as well like oh
he was he was all that yeah he did he did everything bro he organized all the cigars
all the thing he charged the club though he's a businessman yeah but um the goal is just i guess
enjoy footy is the number one thing because there was periods of time where i wasn't enjoying
footy and when you don't enjoy footy it kind of goes into your life because that's what you
revolve your happiness around really is winning games on the weekend and um playing good like
and that's the sad thing about a lot of people if you go and in football then
you're not really enjoying your your thing and because you just don't really have
other things to bloody get happy about like um so just enjoying the footy but yeah definitely
winning the comp the roosters the roosters want me to do something like you know they
signed me to do something like that so um that's the plan i just need to keep the boys out there
and i think you boys are good yeah yeah oh my god thanks for jumping thanks paul