Jai Arrow And Liam Knight On Rehab Ringworms And The Rabbitohs

Hey guys, welcome to the very first episode of Ebbs and Flows, where we talk about the highs and lows, the ins and outs, the fears, the doubts, on and off the field.

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Hey guys, welcome to the very first episode of Ebbs and Flows, where we talk about the highs and lows, the ins and outs, the fears, the doubts, on and off the field.

First of all, thank you to our brand new partner, Sporting News Australia, for putting this production together.

Joined today by a couple of good friends of mine, or a good friend of mine, part of a film a couple of times, but Jai Arrow, Liam Knight.

Thanks for jumping on, boys.

That flowed very well, the intro, very well done. That's an orchestrated practice in the mirror.

Oi, oi, I literally practiced that this morning.

Really? That's good.

Nah, just going on a bit of a walk with the dog and just going, welcome back to the Ebbs and Flows, the highs and lows.

3am?

Nah, 3.30.

Alright, I'll sleep in.

Boys, thanks for jumping on, appreciate your time.

Yeah, thanks mate, thanks for having us.

Souths boys, obviously in a bit of form right now, you guys have been close a couple of years.

Is there something different about your team this year, from an outsider looking in, I'm watching you and I'm going, fuck, these guys are starting to look alright.

Can you feel something different about your team?

Yeah, definitely. I think it more comes down to just, we're all having fun together.

You know, guys, especially going from Redfern to Heffron, you know, we'll sort of, not promise, but they said that the facility should have been done maybe last year in November or pre-season, you know, sort of times.

But, you know, just everyone's walking in with a smile, we're all having fun together and we're just turning up for each other.

That's, you know, the main things why I reckon we're doing so well, but it's a very long season.

Yeah, for sure. You guys' new facility, obviously a club that's been around for such a long time.

To really have a home like that now, like, what's the big difference that you notice, like, you go there and you're just excited to be there?

You get sunlight when you walk in the training.

That's it, eh?

You know, I actually sort of walk in the training, when we first went in there, I was in the gym looking out, like, smiling.

I was like, wow, that's what it's like to be at training and, like, see light.

What is this light?

Sometimes you go to training in the morning, it'll be sunny, you leave, it's raining, you get, like, three shades of different, you know, weather and you don't even know what's going on.

You walk out, fuck.

What are we all wearing? You don't know.

Ringworm everywhere in Redfern.

Really?

It's a station.

Oh, ringworm.

Proper.

Once a week, someone would pop up with ringworm, mainly him.

Who?

Are you the worst?

Are you ground zero?

Nah, Tommy B.

Tommy B, right here, Tasmania on his neck.

Sorry, Tommy.

No, yeah, sorry about that.

I will say to him, he's not an unhygienic person.

It's just generally, he uses the cream, he just...

He's not diligent with the application.

Nah, he is.

He's just like, one day here, one day there.

Just refuses to go away on it.

I don't know why, I feel sorry for him.

Big salami neck.

How do you get ringworm?

Like, how does that even start?

I don't know where it starts.

It's just like, I don't know what it is.

I've never had it before with the Seahouse, and I've never seen no one.

I've never had one point at the club where no one's got it.

Someone's got it at all times.

Yeah.

It's fucked.

First time, I never knew about it.

The first year at Seahouse, and someone said, you got a ring here.

I said, fuck's a ring?

And obviously, I'd learned about it.

So I've done my, what did you do?

I've done my research on it, and there's carriers, and there's people who get it.

There's a lot of carriers that don't get it.

And that's why people get it.

They're the insurgents.

Oh, almost like coronavirus.

Yeah.

You could be the host, but not have symptoms.

Don't have symptoms, yeah.

Yeah, crazy.

Sneaky little snakes.

I don't have it now, by the way.

You got it?

Nah.

No, I'm proud of you, man.

Mate, don't be.

You've got it.

I've had it before.

Yeah.

But anyway, heifer on a clean sensor.

Sorry, sorry.

Made a big deal of it, too.

All right, give us your top three.

Who's got the most caps of ringworm in your team?

You're in the top three.

You're three.

I'm very clean, though.

Yeah.

You fold things.

Like, you're tidy.

You're not clean.

No, I'm clean.

Tommy would be another.

Tommy's just unlucky.

Peter Mamazoulas, number one.

Young fella.

Patient number one.

Patient zero.

Mate, his hygiene is very questionable.

Before he was in Gold Coast, he sort of found out a lot about the boys.

Yeah.

Apparently, man, he lives at home.

Mum and Dad did everything for him.

He had a dirty pillowcase or some shit.

Didn't know how to do anything about it.

Put a shirt on it.

No.

Put a shirt over it, wasn't it?

He put a shirt over a pillow.

With his Mrs. Perfume.

That's no word for lie.

Because he was homesick.

He had, like, 40 towels, like, in the corner.

They're dirty.

Didn't know what to do with them.

Didn't know how to give them to the hotel staff.

He had ice cream.

Ice cream stuck to, like, the bedside table.

Living at home first time was, like, crumbled.

The old T-shirt over the pillow.

That's the best.

Yeah, dry three, Tom two, Pete one.

Talk to us about your coach.

He seems like a pretty cool guy.

Seems pretty relatable.

We'll talk about your personal experiences pretty soon.

But what about from a professional standpoint?

Had Wayne Bennett there before?

Obviously, the GOAT.

And then you get JD to come through.

What's some clear differences between the two boys?

There's definitely a lot.

Not a lot, sorry.

There's a lot of similarities in ways.

But, you know, Wayne was more a father figure.

I suppose everyone would probably say that openly.

He's more of a father figure where JD is more hands-on.

Tactically, you know, don't get me wrong, he's also a good fella to talk to.

And he'll always talk to you about what's going on outside of footy as well.

And how you're doing mentally, physically, and stuff like that.

But he's just so smart.

And like Wayne as well, the similarities.

He doesn't really expect you to do anything out of the, you know, ordinary.

He just expects you to be on every day, be the best possible version of yourself on and off the field.

So.

As I said, mate, there's a lot of similarities, but they have a lot of differences as well.

And even with Wayne coaching, he was more hands-on with us with the tactical sides of things and stuff like that.

Yeah.

What about you?

Yeah, I think JD's a really, really smart guy, like tactically and the way he approaches the game is different.

But he definitely like took a lot out of Wayne.

Like he's, you know, he's relaxed approach and giving players more downtime, more of a voice.

And like, you know, that sort of incorporation between player and staff wasn't like, you know,

a dictator, like he really takes on what the senior players say and really wants the boys to have a voice and feel heard.

And yeah, speaking of what Wayne and him probably, they brushed off on each other a little bit.

Yeah.

He was always, he was always our tactics coach when Wayne was there.

Wayne didn't even know how to play his, but yeah.

Who runs your guys?

Who runs your guys attack?

Cause it's, it's pretty to watch.

Benny Hornby.

Benny.

Oh, is it?

Weapon bar.

Yeah.

He's smart as man.

I feel like even when he was playing, he was a very underrated attacking player.

Just nice and square right now at the back to Darius Boyd.

And Darius would just strip him.

Yeah.

So what, what's the sort of strategy?

Obviously you don't want to give away too much details, but I see you guys sort of play

like sort of post to post, move the middle around, obviously with your Lockie Ilias here

now, he's opened up that right side attack for you, but you guys are a left side dominant

team.

Like what's the strategies behind that?

And it.

I don't know.

Yeah.

It's coming from two middle forwards.

You're on the edge sometimes.

We'll hit the points boys.

We'll have them having the points.

I think it's, everyone's sort of known their role.

We have, we have shape coming from literally.

We know our roles from every part of the field, you know, from a scrum line, we've got a shape

we, we have to run or we want to run.

We know our roles there and for us where we need to lead inside or run a lead inside we've

got shape from, you know, we call it a zone from, you know, basically from the scrum line

to the post just inside that sort of no man's land.

And we got shaped from 50 as well.

I think it's just, it comes down to us knowing our role and where we know we need to lead

inside or where we're ball playing from.

So we have shape, honestly, as I said, we've got shape from every part of the field where

we can play footy.

So that's probably the most exciting thing about us.

I think the most exciting thing you touched on, like we're left side dominant.

I think we've scored more tries in the right.

I don't know.

Stretch has scored 11 himself or something like that.

Something crazy.

AJ is like three or four, you know, for some guy that's scoring a try a game for fun.

Stretch is, he's gone from like, he's always been good, but like this year he's sort of

gone up to there.

Yeah.

I don't know.

He's a freak.

What is it?

Can't, can't put your finger on it.

Is he trained like a little bit different?

No, he's always been, he's one of those guys, every training session, you know, he's ripping

in, he's, he's carving up and he's given everything, but I don't know, a bit older, a bit bigger,

a bit more confidence.

I don't know what it is.

Cause I think last year he was unlucky to not get an origin spot.

Will he get in this year?

Sure.

He has to.

Yeah.

He's big.

Big frame.

Loves them carry.

He's like, you know, like those 10 meter carries that no one wants.

He's sitting there just frothing like a dog.

He's been knocking on that door for a few years now, I reckon he's at the, he's at the

stage now where he's, he's about to knock the fucking thing down and they can't say

no to him.

I don't, I feel as though they can't.

Yeah.

I think you have to size them up for their blue jersey already.

He's built for defensively.

He would be a winner for three years.

He's been a center for two or three years.

I reckon he's the best defensive center in the comp at the moment.

He's locked down, he locks them down.

He's a Velcro.

Yeah.

I always dream up because he's a big frame.

You better be careful how you tackle.

You'll be in the second row soon.

Yeah.

He's like, fuck off.

He was struggling yesterday.

He was a big cook yesterday and kept having to ask him if he was okay.

He told me to fuck off.

Um, instead of seeing luckily in the earliest this game, like coming to the comp nice and

steady, um, you see him starting to take a bit more control.

You got some pretty dominant guys in your team with Lachelle, Cody and Cookie, like

the pressure isn't always there on him to run the team, but I feel like he's sort of

taking that step up.

things you've seen some characteristics you've seen within him that's helped him grow to take

his game to this next little level starting to have a voice like really speak up and

have his opinions on how he wants us to play and stuff like that in meetings like i feel like his

first four year last year he wouldn't really speak up in meetings about say attack defensively but

he's starting to do that no sort of notice that over the past couple of weeks he's actually

speaking up and having his say whether um having his say and not having the the older boys and

cody latrell's um cookie as well cookie's always got something to say he's always got something to

say are they are they good things or not no no yeah it's half half cookie i've noticed he doesn't

have something to say he'll be judging someone that is talking you see his face and zipping

around like trying to find eyes so like oh okay or he'll just say a mental thing

ever he'll repeat what someone's just said he's good at that that's the worst yeah he's good

tommy b tommy b he's like tommy's funny but tommy's good someone will say something and he'll repeat

that exact thing almost exactly the same as what they said and act like he's the one that said it

and look around for like and everyone just like laughs hysterically he's like someone says anyone

else got something to say everyone looks at tom tom anything yeah but lockheed's lockheed's really

coming into his own he's you know taking the team um as as we always knew we would but we

knew it was going to take him some time and thought to the back end of last year he was really

taken um taking a stance and um taking pressure off cody and latrell and and cookie so and even

camo as well who was a ball playing 13. he really took pressure off those blokes and i think he's

taken a lot of pressure off them to start this year and um it's crazy to think we're almost

halfway through the season because um we're in round what 10 or 11 now and lockheed's really

taking a voice i think that's the most important thing that he's taken on is just he's really

having a voice and a say cam murray he can't be that perfect can he is he is he that guy

unicorn bro we've said it we'd love to be in his head just for a day yeah i always actually asked

him one time because he's always just thinking like he's deep thinker and he gets into training

he's like those wide eyes and he's just not talking to people before a little bit he's

thinking i asked him i go mate when you come to train what are you thinking about yeah he's like

he gets sort of like gets a bit like oh nothing no no just like footy and uh oh much oh we reckon it's

yeah he's my manager he's just trying to figure out how to make more money like mate how much you

need pretty handy pick up with jackie wyden yeah absolutely some salary crap questions

coming suddenly coming around sales i think we're pretty good at it yeah are you a russians fan

is that a projection no who do we got all off the cat bro we're all right under the cat yeah

under the cat but uh probably third party cash payments you guys don't have to answer if you

don't want to but where does he fit in because you can you sell it

center well the young fella's going good too yeah it's a fullback it's honestly a really good

question and something we haven't it hasn't even jd's haven't said it it's not spoken about where

he's going to play it put him anyway he's a bit more about us this year yeah and there's more

worry about that next year but i'm going to say like where you fit in this yeah it'd have to be

uh i think lockheed's obviously doing a great job yeah yeah cody cody's cody cody kick stones

position where would he go um is it easy to strip down like attack and stuff when you guys

got 14 players on the field that was him too no no no no no no no salty i can't say that actually

wasn't me i got the blame only because i was in the picture yeah um i vividly i know for a fact

i had card number three and junior i think it was junior no junior wasn't playing didn't the trasher

a lot of the time it was juniors it was juniors it was juniors yeah i was looking for a job but jr didn't

Didn't the trainer try to spray you for it, though?

He didn't want to take accountability?

Whose fault is that?

Is that trainer's fault?

Well, the interchange person as well.

I don't want to point fingers, but you've got to blame.

I'm not blaming, sorry.

If it wasn't your fault, I'm not pointing fingers, but whose fault was that?

The interchange person.

Isn't that their job?

Oh, the NRL guy.

Yeah, to make sure that someone's come off.

But really, that wasn't going to change the result, really.

I think it was Junior.

I know for a fact Junior had come off and I had the number three card and I went on.

And I think our trainer had said, Davey, go on, just go on.

And then obviously Davey had gone on, but Tommy was taking the carry

and Tommy was running off while Davey was sort of running towards the plate.

I got the blame for it.

No bearing on the game, though.

Thanks for the question.

How much did you boys get fined?

How much did the club get fined?

It was 10 G, eh?

Oh, that's all right, eh?

Scored a couple of tries with 14 guys on the field.

Did anything happen when they had the 14?

It was like garbage carries, mate.

Very naughty.

Davey, obviously, welcome back to first grade football.

It's been a tough sort of nine months for you.

Talk about the sort of injury from the first day you got it

and some of the tough times you went through getting back to last weekend.

Yeah, injury, man.

I remember...

Lowest tackle.

Holy shit.

How many times have you watched it?

It was low.

I couldn't watch it for a while, eh?

I used to just sit there and just fucking just burn inside.

Like, I couldn't watch it.

I had to deal with that for a bit.

Do you know the dude's name and stuff?

No, no idea.

Nah.

He was a winger, brah.

That's the thing that burned me the most.

Is that the worst thing about it?

It's not funny.

I was in the middle of the field, tackle two.

I was like, we had a tap, then I had a carry.

And I was on post.

Almost blacked out.

And I looked at it, I was like, is that number two?

What the fuck's he doing there?

And I was just laying in the rain, just like looking up.

Like, what?

My knee was gone.

What did you do to your knee?

What was the actual injury?

ACL, MCL, grade two MCL.

Almost tore that all completely.

But ACL and then a little bit of meniscus.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, just remember the rain.

The rain just gone.

Fuck me.

And then obviously the weeks and months, maybe about a month after that,

that followed, I just went like, I'd worked so hard to get back there.

I had like three surgeries in the off-season.

Like Rico, Rico, clean out.

And I just started to feel like I got a bit of momentum.

Back in the side, playing all right.

Bang.

And I just lost a bit of myself.

And the last nine months have been a bit of a journey, man.

What do you mean by you lost yourself?

What does that mean?

I had attached my whole identity to football.

Like, that was all I wanted to do.

And I didn't.

I had blinkers on.

You know, the football bubble.

I guess you've been there for a little bit as well.

Nothing else really mattered to me.

Like, I didn't.

And I didn't care about, you know.

I didn't think, obviously, football was going to end.

I was like, I'll figure that out one day.

And so my life was like 95% football and everything outside of that.

I just attached myself to the image of football, my identity.

And that was gone.

I was like, well, what do I do now?

Who am I?

Like, all these, like, weird questions.

Like, big questions I just hadn't asked.

And I didn't really want the answer.

I just sort of, you know, started partying and got a bit lost in that scene.

Yeah.

Obviously, like, I've known you for a while.

And you've always been, like, the light, fun guy.

Obviously, you're fucking six foot five or six.

So you sort of stand out.

I've always found in the past when there's guys that always seem happy up front.

They're always masking things behind.

Yeah.

Going through that journey of an ACL injury, did it start to dig up, like, sort of childhood trauma and everything else in between?

Where, like I said, all my memories of night here are just fun.

Like, we go out, party, have fun, talk shit, do what we do.

But, like I said, like, there's times you've been opened up to me personally.

Was that kind of, like, the explosion moment for you?

Yeah.

And that was when a lot of things bubbled up when I didn't have that solid base of football, you know, training, routine, that kind of stuff.

All that childhood trauma, all that stuff sort of bubbled to the surface.

And especially when I just kept going further and partying, all that kind of stuff.

Trying to mask it.

And then it just wouldn't work anymore.

That was the biggest thing I had to address.

Like, I did a lot, a lot of therapy.

Still am, like, just addressing a lot of stuff that came up.

And that was probably the biggest work on.

There's a weird stigma around therapy, especially for men.

Well, we look at it.

Like, I look at it.

I look at you two guys and, like, big, solid guys.

And you play such a tough sport.

And you're seen as almost like a gladiators or men in the arena.

And we're expected to be tough and put together all the time.

What was it like making yourself so vulnerable, vulnerable in public, and then sitting down and having those tough conversations with someone in therapy?

Yeah.

I sort of, that stigma left me a little bit when I was in rehab, to be honest.

I got stripped back pretty bad.

I mean, after, like, the state I was in to go in there, like, it wasn't exactly a light decision.

Oh, I feel like I should go to rehab.

It's pretty fun.

That sounds fun.

So I sort of lost a lot of that stigma.

And, like you said, like, I can't talk about feelings and all that other shit that sort of come along with it that probably contributed to me bottling a lot up and escaping that way.

But it was pretty freeing, to be honest.

Like, it was, when it all came out with the story here, it was, like, pretty, just the vulnerability was really sat with me in a weird way.

People messaged me, like, oh, congrats.

I was, like, oh, fuck, now people know.

I was, like, I want to throw my phone away.

People sent me nice messages, but I was, like, fuck, now it's out.

Like, it was really weird.

Yeah.

Was that a good thing, though, that it was out?

You felt way lighter?

Yeah, I felt free.

And saying that, I got people, like, messaging me saying, like, mate, you've given me, like, hope and inspiration to, like, go through therapy, stop drinking, go do this, stop taking drugs.

And I was, like, it was an overwhelming, like, feeling of, like, wow, like, if I can help any person, like, just talking about what I've been through, like, it's a pretty amazing feeling.

What was rehab like, like?

I was about to laugh, too.

Do you know what?

It's just a weird stigma around rehab.

I want him to tell you a story about how.

Which one?

He tried to get, no, about how he tried to get himself kicked out.

I can imagine him, too, being too proud.

Oh, but I was, like, yeah, I was, like, two weeks in pretty deep into some, like, uncovering some deep shit about me.

And everyone was passing around vapes.

I was, like, vapes are bad.

Like, I got caught with one.

I don't even vape, but I was just, like, stressed in there.

And the head of the rehab, he's, like, mate, give me the vape.

And I was, like, want to give it to my mate?

And I went, like, right in front of him.

And he's, like, blowing up.

And I was, like, pick me up.

What are you going to do?

And he's, like, fuck, he knew that's what I wanted.

But rehab was pretty cool, man.

It was hard.

It was hard work.

How long were you in there for?

Four weeks.

Shit.

So are you, like, going and staying and everything?

28 days, yeah.

First eight days, no phone.

Take your phone off, yeah.

Yeah.

Don't call anyone.

You didn't have a phone, did you?

I took it in, yeah.

But you know, you don't have it.

Like, they take it.

Yeah, yeah.

And you have to ask for it.

So I was getting random FaceTimes.

Oh, yeah.

And I was just, like, email going, what the fuck is this?

Who is this?

Who is trying to FaceTime me?

And then I got a message, and it was obviously him.

Yeah.

It was weird, man.

It was a weird time.

Like, sitting around in circles, talking about your feelings in front of people you don't

know.

And it's, like, on AA meetings, and, like, people just start, like, this community of

people that you don't even know existed.

People go up in front of, like, this room and talk about their hardest things in their

life.

I'm sitting there going, what the fuck's going on?

Where am I?

Like, how do I get here?

So when you look around the room, is it, like, how you perceived it to be?

Or was there, like, oh, this guy just, I wouldn't even think he's...

Is the word alcoholic?

I don't want to, like, read it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or, like, the kind of people in there?

Yeah.

Yeah, so that was my biggest thing to stick around.

I'm like, fuck, I'm not...

I don't want to call myself, like, a junkie or anything like that.

I've had a lot of issues with alcohol and drugs for a long time.

But, like, yeah, you walk in there, people just...

You wouldn't even know, like, normal-looking people.

There's some people in there that's, like, really, like, you know, wealthy, successful.

There's obviously a range, like, high, low, like, life.

But people talking about normal stuff and, like, big issues, small issues.

Everyone's issues are their issues, you know what I mean?

And just so I open, I'm like, people talk about this shit, like, in front of other people

that I don't really know.

I'm like, this is crazy to me.

Is that easier or harder?

I feel like that'll be easier.

Yeah, I don't know.

But then you're telling strangers about your shit, like...

And so, like, I remember my first meeting I went to, I got asked to share, like, you

got the front of this room.

And I'm like, lights are on me, like, I'm not a good public speaker.

I've gotten better since, but, like, I'm just dripping in sweat.

Yeah.

40 people, I'm like...

Refusely sweating.

Wait, how many?

40 people?

About 40, 50 people in this room.

I'm at the front.

Some of them are in a circle, and some of them are, like, at the front.

I was like, oh.

And I just said to myself, I'm never going to say no, I'm going to get out of my comfort

zone, I need to talk about this shit.

Went up the front, like, looking around, like, stunned mullet, like, looking like I've got

out of a sauna, like, didn't know what to say.

Head raw, head raw.

I was like, you don't know what to say.

You hear people say it, but I didn't know how to speak about my own issues, so...

Do you have to do the, um, hi, my name's Liam, you know what?

Did you do that?

That was the thing that killed me the most, yeah.

Yeah, like, because at the first I was like, I'm in denial.

I don't have that much, no, I'm Liam, I'm an alcoholic, I'm an addict, but, but yeah,

like, it was fucked, man, it was hard, but then you got better and better, you talk more

and more, and you sort of, um, yeah, uncovered more of the issues.

You had a pretty tough conversation with your coach.

What made you want to tell him straight away, and we've talked about coaches as almost like

father figures, and I associate a father figure with someone that can, like, discipline you

and show you love, and I think that's why we always associate coaches as father figures.

What made you want to tell him straight away?

Well, leading up to that, I remember a couple of meetings at training, and JD was talking,

like, I think it was a couple of stuff going on with other players, like, you know, talking

about the, like, the trajectory of most, a lot of the NRL players, like, you know, they

live a certain life, they create bad habits when they're playing, um, you know, about

alcohol, drugs, gambling, cheating on the miss, all that shit that comes along with

the, you know, the stigma of footy players, and then they finish their career, they don't

have the money coming in, everyone leaves them, and then they're just a mess, you know?

They don't learn how to be good people, they don't learn good habits in their playing career,

and obviously when they finish, they're just...

they live, like, wild, in the wild, pretty much, you know, and they just, they really

struggle, and that really, really resonated with me a lot, and then, I don't know, I got

to this point where I was, like, my lowest point before, I was, like, I need help, like,

I was just, and I was reaching out, what do I do, how do I do it, well, I need to tell

JD if I need to go to rehab, like, fuck, how am I going to do it, and I've got to admit

that all my, I've got to admit that I've been doing the wrong thing, that was the hardest

thing.

Yeah.

But that was the only step I could take to get the help I needed, so, like, I called

him up, and I was in a, I was a wreck, I was like, JD, can we have a chat, like, in

a really, I was in a really bad way, I was really anxious, and he's like, yeah, mate,

everything all good, I'm like, no, not really, can we have a chat, can I come meet you, went

and met him, and I knew the time where I was at, and the first thing he said to me was

like, mate, I'm really proud of you for asking, like, 100%, we support you 100%, and I just

went, what?

That felt like the biggest relief?

Like, the biggest relief, I was like, what do you mean, like, I was like, didn't understand

it, like, everything I built it up to be, you know, this huge thing, like, and he just

went, bang, that's mate, that's awesome, I'm proud of you, we support you 100%, and

I was just like, like a light bulb moment, like, fuck, that's the first step, that's

the number one step.

What was it like for you, Jai, as like, as obviously a good mate, you're seen as like

a, sort of a tough guy within, in the game, but to sort of come off the field, see your

friend go through that, and just sort of have to soften yourself, and accept it, what was

it like to be his friend?

It was pretty, it was pretty hectic, to be honest, like, see, you just don't know sometimes,

like, obviously, I was seeing him go through a bit.

As soon as he's done his knee, I remember, I still remember, like, very clear that, rocking

up to the game, and our head performance at the time had said, hey, mate, I just want

to prepare you, but no, he's done his ACL, and my heart, I remember my heart sinking,

and he goes, I just need to tell you, obviously, you've got to prepare for a game in that,

but, so I remember going in, it was a lot of pain.

Well, he's a head of performance.

Yeah.

Might have ruined the performance of that game, wouldn't he?

Yeah.

Well, I was obviously going to find out, so, I remember walking in, and seeing him, and

he was in a, you know, bad way, he was obviously trying to be in his best spirits as possible,

I remember the doc giving him, the doc, the doc, obviously, it was so much pain, bro,

the doc gave him anti-inflammatories.

And Panadine Fort.

I'm like, doc, I'm not playing, give me, give me Tremies, give me something, just knock

me out, bro.

And then, like, coming home, and that.

And I remember him getting surgery, and we had to swap rooms, because he was upstairs,

and couldn't really get upstairs, so he stayed in my room, and there was a time, I don't

know if you want to, about the ambulance.

Oh, mate.

I had no idea, like, I had no idea, slept through this whole thing, but he was in so

much, like, excruciating pain, I slept through this whole thing, ambulance, all the ambos

had come to the house, took him to hospital.

Um, obviously, check on him, and they couldn't really do anything for you, could they?

Yeah, that was.

Where was the pain coming from?

Just your knee?

Bro, I wasn't sleeping.

That was when I was, like, I was on prescriptions, that's when I was probably in my big struggle

that I started, like, prescriptions, I was, I had the drugs, I wasn't sleeping, I had,

like, three or four days.

What prescriptions were you taking?

Oh, like, I was on Endones.

Yeah.

I probably pumped a few Valiums in there.

Yeah.

Other drugs and stuff, and then I hadn't slept for, yeah, three or four days, and I was having

psychosis, and I was like, fuck, I was just, like, hearing voices and shit.

Fuck.

That was cool, guys.

I woke up in the morning, and he told me, like, oh, I went to hospital, and I was like,

what?

What?

Sleep through a hurricane as well.

Like, last night, just got a eight-hour skip, man.

People start breaking their house, driving me, fucking, 12 hours sleep, wake up, nothing's

here, whatever.

And I do sort of, like, I do sort of remember him kind of saying to me, like, yeah, I'm

not in a good way, and that sort of, like, rattled me a bit, and I was like, well, I

don't really know what to do.

Because as a man, like, especially me, emotionally, I'm not very in check, and I don't do good

with emotions, so I don't really.

You'd be surprised, but a lot of guys don't, man.

Yeah, exactly.

Especially now.

I didn't know, like, how to, like, be there for him or say, ask if you're all right.

I tried to, but I didn't know, like, if he'd want that.

And then I remember him calling me saying he was going to rehab, and that was pretty

tough as well, because we were roomies at the time, and I was like, shit, this is, like,

a serious problem.

He's actually really struggling.

I remember him getting out, I went to his graduation, that was pretty cool, and there's

one thing he probably won't say that he should be proud of, he's the only one out of his

group, out of the rehab group, that hasn't relapsed yet.

Oh, really?

Yeah, so he's, yeah, obviously the only one that hasn't relapsed, which is something to

be proud of, because how many people are in there?

It'd be 10 plus.

20, 30 people.

Yeah, 20, 30 people, and he's the only one.

We went through about four checks in two days.

One of us, like, quit.

Yeah.

It was like, deep, bro.

Once he got out, and he started to work on himself, and started to find out what he would

like to do, and I was feeding off his energy, like, he was asking me if I was okay, and

we'd sit down and have a chat, do all that stuff, and not all the time, but very, I suppose.

Just enough, eh?

Yeah, just enough.

Just the little check-ins, yeah.

He was always checking up on me, and I didn't even, I suppose, I've got problems, but I

wasn't the one that just sort of...

I was the one that, you know, didn't just get out of rehab, but...

Yeah.

So, it was more, we were actually having conversations about life, and in general life, and it's

actually pretty cool to think back that, you know, he sort of, he wouldn't know this, and

I'm not bullshitting when I say this, just because it's on camera, but he sort of changed

the way, you know, I think about life, and go about it, and checking up on my mates,

and as I said, man, I was trying to feed off his energy as well, and then, obviously, him

getting out of rehab, that sort of made me think, well, I obviously love to have a beer

and enjoy that part, but I'd always said that I don't want to be the one to make him relapse.

Like, that just wasn't non-negotiable for me, and didn't want him to be around it.

Obviously, I'd go out, but I said to him, I did say to him, if you're ever going to,

like, have a beer and that, I'm not to be around, I do not want to be around you, because

I know for a fact, I'll sort of be the one to blame myself, and people will blame me

for that.

So, I tried to steer him away from that.

I would come home, you know, hungover, and that was the time.

That was the best thing for me, bro.

Yeah, that makes you feel better, eh?

I'd be up at 5.30, 6am, going for walks, I'd come home, he's dead on the couch, until

about midday, just Uber Eats, Uber Eats, sleep, and go, fuck that, what am I missing

out on him?

That was the time, there was one time I'd come home, and I was, I must have been really

loud, really loud in the lounge room, and he couldn't say, he's not a good sleeper at

the best of times, and he'd come into my room.

Angry as.

Next door, banging on doors, yeah, you want to sleep, bro, you want to sleep, bro.

And they were taking a photo of me, and I was just, I looked like death, but then thinking

like, fuck, I didn't want to be the one to, you know, have alcohol or shit like that around

him, so.

Yeah.

It was hard to see, but then again, like, it's pretty cool to see him now, how far he's

come, and it's pretty, as a mate, you're proud.

Fuck you, Nani, mad.

What's a couple of the couple of things that you've taken out from rehab that you do every

day now that keeps you in check?

Because I always see you take photos of your socks and stuff, like, is that just a little

reminder?

Yeah, I just like spreading positivity, I really, I really choose what I consume on

social media, I think you talk about it a lot, like, what you consume, what you look

at is what you sort of feel.

I like kind of, I try and stay off all the reels and all that kind of stuff, look at

positive, like, positive content, read books, walk, like, just sort of keep busy in good

ways.

I was going to a lot of meetings at the start, now I'm probably a bit too, I'm a lot, I'm

very busy these days, but also, like, started giving back was, like, a big thing they talk

about, so, like, I started feeding the homeless every Wednesday, or every Wednesday I can

get there every second week, which was a really, like, big eye-opener, like, you think you

got, you know, you think you got problems, you think you got going on, and people that,

like, struggle to find houses and food and that kind of stuff, it's just a bit of a perspective

change, and you talk to people with, like, that kind of scene, it's pretty powerful stuff.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

And then, and then another guy, like...

Randomly, like, I sort of share my story, and then someone sort of comes to me, like,

my husband's really struggling with alcohol, are you able to, like, have a chat to him

and see if you can, you know, help him?

I was like, what?

I imagine, like, six months ago, someone asked me if I can help him get off the pier, so

I was like, you talking to the right guy?

So I said, this guy was, like, you know, struggling, he's had a tough time, and now he's, like,

two and a half months sober, so that sort of, for me, like, gave me, like, gives me

back what I want to need, and help this guy get sober, and now we're good mates, and...

It's the best feeling, eh?

Mate, it's amazing, yeah.

We started a business, me and this guy.

I used?

Yeah, it was.

Oh, that's sick.

That's sick.

One of, like, my very first podcast I did was with Travis Young, and he talked about

the time he tried to commit suicide, and he was writing his son a suicide note, and he

ended up in rehab, and I still get messages today from, like, partners or guys that have

gone to rehab from that single podcast, so I keep spreading the message.

You'd be surprised how common it is.

Yeah, oh, 100%.

I couldn't, like, when I started to get those messages, I did that story, it was crazy,

man.

Yeah, for sure.

I remember watching an interview with you.

I can see when you're about to leave the Titans, and I can see you're an emotional

guy, the way you play the game, and obviously you'd be filthy if you left the Titans, but

what's the expectations coming from a team like the Titans, where, respectfully to the

boys, you're not expected to do too much, coming down to Sydney, South Sydney, you've

got a good team, you've got Wayne Bennett, you're expected to win.

What was the clear differences coming from Goldie to here?

Oh, I'm trying to think back, eh?

It was, there was a lot.

You never wanted to leave, eh?

No, I was so in my comfort.

What did you do with the Spoons?

In all honesty, no, I only won one.

I only won one.

You had a nice Spoon.

Yeah.

Mate.

Like, looking back, my last year there, we won, like, six on the trot, yeah, we finished

ninth, just, you know, bees dick away, but there was a lot of factors, I was in my comfort

zone, up home, I didn't want to leave, and then the opportunity arose to come down to

South.

And, you know, with Sammy retiring, I remember getting a phone call from both JD and Wayne

saying that they wanted to get me down, and this was midway through negotiations with

the Goldie and Tigers, and South sort of popped out of nowhere, and you see the, I saw, obviously,

the squad, coaches, the club, what it's about, it's rich history, I didn't really know too

much then, but, obviously, now, being at the club, learning about the club, I'm like, oh,

it's a pretty rich history, and so much, the club's been around forever, you know,

factors were, there was a lot of, I suppose, one, where I thought I'd, you know, win more

games, and potentially, you know, go all the way, and then, also, South just refused

to give up, hey, like, they refused to give up.

They felt, they would feel nice, wouldn't they?

Yeah, absolutely, and as a human being, you just, you want to feel wanted, as a person,

and I felt wanted.

I felt wanted at this club, and I couldn't say no to them, and I had, they flew up, flew

up, come and see me, had a meeting, my best mate's mum and dad house, sold me, you know,

first of all, he, I don't know if he was just trying to sell me this, it was Shane Richardson,

he goes, mate, just got off the phone to Rusty, he's telling me he wants to get you down and

stuff, so, yeah, that was, obviously, yeah, playing the Rusty card, that was pretty cool,

but then, did you go to his farm?

Oh, nah.

When they really want someone, they can take Rusty, they can take the Rusty's farm.

Yeah, that was with Trell.

Heard about the farm.

That was with Trell.

Only, like, only Lumbercenters, and Chelsea.

Didn't Sammy stay there?

Oh, yeah.

They're best mates.

Best mates, yeah.

And then, I was in my comfort zone, you know, I thought, you know what, I'm, this club wants

me so bad, I just, I can't say no to them, and then, looking at the, that time then,

I only knew Wayne, JD, Gags, and Sewer at the time.

Yeah.

Well, they're the only four.

People that I knew well at the club didn't know this Derek, didn't know, you know, anyone.

Didn't like him.

Yeah, played against him, but I come down, it was the best decision I ever made.

I was getting out of my comfort zone, coming to somewhere new, I didn't just expect to

come down and, you know, say, start, I sort of put two and two together, how good Ken

Murray is, and the pact that they had, I sort of knew that I was going to come off the bench,

and I was...

I was more than happy to do that, like, I was, I was excited for that challenge, and

I feel as though I can play my...

Does starting a bench really matter anymore?

Yeah, that's what I mean.

It's changed so much, I think I'm on the bench to play 60 now.

Yeah.

You can play 40, 50 minutes, it doesn't matter how you play, you're playing it anyway.

I feel as though I can play, I play my best footy off the bench, you know, you get those

big boys, Junior and Hame, perfect example, take the sting out of the game for me, I can

come on and just have fun in a way, and bring energy, be aggressive, and play my game.

See where Tommy V goes for us now, he's coming off the back fence.

Right.

He's on fire.

He's on fire, bro.

He's on fire.

He's one of the best middles, like, the bench, you know, back in the day, like, you're a

benchy, you're considered maybe, like, a bit less thin, but, like, it's just a different

role these days.

He's been so good off the bench.

Yeah.

But, fact is, you know, it was the club didn't give up, and I wanted to win.

More cash, eh?

You told me more cash.

But, yeah, that's good.

It wasn't much more.

I was...

I was gearing up.

Yeah.

It wasn't much more.

It's not as what...

It's not what, say, the media made it out to be.

Yeah.

But...

Never is.

Yeah, never is.

It was honestly nowhere near what they made it out to be, but, yeah, it was just...

I wanted to get out of my comfort zone.

I needed to.

I was so content up there.

I needed to get away.

I was...

Mate, I was on the piss every week up there going to the Burley Pav.

To be honest.

You were banned from all the pubs up there, weren't you?

Good spot.

Well, I'm banned from them now.

I don't like them there, but...

Are you banned from there?

Not banned, but...

Gets kicked out more than I was.

I get kicked out sober.

That's no word of a lie.

I get kicked out sober at the Burley Pav.

I don't know how.

They could judge a camera.

You don't even remember what you do drunk.

Well, I do.

I do, but...

No reason to get kicked out, anyway.

I reckon it's just because I'm too loud.

I'm too loud and fun.

Too fun.

You're too fun.

Yeah, too fun.

It's their fault, mate.

They're missing out on you.

Even at training, you can't have fun these days.

Yeah, there's a couple you can't really gain, yeah.

You've got a good crew, though.

I'm rolling into the spicy part of the year for you, Origin.

What's up?

Let's talk about...

Well, if you get picked...

Yeah.

I'm sure you get picked, in my opinion.

It's not a chance, though.

Yeah, trying to be...

It's a real vibe, yeah.

Like, you guys, I think it's the first time in a long time

where teams almost match up.

Like, there's times where I've looked at New South Wales

and I'm like,

these poor blokes are going to get pumped

and you guys have come back and won some series,

especially over the past three years.

What was it like winning a couple of those special series?

Yeah, it was pretty...

It was surreal because I had not won in a comp,

stuff like that,

to actually have that winning feeling of something.

I remember my first one in 2020.

I was...

Honestly,

no one could take that feeling away,

how happy I was.

Yeah.

Obviously, definitely celebrated like we won as well.

I had the best time ever.

I was there.

I know, I know.

I do remember that.

The first night...

Apparently, you were in some pretty good form.

Mate, the first night...

I don't remember.

Top three world's lowest drunks.

Yeah, I was bad.

I remember...

I don't know if I should be saying this.

I remember after we won,

we all got on the pierce and we...

Anyway, we got on the bus,

and went to Byron.

And then I had no recollection being at a pub.

And apparently, I was yelling, screaming, singing,

all the above.

Were you nude?

Not at the pub?

At the house.

Yes.

Naked, drunk, every time.

Yes.

Certainly, it's like the 12th beer.

I better get naked.

It's like a habitual thing.

I remember passing out.

I actually passed out in the shower.

And I remember waking up going,

Oh, my God.

What have I done?

And I walked out,

and I walked down to the boys.

And the first thing I said,

I'm sorry.

I was excited.

I'm sorry for being a punish.

I know I can be.

But just that feeling of winning,

just I was so excited.

And just didn't want to miss out on anything.

So I was just...

I was everywhere bouncing off everyone.

But winning, it was pretty special.

Pretty special feeling.

Last year was crazy.

Game three, especially.

I remember that.

That was...

It went so quick.

That was the best game I've ever...

I think I've ever watched.

It was...

Entertainment-wise.

It was so interesting.

It was so crazy.

You were just getting knocked out.

Everyone was knocked out.

I'm trying to remember game three.

I remember the atmosphere

when Benny Hunt took that intercept as well.

That was just...

It was crazy, man.

And especially at Suncorp.

I think that's the best thing as a Queenslander,

running out at Suncorp.

If you've got 52,000 people

just going absolutely mental.

And obviously, you have New South Wales

running out before you.

And you can honestly feel the vibration

underneath the stadium of just boos.

Yeah.

And then...

It's hectic.

So when New South Wales run out,

it's just like...

But then when you run out,

you feel the grass vibrating

and it's just...

Man.

It gives me goosebumps thinking about it.

It's a surreal feeling.

It's something I'll always remember.

I always laugh when Queenslanders say,

like, origin means more to us.

In my opinion, it does.

Yeah.

But then all the New South Wales people

get so cut about it.

They just don't get it.

Especially the players.

Yeah, they just don't get origin, bro.

They just don't get it.

Oh, yeah.

Those stupid commentators.

Oh, there's origin.

I don't mind biased commentators in origin.

I think that's the way it should be.

Unless you're Ray Warren.

100%.

I like it.

But, you know,

they just feel good.

Queenslanders want it more.

All this kind of stuff.

And it seems like over the years,

obviously, you guys have had a lot more success.

Well, recently.

There's little moments.

There's big things that happen.

The Queenslanders are there.

Right.

I think Nico Hines summed it up perfectly.

Like, around origin time,

there's just so much passion that,

you know, you do have a hatred

for the other state.

Yeah, for sure.

I won't talk to you for six weeks.

Yeah.

I mean,

with some pretty good sixes in Clubland

and origin,

what's some clear differences

between someone like Cody Walker

and Cam Munster?

Very similar in ways.

We'll say that at the start.

Very instinctive,

off-the-cuff players.

But then I'd say

Munster is more

cool, calm and collected.

Does nothing phases him.

And Cody,

as you've seen on field,

can get a little very heated.

They're two differences,

for sure.

Yep.

But very, obviously,

both great players,

instinctive players.

Cody's a lot more structured

than you think,

than a lot of people think.

Adam Reynolds told me that.

He's just very,

he's just very smart

with his decisions.

Very,

always just seems to pick

the right option

at the right time,

but very structured

in some ways

where he wants us to get to

and stuff like that.

Yeah.

Munster,

as I said,

he's just...

He's just big time,

isn't he?

You don't know

what he's going to do,

honestly.

But then again,

you don't know

what Cody's going to do either.

He just,

he's so instinctive.

I physically don't know

how he does it,

because I'm thinking

under pressure,

you've got defenders

shooting out.

Origin,

he just carved that.

Last year or the year before,

he just was untouchable.

In 2020,

he was untouchable

with that game one last year

and he was just stripping

the ball when the game was on.

Yeah,

Origin games,

big game player.

Big game player, man.

Just makes it look so easy.

It's fun to watch from the outside.

Must be a pleasure to play with.

Yeah, absolutely.

Very grateful

that I've been able to play

with the likes of those two,

for sure.

Yeah.

All right,

I'm going to write off some names,

you guys,

just give me some,

whatever first comes to your head.

Campbell Graham,

just run us through him.

Oh,

he's a great player.

Tough.

Like as a player,

person?

Person.

Ooh.

Soft.

Gentle soul.

Yeah, is he?

Yeah.

I've seen him knocking about the East

a little bit lately.

Yeah.

He's a busy man.

Yeah, he's busy.

He's really,

he's coming out of his shell

in all aspects of life.

Yeah,

good.

So single at the moment,

is he?

Yeah,

very single.

Yeah,

you can't like,

obviously,

we know all you boys are out,

he's all big boys,

but he's tall.

He's tall,

man,

that's why he's stretched.

He's got a long thing.

He's a big,

long thing.

A little hanging off next to him,

too,

he's like.

It's the hair.

The old halfback and captain,

Adam Reynolds.

Obviously,

you guys got a pretty good

relationship with him.

Right,

it was the best watching this game

against you guys,

because obviously,

he knew everything about you.

Out the back,

just throwing passes.

Picking off Cam's passes.

Yeah,

intercepting and pumps.

He's a snake.

Bro,

he pumped him,

too.

Yeah,

he fed him,

man.

Cam Murray.

Oh,

he fed Cam at the back

or something?

He knew what was going on.

He was very good to tell me,

actually,

about that Renault.

That's the best hit I've ever put on.

I was like,

when?

I didn't want to give him anything.

I said,

when?

He goes,

on camera.

I was like,

oh,

yeah,

it was a good shot,

man.

Good.

Well done.

I miss Renault,

man.

He was the best little vibe.

Every day,

coming to training,

just screaming at people,

spraying people.

He was the biggest punish,

but he had the best energy.

He was the best,

once a month,

he'd come into training,

kicking stones,

bottom lip,

and that'd be like his down day

for the month.

Other than that,

man,

he's all positivity.

Yeah,

he's come in this office quite a bit

and just sort of hang out and chill.

We used to have some mad chats,

bro.

I used to love talking to him

and he's like diverse,

a lot of love.

Yeah,

he really is.

He's got a good mind,

man.

Yeah,

it must be good and bad

seeing him doing well at the Broncos.

He's fucking,

he's taking them to the next level.

Yeah,

obviously,

it really happened for his success

because he deserves it.

He's up there

and they rock up there.

Yeah,

big fan base too.

What do you say to him on the field

and stuff?

You just into him all the time?

No,

you do.

We obviously have banter with him

and stuff,

but then like when we're off the field

and mates

and went and saw his mansion up there.

Oh,

he's got a house,

doesn't he?

Yeah,

he's got a house,

yeah.

Show us around,

you have general chat,

see how he's going.

He's obviously telling us

how good it is up there

and how much he loves it up there.

Can add some DST to a story actually.

Oh,

yeah,

if you've got 12 cars,

he's got 13.

He's captain of GST.

If he made 10 green,

he made 24.

Whatever it is,

that's probably his gambling stories.

Yeah,

120,

lost third the day before.

Don't worry about that.

If you're going to double bay,

he's going to triple bay.

Yeah,

yeah,

one of those,

but he's the best for it.

Don't steal that one too,

training.

Oh,

that was hectic.

Last name on the list,

Nathan Feets.

Oh,

angry.

A bipolar?

Yeah.

Oh,

oh,

I've never seen someone stress so much as like a grown man,

eh?

He's a good man,

PT.

I actually,

I really miss him.

I miss him and his family.

Yeah,

we were doing,

we were doing this fridge to fridge one time

and Goldie over Christmas

and he come off his bike.

I saw that actually.

Come off his bike,

bro,

for the next hour,

he's like,

I literally could have died.

And I go,

bro,

you're nowhere near.

Well,

you look after my family,

bro.

You're an hour,

bro,

sulking,

because you come off a bike.

He's a stress head.

A good man.

I love him to death.

I've seen him

midway through training,

playing a game,

kick a ball over a fence

and walked off the field

and went up to the lockers

and we had to finish training without him.

Remember when Cody did that?

Yeah,

Cody's done that.

Yeah,

I've heard Cody's done one of those.

Tommy,

I must be like,

I don't know what happened on the field.

He was a bit rattled.

Tommy did something to piss him off.

Probably just breathed.

And he like,

we were in the gym

and it never used to matter.

But like,

I wasn't even training shorts.

It was like,

like gym shorts

and like whatever brand.

And in time,

Cody's blown up.

Put some fucking shorts on.

He's like,

worry about your own backyard.

Something like that.

Just a little comment.

Worry about your own backyard.

Just worry about you lad.

Or something like that.

He's like,

stormed out,

took his stuff,

went home.

He got fined 500 for it.

Fair enough.

It was just like,

it was so funny, man.

Him and Tommy like,

Tommy just gets on his nerves.

They really have a love-hate relationship.

Lots of love,

but then they just,

Tommy just gets on his nerves,

man.

Sometimes you just got that person,

man.

You got no patience for Tommy.

No,

man.

None.

None whatsoever.

He really grinds Cody's gears.

It's actually,

I love it.

I love it so much.

Because Cody always just

shit out of me,

aye.

Oh,

your-

Pinsches,

I got bruises on the back of my arms

from him pinching me,

like constantly,

all day.

That's annoying.

Pinsches your hammies and that,

like those little,

yeah,

cold water all the time.

Man,

look at Ilias.

Man,

no ringworm heifer on there.

Clean.

Oh,

I got a PT story for you.

When he was at Para,

they just signed Isaac de Goyce.

Oh,

no,

that would've went down well.

Yeah.

And so all the boys are on the piss,

and like normally he starts layering up.

He's like,

thanks BA.

And he's like,

thanks BA.

Yeah,

what do you mean?

Now,

it's fine in a decent hooker for once.

And team demo in front of all the boys,

and then PT trying to floor them.

Border lip.

Yeah,

sulking.

Gets home on the phone,

fuck you,

wait till I see you at training camp.

Another one,

fuck,

sorry,

PC,

just fucking.

Yeah.

It was this box party,

and obviously his missus went on the hens and stuff,

and like got a stripper and stuff on,

but her nan was like FaceTiming it live,

and he just said,

Nick.

Oh,

yeah,

I remember that.

He's the stress,

bro,

he just said,

Nick,

what the fuck?

He took that pretty well,

actually.

Yeah.

He took it better than I thought he was going.

Oh,

that's some bad jokes.

Yeah,

that's some bad jokes,

bro.

Such a footy thing.

Our physio is a bit like that.

He's not a good guy.

It's all bad jokes.

Anyway,

he went away one time,

and I was like,

mate,

your missus.

Last guy on the list,

Toby Rudolph,

and he sort of rolls in nicely to our next little.

Extravagant.

Yeah,

he's a nice dude,

bro.

I met him with Morello one time.

He's an interesting creature.

Morello.

Yeah,

I know Morello.

Everyone knows Morello.

Very interesting creature,

Toby.

Yeah.

I love him,

man.

Can you tell the doorstep?

Oh,

yeah.

He doesn't.

Yeah.

No,

if you haven't in our day.

No,

that's a sweet story.

It's on my body.

It's not a lie.

It's not a lie,

but every once in a while,

he's told me a story when he was still at South.

And,

so I don't always tell the story.

Like,

anything that you want him to do,

I always say to him,

like,

you won't do it.

You always have to prove yourself.

Like,

you won't do it.

What am I doing?

What,

we're under a brick wall?

Yeah,

that's right.

So he always is getting to do pranks and that.

They had a little tiff,

whatever it was.

And then you come back from Queensland.

And then Maroubra,

he's like,

so I was like,

oh,

you talk to Sam.

Oh,

no,

you don't talk to me anymore.

Fuck him,

blah,

blah.

And he's like,

I mean,

I want to show his doorstep.

And so I just goes,

you won't.

And he goes,

all right.

And he went home,

like,

got a pussy bag,

shot the pussy bag,

like,

drove to Sam's house,

put it in an envelope,

left it on his front door,

put it in there.

Well,

man,

Sam's missus at the time,

found it,

big blow ass,

but it was so quick.

He's a full on man child,

but he's the best,

best friend,

best mate.

So you guys got a podcast and stuff now?

Yeah,

me and Tavis did.

What was the idea for that?

We were talking about it ages ago,

man,

like years and years,

like,

you know,

those things,

talk about mates,

want to do this,

we'll do this one day.

Yeah,

yeah,

sweet.

Have you listened?

No,

not yet.

It's a good one,

Sam did actually,

Sam was good.

Oh yeah?

Yeah,

but,

yeah,

one of those things,

and then I got out of,

like,

you know,

I started on this,

like,

personal development journey,

I was like,

I don't know,

our main theme,

we talk a lot of shit,

our main theme's like,

we just want to encourage people,

like,

doesn't matter where you come from,

like,

just have a crack,

just work hard enough,

you can achieve shit,

you know,

like,

we're like examples,

like where I started,

and we've just gotten there,

we just drew it,

we made that thing go,

we went for it.

Like,

thanks a ton of tech,

it was,

and you know,

the names are great,

like,

we made hundreds of,

of musketeers,

but that's just another thing,

it's a good thing,

you got to let people know

that you're turning,

you're dónde,

you got to take your350.

And that's a good thing,

because on Twitter,

I mean,

you smell like shit.

When you turn

like close **wat?**

Right?

So,

that's cool.

Yeah,

that's pretty cool,

man.

is it hiding the ringworm

maybe

that's what we have to get

Tommy on

if Tommy B comes on

he's got a big tag mania

he has to get him

like a mask

he's growing a farm

he's growing ringworm

he's got a farm

get a little ringworm

on the Rabbitohs logo

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