Sports Performance Osteopath Fabrice Gautier On Working With Tony Parker Carmelo Anthony Candace Par

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What's up you guys, I'm Rachel Demita and welcome to the Courtside Club.

Today I am joined by sport performance osteopath.

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Fabrice Gauthier.

Yes, perfect.

Welcome to the Courtside Club.

Thank you, thank you for having me.

I'm so excited to have you.

We've known each other for a little while now and I thought this conversation would be a really good one for our courtside audience.

I talk to a lot of athletes, entertainers, but we don't get the other side of the sport.

We see them on the court, we look at their highlights, we talk about how they play in a game,

but we don't really understand everything that they go through off the court.

And you're a big part of that.

For our courtside...

Club viewers, tell them a little bit about what you do.

I'm coming from France.

I came to United States in 99.

Um, I'm a physical therapist and a European osteopath, which is a little bit more like a chiropractor.

And I've been working with professional athletes pretty much all my life back in France.

And when I moved to LA a little bit less for the first few years and then it kind of came back to me and I've been the osteopath for the French

National.

So I started my own team with Tony Parker, Boris Diaw, all those guys, Nick Batum, and I opened a practice in LA and started to work with some of the best athletes in the world, little by little, word of mouth.

You don't have to be humble.

I didn't set you up properly.

You work with some of the biggest athletes across all professional sports.

Yeah.

NBA, NFL, soccer.

Some of them.

Some of them.

Yeah, because, you know, there's like NBA, for example.

There's 450 players about, so there's room for everyone,

but I work with some that I'm very fond of

because they're really nice guys or girls

because I work also with WNBA players.

Candice is somebody, right?

She's more than somebody.

She's like my little sister.

Candice, Chelsea Gray, Shine Ogumike, Nneka Ogumike.

I started this year.

Powerhouses in sports.

You worked with Carmelo Anthony for a long time as well.

Since 2010.

Carmelo, Kyle Kuzma right now,

Andre Robertson, obviously, that's how we met,

which was a crazy story.

Wait, how did you guys meet?

I only know from the office visits.

Frankie Delgado.

So when Andre was struggling a little bit,

basically was not able to play,

Frankie gave him my informations.

Frankie Delgado is a former actor, manager at EID.

He's the guy in L.A.

Everybody knows Frankie.

And he hooked us up.

And Andre was at, I would say,

probably at the end of thinking that he was not going to play again.

And we started to work together, me and Berenz Betos,

which is a very close friend of mine,

who was a neuromuscular therapist.

That worked with Kobe for 20 years.

And we started to try to get him better.

And we got him better in like three, four months.

And he played in the bubble.

Yeah, that's how we met.

So when I met Dre,

I didn't follow much of his story beyond that.

I knew he got hurt, but I didn't know the intricacies of it.

And when I first met him, he wasn't even walking properly.

I actually felt bad a couple of times because we would hang out

and I would forget that he was injured.

Yes.

So I'd just be walking normally and I would turn around and I'm like,

oh my God, I'm so sorry, because he would just be coming down the stairs.

So I've seen that journey from, you know,

a couple of months after surgery to working with you,

to getting back in the bubble.

I actually cried seeing him play for the first time.

Yeah, me too.

I was there.

I was in the bubble with Rudy Gobert.

He's the Utah Jazz.

And we were watching the game in the treatment room.

That's awesome.

And there's two players like that that made me cry.

Like when it was so emotional for him.

Yeah.

For him to come back and hit those threes,

which he wasn't necessarily the best at doing so.

Yeah.

And just to see him, I'm telling you, I cried.

Oh, I did too.

I was like, wait, what's happening?

It was very, I was so happy for him because I knew how hard it was to come back from that.

And that's how I started my business pretty much.

I had the players were like, I had Jackie J. Melos, she played at USC.

I think she was recruited by UConn at like 13 years old.

Yeah.

She was that amazing basketball player.

She tore her first ACL in high school, last game.

And she tore it five more times at USC.

Oh, wow.

And she got drafted by Minnesota.

But when she came into the office, she was like, I'm done.

And it was the same ACL or different?

Both knees.

Oh, wow.

She just kept tearing it out.

And Allison Geller, our agent, introduced me to her and we started to work together.

And she played it like seven years.

And first time I saw her play against the Sparks, I think she, I don't remember, I think she was with the Chicago Sky, and she took a big girl off the dribble and scored a layup.

The whole family was, everyone was crying.

Everyone was like, the amount of strength, mental strength and work you have to put in, the amount of depression sometimes that you go through to be able to overcome that, you know, it's big time.

What I've noticed sometimes as well is you can trust yourself and your skill.

But you also have to trust your body.

Yep.

And when you go through an injury that's so tough, like even an ACL, the normal timeline is what, nine months to a year?

Right now, I mean, yeah.

Without you, let's just say.

You see more the franchise because the players are so expensive, they have a tendency to take a little bit more time.

And sometimes it's a good idea.

Sometimes it's not, I feel it's not such a good idea because the player is going to lose that rhythm and that confidence that he has.

Right.

But you cannot put him back on the court if he's not ready.

Right.

But you have ways to get ready faster.

For example, Spencer, he was cleared at five months and a half and he came back at nine months.

Spencer Dinwiddie.

Dinwiddie.

But you see like Porzingis, Jamal Murray took about a year and a half.

Kawhi, you know, and it varies from one players to another.

But yeah, an ACL, I would say it's 12 to 12 months.

Right.

That sounds like normal.

And it depends on your sport.

Like you have skiers who come back in like six months.

And basketball players, too.

And I'll focus a little bit more on them because it's what I'm most familiar with.

And you've worked with quite a bit.

Yeah.

It's my niche.

Obviously, you have so many different directions you're going in basketball and you have players who play differently.

Like if you look at a Russell Westbrook style player, he's explosive at all times.

And then you look at someone maybe like a JJ Redick who is not.

He's more of a finesse player.

Not as quick.

So their bodies are going to adapt differently depending on the kind of injury, how they come back from it, how quick it takes them to get back.

And sometimes they're going to sustain injury due to their style of playing as well.

Yeah.

And that's where I think we pride ourselves is that whenever I get a patient or a player coming into the office, you have a tendency to, oh, I'm going to rehab your ACL.

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We're going to rehab Spencer.

Yeah.

So it's not just the ACL.

So you remember that Clay Thompson, and I don't know anything about the rehab.

I don't want to say that they did something wrong or not, but he rehabbed his ACL, but

he tears his Achilles.

Yeah.

It could be just pure bad luck or wear and tear, but you really try to not just focus

on the actual site of the injury.

You try to focus on the whole body and the whole person.

So how would you do that?

to to kind of make sure that you're not rehabbing one thing but weakening or creating some sort of

imbalance to where you're more prone yeah i mean it's a it's a it's it takes a village

it takes a village for let's let's take spencer's example so a good surgeon first a good patient

first you is he put in he did put the work like dre they did put the work spencer didn't rehab

with the net he came to la where he's that's where he's from he has all his support system

and he would start at 8 a.m and he would finish at like 2 p.m non-stop between mike guevara was

stretching doing the strength and conditioning on the other aspect mike g right my g yeah coach

mike g yes mr do it moving yeah shoot out a great guy um he had his old team between barons myself

uh he had his old team set up and all his and he was

working six six six days a week you know at it um and and that's how that's the only way you can do

it fast and and efficiently you have to put in the work and it's a full day job uh so it's a mix

between proprioception strength osteopathic to make sure the what was the cause of the injury

had issue with his ankles his lower back and and little by little you just put the athletes back

into pieces you know like yeah you you you would um send off a whole classic car completely to to

to remove all the rust right and put it back together something that you touched on is that

spencer stepped away from the nets to come to la and this is during season yeah to work with you

and like you said put in hours from 8 a.m to whatever time he started the first week and a

half with the nets and then he moved here uh-huh and then worked

he actually flew barons before the surgery because he has that special treatment that

before you get surgery it prevents swelling so just not having a swelling knee swollen

knee after surgery gives us three weeks okay of of right jump start and then he decided to come

and i personally think even so the franchise they're a little bit they don't like it because

they like to control i think it's the best idea for those type of surgery not not that the

franchise is not able to rehab you but you're committed six seven hours of work every day

non-stop right and most of the athletic trainers physical therapies with the team they have to take

care of the other players right so it's not necessarily because because andre did the same

thing with the thunder for two years yeah and came with you but came with you for a little while

yeah before i think they let him go they were at that point i felt that they were they were nice

but they were at that point where like and it's also a little bit like it's a little bit like

also sometimes it's a different pair of eyes yeah it's not that the the okc did the wrong a bad job

right it's it's a different set of eyes and a different um scenario for the player right mentally

yeah like if you've been grueling trying to rehab yourself in the same okc setup maybe you need

fresh air maybe you need a different perspective on on your knee and that's what happened and in

the end worked out for everybody because he was able to go back and

contribute to the team and even nothing against the staff at all i think okc has one of the best

staffs in the nba but you're right that there isn't that much time for a player who is rehabbing

and trying to get back to what they really love if if they are going through kind of the day-to-day

of what every other healthy player is going through also and you know now the staffs they

are like they're i think they're overstaffed a little bit there's just some franchise they have

a little bit too many people

um but so they would be able to keep someone to stay with the player if the player is not traveling

with the team yeah and and that's going to be also different from one players to another some

players they want to they want they're going to want to be with the team because such a big part

of them they're going to want to be around the guys want to be in the locker room maybe they

have a um uh personality of being like almost like a mentor to the younger kids so they want

to be there i would say i don't know him at all but a eudonis haslam injured himself i have a

feeling that he would like to be with the team so it's again they're so unique all those players

has to be tailor-made there's no real recipe for success i mean there is some ingredients of

success that you need to do but you always tailor like you do a tailor-made the suit

same thing in terms of rehab in terms of strength and conditioning in terms of all those different

aspects recovery you have to figure out what's what works and what doesn't work and you have to

figure out what works for you was there any player who ever came to you that you were like

i don't even know if this is possible if we can get you back healthy yep yep um a festus easily

okay you did his podcast recently you guys are buds now we were buds since the beginning he's

such a great soul um but i didn't know i didn't know if we were going to be able to to get him

because of the the extent of the

injuries and surgeries that he had was it just the number of injuries or was it one specific

everything number the damage to to his cartilage um a lot like yeah a little bit of everything

yeah and um and we tried we tried for and i i don't know we would have to ask festus he was also

i always say it's always trying to get my goal in those type of rehab is to try to get the athlete

to a point where he can

retire on his own terms because it's very frustrating not to be able to to stop your

career on an injury and not to be able to decide okay that's it i'm done i have nothing left boom

and he played again a little bit but there was also the question is like

the balance between trying to play at all cost and you have 40 50 years left of life

of life yeah you might get kids you want to play with your kids

right

and then you have to go that far trying to um to mess up your knee even more do we take that risk

so there was a whole discussion it was very deep uh very deep rehab with with festus and that goes

back to the mentality that you always talk about as well the mentality and the mental aspect of

being injured of not being able to play of i mean we can call it depression it's it's it's that's

pretty much what it is so you need also to help rebuild the mental right you know the emotions

and the associated with the mental health and the mental health and the mental health and the mental

trauma.

from a professional athlete so you were an athlete i was an athlete as well there's also

an identity that comes with it when you dedicate your entire life to a sport and so ever thinking

about this has to end everybody knows that their career will end at some point yeah you know

whether that is because you wanted to step away from the game like i had the ability to do when

i'm grateful for that that i was i was done playing so i walked away it was never an injury

that stopped me yeah it's a trauma for a professional athlete it's a trauma for a professional

But there are some people who don't have that grace either.

Personally, I had a stress fracture on my tibia when I was trying to make the professional team in Paris in basketball.

So I had to stop basketball, which was my first love.

But then I went to physical therapy school and that was another passion of mine.

I knew I wanted to be associated with sports and fixing people at an early age.

And by working with a rugby team, after three years of physical therapy, I started playing rugby.

And they're like, oh, you're tall, you're athletic, you're at practice, why don't you play with us?

And I started to play rugby at a higher level than basketball.

And it was like, it was my sport.

That's crazy.

It should have been my sport.

How old were you?

I was 20, so I graduated 1922, 23.

So I was between 23 and 25.

Is when you started playing rugby?

Yes, I never played before.

That's insane.

When I moved to LA, I was the biggest Magic Johnson fan.

I played rugby.

I played rugby for two years at Long Beach.

I didn't even go to the forum, didn't even go see the Lakers.

And then basketball came back to me.

Okay.

So wait, how did basketball come back to you?

Ronnie Turiaf.

Okay.

Got drafted by the Lakers, French guy.

My first patient here in LA was the journalist, the correspondent for L'Equipe, the big French newspaper, sports newspaper.

And he's like, hey, there's a French guy who's been drafted by the Lakers.

Do you want to go see?

He's like, yeah, let's go see him.

The summer league was at Long Beach, at the Pyramid before.

Okay.

We go there.

He's dunking on everyone.

We're supposed to have dinner.

Yeah.

We met.

We meet him.

We're like, hey, let's have a dinner on Friday.

He's like, yeah, I'm signing my contract on Friday.

We go to that French restaurant in Venice.

He's asking me for foie gras.

I know the chef.

He's French.

Yeah.

I know the chef.

He does the foie gras.

I become his friend.

I have that whole Ford Mustang 66.

He loves the car.

We go party at night.

We become friend.

Introduce me to the guy.

He's French.

He's French.

Tony Parker.

Start working with them.

Then the next thing you know, I'm the osteopath for the French national team.

That's so cool.

That's a long story short, but that's how it happened.

That was one side.

Oh, because you knew a chef.

Yeah.

You had some good foie gras.

Is that how you say it?

Yeah, foie gras.

Can't say I've ever tried it.

That was the French network.

The other one was my friend, my dear friend, Gunnar Pedersen.

He was the strength coach.

Yeah.

He was the strength coach.

Yeah.

He was the strength coach.

Yeah.

He was the strength coach.

Yeah.

He was the strength coach.

Yeah.

He was the strength coach.

Yeah.

He was the strength coach.

Yeah.

He was the strength coach.

Yeah.

He was the strength coach for the Lakers for a little bit.

Doesn't he work with the Kardashians now?

He works with a lot of people.

I mean, he works with everyone.

Celebrities.

Celebrities.

Everybody.

He does these signature workouts at F45.

Yes.

That's him.

Okay.

So, I go to F45.

Yeah.

Go.

It's always the Gunnar Pedersen workout.

Yeah.

I like his workouts.

That's him.

Yeah.

He's a great guy.

They're good.

One summer, 2010, he sent me Carmelo, sent me Corey Maggetti.

That was my American network.

Yeah.

Just word of mouth, little by little, people would come.

Like Candice Parker, for example, she came.

She had hamstring injuries and things like that.

And we started to work together.

And, you know, you became friends little by little.

The rest is history.

Yeah, the rest is history.

She won the championship going back home.

I mean, Candice is the best.

I have nothing but good things to say about Candice.

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I know that you've worked with a ton of NBA players and also just a fan of the game.

Yeah.

So today, I want you to build the ideal NBA player.

Okay.

In terms of skills or in terms of...

So here's the thing.

I have a list of different body and attributes.

Okay.

For this player.

Okay.

You just have to assign a player to these attributes.

Okay.

And we're building the ideal NBA player.

Okay?

Yeah.

All right.

First up, overall strength.

LeBron.

LeBron's overall strength.

Yeah.

Okay.

Explosiveness.

You want modern players or you want also me to go back?

Any.

Any.

You can go back in the day.

And we'll take everybody in their prime.

Yeah.

Prime time explosiveness.

Right now, I would really take Ja Morant.

I was going to say.

I mean, I think he's unbelievable in terms of explosiveness.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Explosiveness.

It's a phenom.

Yeah.

So what about speed?

Tony Parker.

Tony Parker?

Yeah.

Is that the quickest NBA player that you've seen?

I don't know.

No, because I mean, that I've seen, no.

I think Russell Westbrook is also pretty fast.

I was going to say Russell.

But the funny story with Tony, we were talking.

So I started working with him in 2009.

And I'm like, did you ever try to have a track coach to improve your speed?

Oh.

And he was like, well, I'm one of the fastest already.

You know?

Like, there's so much work you can do.

I'm like, yeah, but if you had one, you could be the fastest.

Right.

Because you're already so fast.

Yeah.

And it's natural speed.

He was incredible.

But it was a horizontal speed, like on the court and with the ball.

Okay.

And he was like, yeah, yeah, maybe I should have.

But he was late in his career, you know, like I said, but no, I didn't.

And the very interesting factor with Tony, it's when we would go and play during the summer and he would play against those international guards like the Teodosic.

And you would realize how fast he was, really, because when you go Tony against Russell Westbrook, he's fast against fast.

It's Lamborghini against Ferrari.

Right.

But when he goes back, he could play international basketball.

You realize how fast he was.

That's cool.

Yeah.

And with and without the ball, too.

Yeah.

Because there are some players who are really fast, but with the ball, they're not.

Yeah.

All right.

Next up, we have hand-eye coordination.

Hand-eye coordination.

That's a great question.

This is everything.

This is finishing at the rim.

This could play into steals, this could play into blocks, this could play into ball handling.

I mean, the full package for that, I think, is Steph Curry.

Steph Curry.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would say so.

He's right there.

Okay.

So we're taking Steph's hand-eye coordination.

What about basketball IQ?

I would put Draymond.

I'm hesitating between LeBron and Draymond.

Okay.

Yeah, I would put Draymond.

And last but not least.

Overall mentality.

Sorry.

I'm...

Wait.

We're taking away.

Okay.

Wait.

Basketball IQ.

Kobe.

Kobe.

Yeah.

That's a good one.

Kobe.

LeBron.

I think LeBron is unbelievable.

LeBron, to me, is more like Magic Johnson, which was my favorite player.

Yeah.

And I see him being a little bit more overall.

Yeah.

Let's put LeBron.

Wait.

No, no, no.

We have LeBron as overall strength.

I cannot have him twice.

You want to have him twice?

He's amazing.

All right.

All right.

Okay.

LeBron and overall strength and basketball IQ.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

And what about overall mentality?

You mean toughness?

Oh, nice.

Nice guy.

Toughness.

Toughness.

We don't need nice on the court.

For toughness, and I already named him, but for toughness, mental toughness, it's Tony.

Tony Parker?

Yeah.

Why do you say that?

What is something that we haven't seen from him?

Guys don't realize that coming from France, when he came in...

When he came in, being the starting point guard after five games at 20-something years

old, being groomed by Popovich, being groomed hard, Popovich said him himself, like he abused

him almost, but he made him what he was, to be able to do all of this, win the championships,

and I hear people saying, oh, he was part of a system, but he ran the system.

And being that little French kid that comes and able to do that, and the way he was able

to mature, get better, and also because I saw him perform with the French national team.

We struggled so much to try to win one championship because we had the Gasol, we had Spain, which

was the best international team.

Right.

Still a good team.

You had the two Gasol.

You had them.

They had Ibaka.

They had Ricky Rubio, who was playing an Olympic final at 16 years old.

Carlos Navarro, Sergio Rodriguez, Rudy Fernandez, they just had the team.

And it's no surprise that they went to the final twice against the U.S.

So to be able to overcome that and to not give up, we lost the quarterfinal in 2012 in the Olympics.

It was like, we're never going to beat those guys.

But to not give up.

That mentality of not giving up.

Of always trying, trying.

The two athletes like that, for me, it's him and Lynn Zevon, the skier.

Okay.

Yeah.

She has that toughness, too.

Yeah.

She's a beast.

They are the two toughest person that I think I've been working with.

That's awesome.

That doesn't mean the other ones are not tough.

Right.

I mean, it's another level of toughness.

That's another level.

Yeah.

Have you read Tim Grover's book?

Yeah.

So it's that cleaner mentality, right?

The cleaner is really Kobe or Jordan.

Yeah.

Because Tony's a nice guy.

I mean, obviously, from what we heard from the stories, we heard that Kobe, Jordan could

be an a**hole.

It gave them that edge, for sure.

In the gym and between the lines, he was the nicest guys outside.

But yeah, that's more like Michael Jordan, Kobe, I think, the cleaner.

Okay.

But Tony was in that.

He's up there.

He's up there.

He's just a sweet guy, too.

That dark side doesn't come out as much with him, right?

Yeah.

And he's probably the most underrated point guard of all time.

I think the fact that he's not in the top 75, I mean, it's a debate.

All those things are debate, but I think it's a travesty.

There was quite a few.

But I'm completely biased.

Before we move on, let's run down.

Okay.

So this is your ideal NBA player.

We have LeBron's overall strength.

We have Ja Morant's explosiveness.

We have Tony Parker's speed.

Steph Curry's hand-eye coordination.

LeBron's basketball IQ.

And Tony Parker's mental toughness.

He's a pretty solid player.

Not bad.

I like it.

All right.

It's time for the second half.

Okay.

Talking about the NBA 75 a little bit, were there any other players that you were hoping

made it?

It's not that I was hoping.

It's just it's so hard to make the list.

But if you ask me that, the one that comes to mind, it's Dwight Howard.

To me, that was the one that I think...

I think if you remember Dwight Howard for his eight years of dominance, he was dominating.

Right.

So I don't know the criteria of what makes a top 75.

Klay Thompson.

But to go back to Tony, like four rings, one MVP of the finals.

I think five or six times all-star.

You don't see him in there.

I think it's rough.

What did you feel about...

What did you feel about Charles Barkley saying what he said about Klay Thompson?

Did you hear that?

What did he say?

I remember, but I don't...

There was a little bit of a back and forth.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember.

He essentially said he's not the player that he used to be.

Yeah, of course.

You tell your Achilles.

You tell your ACL.

You tell your Achilles.

Even so, you rehab an Achilles, it takes about that first year, you make it.

You're able to play again.

You come back better the second year.

So he did twice.

He did two injuries.

ACL and Achilles.

So, okay.

All right.

He said he's not the same, but give him time.

Yeah.

It's normal.

That's what Klay said.

Right.

I heard you say, even in the interview with Spencer, when he tore his ACL for that first

time, and the doctors pretty much told him, we'll get you back.

It's going to take this long, but we don't know if you'll ever be back to what you used

to be.

Yeah, I remember that.

And I remember you came in immediately and was like, you don't say that.

No.

I mean, you could advocate that you say it.

But I don't think it's a good idea to say it.

Like, wait.

It immediately puts doubt in that person's mind.

But in some ways, sometimes with guys that are that competitive, it does the opposite.

Yeah.

But to me, it's shocking a little bit.

I'm a very optimistic and positive person.

And that's also why sometimes when they get and they tried everything and I still may

be able to instigate a little bit of fire, like a girl like Jackie Jamilus or even Ken

this was like, no, you, you give me that energy to think that I can do it again.

You know, or Chelsea Grace and figures what she said, like, she dislocated her kneecap

got drafted, but you dislocate your kneecap, you don't really know if you're going to be

able to play basketball again.

Yeah.

And then little by little, by staying positive by working hard, then you slowly see, you

know, the end of the tunnel.

What would you say is the worst injury that you've seen across sports?

That is the toughest to come back from?

So it was, um, you remember Sean Livingston?

Uh huh.

That injury, the one that I saw that I had to take care that I saw on the on the pitch

was on a rugby game.

The guy got tackled by a big Polynesian guy.

So you can imagine like, like the rock catching the knee and the whole team hitting the guy,

the poor guy, bringing, getting momentum the other direction.

Okay.

So the road runner cartoons, you know, when you fall and you see flat and the leg almost

90 degrees, I mean, the details, but bad.

Right.

So it's a full, uh, dislocation of the knee, which is what happened to Sean Livingston.

So to me, that's, that's one of the biggest one, toughest one that I have seen.

And he came back and won a championship after that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Great rehab.

And the thing is that, is that you can always come back if you do the work.

So if it's a complete dislocation.

So everything's gone.

Is this like tearing everything in your knee?

Basically MCL, ACL, uh, um.

Patellar.

Not, not the patellar tendon, but there's like a lot of damage.

Yeah.

And then, well, your body heals.

Right.

And you have great surgeons that do miracles.

And then if the, again, the patient, the patient, the surgeon and the physical therapist, if

everyone do their job correctly, you have a shot.

You've worked with some international soccer players as well.

What is most common injuries that you see in that sport, which is essentially the most

popular sport in the world?

Yeah.

Uh, so it's very interesting because the young kids that I'm taking care of, they're like

playing, obviously playing, you know, one kid's plays for Real Madrid, Aurelien Chouameni,

the other one plays for Barcelona, uh, Jules Koundé plays, they both play for the French

national team.

Um, one had his ankle fractured, you know, because they tackle sometimes and the foot

get caught and they break their ankles.

ACL, MCL, it's mostly lower extremity injuries.

Um, adductors a lot, uh, a lot of issue with their adductors because they play on different

type of pitch.

When it's winter, it's very heavy and they're always hitting the ball with the inside of

their foot.

So they can have issues there as well.

Uh, but it's very interesting because those two kids particularly, I started to work with

them when they were 16 and they were so freaking mature.

You knew they were going to succeed.

They come from the same team in Bordeaux and they're big NBA fans.

Oh, cool.

So it's very interesting to see that they were raised by Kobe Bryant and LeBron James.

So with the YouTube, with everything, with all the stuff that they have access to, they

study, they, they learn.

And it's, it's very nice to see that they know the game of basketball really, really

well.

And, and they like sponges, you know, like they, they, um, taking the knowledge from

what, what they've been seeing and those kids, they're going to have a great career, I think.

Can you talk about the difference between the EuroLeague and international basketball

as opposed to.

Yeah, because we're getting now a lot of influence and even you see guys like Luka dropping 50,

60 points.

I think Jason Kidd is doing a great job too.

Um, it's almost like a different sport.

Few of the rules make it, makes it a little bit different.

For example, your big center, like your Rudy Gobert, he can stay in the paint as long as

he wants.

Oh really?

There's no three seconds, uh, defensive three seconds.

How interesting would that have been if we had that when Shaq was playing?

Exactly.

How do you drive to the basket?

How do you drive to the basket?

You know?

So that's a big, that's, I think one of the big factor that, that makes the game a little

bit different.

Uh, so it, it seems in some sort of ways that it's way more tactical.

And also some of the players are still pretty athletic, but less athletic, like the best

one we see they, they, they have the hand up in the NBA.

So the game is a, I would say it's a little bit more turnaround.

The shooting, which here now is as well.

Um, but more like fundamental based in a way, I mean, you have fundamental players in the

NBA as well.

I don't want to, I don't want to sound that, I mean, not to downplay it because the U S

invented basketball and it's still the best basketball in the world, especially during

the playoff.

Yeah.

I won't say the teams, but I saw a game the other day and some players were injured and

I was at a game and like that second quarter was looking so atrocious in terms of basketball.

Yeah.

It's a little turnover decisions that you see that, but I'm sure you see that in the

Euro league as well.

Um, yeah, I feel like there's a little more from what I've seen, the, the finesse with

the players, um, their fundamentals, their basketball IQ is top tier.

And I'm not saying that it's better than NBA players, but it, I think there is less like

straight athletic ability that they're relying on.

Yeah.

So they have to heighten those things.

You also have to understand that the, the system how it is in Europe compared to the

U S I went to the real Madrid to work on that soccer player and I visited the, the whole,

it's a city where they have 600 athletes from seven years old to the pros, women and men,

soccer and basketball.

So when you look at Dan Siege coming from Slovenia, I don't know at what time, at what

age he came.

But if you come at the real Madrid at 12 years old.

You benefit from all that knowledge at a very early age, the knowledge, the basketball

knowledge, the basketball IQ, because you have some of the best coach in Europe.

You have players that play with you.

You can train with the pro when you're like 14 or something like that, probably even earlier.

So you see what an adult professional adult is doing to take care of his body.

Then you have access to the physical therapist that works for real Madrid, which they're

not.

It's really, really good.

You know, when you come to that place, it's a, it's a city.

It's unbelievable.

Like the, you look at NBA facilities that are pretty nice.

It's all over all other level, like it's unbelievable and everything is made for the athlete.

Have you seen IMG Academy?

I never been, but I've seen, I've seen maybe like a similar concept in a way.

I know that that's like, yeah, it's a little bit same.

It's more likely the INSEP in France.

Okay.

And all, all our, again, we send at 14 years old, they go there and they learn from the

best coach.

Yeah.

And I'm not saying the high school coaches, I'm sure there's amazing high school coaches.

There's amazing prep school.

There's amazing college program, but there's also AAU and I had my kids play you and you

can see kids playing five, six games per weekend, even more sometimes.

And they don't have access to that.

So if you look at the, I never looked at.

I don't.

I don't know if anyone did any number, but for example, the rate of injuries of European

players compared to American players, it will be very interesting to look at that and see

the difference.

Definitely.

Um, and then if you look at a kid that comes from college and Luka Doncic, but Luka is

exceptional, but a European players has been playing pro since he was 16 years old.

Right.

So he comes into the NBA, maybe he's not the most athletic, maybe he's not, you know, Jamarant

or Russell Westbrook, but he comes with such a baggage of IQ and, and acknowledge that

most of the time they actually play.

I feel that they're, they're very ready to play.

Because they're already playing against older guys, experienced guys, bigger guys.

It's already a faster speed where if you're coming from college, like say you're a Zion

type player at Duke, like you are playing against other top tier athletes, but the college

is so much slower.

Yes.

And not as physical.

Right.

And the kids are small.

You're an anomaly.

Right.

You're like so exceptional athletically that when you play against those guys, it's almost

no competition.

Right.

And, and you see when the US now, when they play internationally, they have to adapt and

it seems that they're starting to have more and more, the gap is shortening more and more.

It is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But also because it's, I think a different game.

Yeah.

And the basketball's influence has grown globally so much over the past 10 years.

Yeah.

It's amazing.

I think a lot of other players are getting into the sport.

Aside from what players can do like in the weight room, with rehab, at practice, what

are things off the court that you suggest to these players to make sure that they can

be the healthiest that they can be?

Sleep and food.

Yeah.

Sleep.

Sleep is the most important.

Like recently I have Arthur Kalief, he plays for the Kings, hockey.

His agent called.

He's like, can you help him?

He's not napping.

And we just figured out to get him to start napping, to take it as a practice.

Like it's going to be hard at first, but you're going to get better at it.

And until he got his foot broken by a puck, he was like just thriving because he's great.

But also having that little nap helped him tremendously.

So-

Is there like guidelines for-

Yeah.

I mean, that's pretty much the one you see on Instagram.

Like don't...

Before going to sleep, for example, like you're really, you bed night sleep.

Get off the phone.

Turn off the light.

Like the blue light.

Exactly.

Like all of those.

A colder room.

A little bit colder room.

Personally, I like to say don't drink water after 6 PM because you're going to wake up

during the night and be, so it's going to wake you up.

No light, no sound.

Try to block everything.

Real Madrid, they have room before the big games, they bring all the players together,

the soccer team.

You should see the bedrooms where they put them.

It's like bunkers.

What are they like?

It's super modern, super nice.

Yeah.

But the curtains that falls, it's like there's no noise, no light, and full black.

They do it on purpose.

They did their studies, you know?

Okay.

And they get the players to do that on a regular basis.

What if they did that for NBA players?

Too many games, I think.

What if it was like just finals?

There's a game every two days.

Maybe finals.

But even...

Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe finals.

But even once you get into a certain rhythm...

Right.

Trying to change...

Then you can't fall asleep without the TV.

Yeah.

You try to change it, it might affect, it might have an adverse effect.

Yeah.

But most of the players, they pay attention to their sleep and the nap.

They do it.

I think they also are just tired.

Yeah.

That too.

It's not that hard sometimes.

Yeah.

And right now, what I see is they play a lot of video games.

When you get and try to kill, I don't know how many kills you need to have.

And you have to go to sleep after that.

It's probably not the best.

So it's really...

Yeah.

Because your brain is still going.

Yes.

So it's really trying to find the balance.

Yeah.

The balance in what you do in your life, but you have to prioritize recovery.

I see also sometimes players, they're so eager to play, they're hoopers, so they want

to play basketball.

They overdo it.

Sometimes they overtrain.

So that's another aspect of it.

And then the second one is the food.

The petition.

Hire a chef or get a food delivery service.

If you're a rookie, get a food delivery service.

It's affordable, and at least you get your good nutrients, you get your good food, and

you don't have to...

Or you learn how to cook.

But it's very important what you put in your body.

Time consuming to cook.

Is the food better in Europe to you?

Quality?

Food quality?

Yeah.

The taste.

We hear that a lot.

Yeah.

If you taste just a tomato, if you taste a tomato in France or in Italy or in Spain,

you'll understand right away.

It feels like they feel very lame here.

Even Whole Foods or Air One or all those nice organic grocery places, it's just not the

same taste.

It feels like you need to have more food in order to get your nutrients.

Okay.

Yeah, no.

It's not the same.

Maybe not the best thing for us.

Going back to sleep a little bit, we heard Coby talk a lot about waking up super early

and then going in before games or then after a game.

If he wasn't playing...

He wasn't playing while he'd stay after and shoot however many shots, but where was his

sleep falling into this?

Well, he says it.

It's like he would wake up early, come back for breakfast, take the kids to the school,

have a little sleep, and he probably learned how to do power naps and he probably was going

to bed early in order to wake up at 4 o'clock in the morning.

If you want to wake up at 4 o'clock in the morning, you have to go to bed at like 9 to

be sleeping at 9.

And then I think...

I would say...

I don't know because I never worked with Coby, but I would say that he was probably very

good at power napping and at almost like intermittent...

You have the intermittent fasting, he would intermittent sleep.

What do you consider a power nap?

Like 30 minutes?

Yeah, 20.

Just trying to...

Because I...

20 to 30 minutes.

Because my body actually does that.

Yes.

Like I could nap, not set an alarm, and wake up between like 20 to 30 minutes normally.

Yeah.

And then you feel very refreshed.

Yes.

And if you sleep...

I can't sleep longer than that or I feel groggy.

And if you do sleep longer, you feel groggy.

Yes.

So you're probably hitting exactly the right amount of time that you need, but you're letting

your body dictate.

You don't put an alarm clock and...

Right.

Sometimes it's also that we go away from our instinct.

Like some people...

I'm going to tell you, we were talking about the quality of the food, but I remember it

was in the Olympics in London, Usain Bolt, which was the fastest athlete.

He was one of the fastest athletes in the world.

Before...

I mean, he was...

We had the...

At the Olympics, everyone hits together.

There's a huge restaurant.

He was eating McDonald's.

He was eating a burger.

And I remember that French athlete who was trying to...

Almost eating like macrobiotic or like super, super healthy, and she was disgusted because

she was like...

She was a track and field athlete.

She was fast, but she was like, I'm doing all of this, and that guy is just like eating

a Big Mac and...

He's the fastest in the world.

And he is the fastest in the world.

Yeah.

So I think the most important part is to, after like around 23, 24 years old, if you're

as an athlete, you should start knowing yourself, what works for you, and trying maybe to tweak

things there and there, but not to change it too much.

Not change it every off season.

Right.

You see some guys going from one trainer, one strength conditioning, that off season,

then he goes to another one, and then try to stick with what's been working really well.

Do you have any vegan athletes?

I used to.

Less and less.

Yeah?

Yeah.

It's a long debate.

I'm vegan.

I was just wondering.

I have not eaten meat since I was 18, so it's almost like 15 years now that I...

When did you stop sport?

I stopped that year, but it wasn't related to food.

I just didn't want to play.

Okay.

I stopped after a year.

But I mean...

Does that mean you work out, or you do things like this?

I feel better.

Yeah, yeah.

I have way more energy.

Yeah.

I have not noticed any decline in like...

Yeah.

But you're not pushing the body like a professional athlete?

No, but I did start running after I played basketball, and I was doing distance running,

and it did work for that.

Okay.

But yeah.

Again...

But Deandre Jordan is vegan.

Yeah.

Chris Paul was for quite some...

Is he still?

I don't know.

I think he is.

But he probably still is.

I think he is.

Deandre was for a little bit, but he stopped.

Yeah.

Steven Lillard was.

I will...

I saw the documentary.

I thought the documentary was great, but...

Oh.

I know what you're talking about.

Yeah.

And look.

I'm not pushing it on anybody.

No, no.

Same thing.

I don't even have any friends who are vegan.

I eat meat.

And fish.

But I know that I've done both, and I feel...

Just from purely like energy, recovery, little things like my skin, it does work for me.

So...

That's what I was wondering.

I want to see you in 20 years.

Okay.

And hopefully you're doing great, but I have a lot of patients, older patients, that have

been vegan for like 10, 15 years.

Uh-huh.

Well, I'm at 15-year mark.

Okay.

Almost.

All right.

Okay.

Well, the five more years...

I'll come back.

I'll let you know.

For sure.

But again, we go back to what I was saying.

It's tailor-made.

If it works for you...

Right.

It's great.

I personally don't think that an athlete should go vegan.

Fully vegan.

But it's just me.

I don't feel like an athlete should eat meat every day.

To me, it's more about what you said earlier, is the quality of the food.

Grass-fed, grass-finished.

It's the way they raise the food here in the States.

My grandparents are from Burgundy, so I would go to the farm, and you would grow a cow for

the milk, for everything.

And they would eat grass.

And I mean, we've been doing that for centuries.

Right.

Why are we switching?

Yeah.

Because the quality of what we serve to people is terrible.

I agree with you on that.

One last thing, going back to something that you mentioned, the Olympics.

Yes.

Paris.

What is your best memory from the Olympics?

So far?

So I did only one.

I did London.

Okay.

So I was...

I was in London.

Yeah.

And we qualified in 2011 for the Olympics, so we don't have to do the tournaments.

We know we're going to London with Tony Parker or everyone.

It's the first time he goes to it.

It's a big thing.

We get there.

I'm like, it's perfect.

The basketball tournament, you have one game, one day off, one game, one day off, so I can

go see all the other events.

I'm super excited.

And then the GM from the national team comes to me and is like, me, the doctor, and the

strength coach is like, guys, you're going to double up with the girl.

No, like you're breaking my dream, like I'm at the Olympics that we fought so hard for

that.

I'm going to have to double work and work with the girls.

Okay, I'll do it.

And then the girls, they had to qualify.

So they already had like 20 games and they were dead and they had to qualify Kuala Lumpur

or something like that.

And I arrived and I worked with Sandrine Gruda, which was the first one I worked on.

And they start...

They had no...

They didn't have a doctor.

They didn't have a strength coach.

They didn't have an osteopath.

And they start to embrace me like with love.

Like one girl, I was the sorcerer and we start working on every single girl.

Yeah.

And first game they play, they play Australia and they beat them.

Australia was the favorite with the US.

And so they kept winning.

And we have Céline Du Maire who's just on fire.

That's the only one I didn't touch.

I didn't want it to turn out...

I didn't want it to even...

I don't want to mess with that.

Yeah.

I didn't want to mess with her zone.

Yeah.

And we end up...

My dream was to make an Olympic final.

Yeah.

In the Olympic final against the US.

In basketball, that's the growl.

Right.

So we lost in the quarter final with the guys against Spain, but we went to the final

against...

That's amazing.

With the girls.

Against the US.

And crazy enough, Candice Parker come off the bench and she destroyed us.

Yeah.

That was my first intro with Candice Parker.

With Candice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And...

Because she was young then.

It was 2012.

2012.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And well, you know, she had a story with the USA basketball, but she comes off the

bench and she destroys us, but it was super happy.

Usually when you lose the final, you're not happy, but we called it white gold.

I love that.

The silver.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we made that beautiful picture.

Everyone was super happy and I got to leave my Olympic finals.

Yeah.

Now, I'd love to win an Olympic final with the guys against the US in Paris.

That's cool.

So that was...

Do you have a medal?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

That's sick.

But the Olympic, it's a funny one as well.

Only the players have Olympic medals.

Okay.

Not even the coach.

Huh.

So after the federations, they find ways of maybe doing them, but they were not.

I found mine on eBay.

Wait.

No, seriously, because you couldn't have any.

Whose is it?

Whose is it though?

Somebody sold theirs?

No.

No, no.

It's fake.

It's the replicas.

Oh, okay.

It's replicas.

Got it.

I got it.

So I got all my European championship medals.

Yeah.

The gold one, that they give to staff, but at the Olympics, they don't give a medal

to the staff.

Okay.

So you want a medal.

You want a little souvenir.

Of course.

One day, I was browsing on eBay, and I had the three of them, the gold.

I throw this in like for 75 bucks, but it actually looks like the silver medal.

Just frame it.

No one can touch it.

Yeah, exactly.

You can tell everybody it's the real one.

We won't tell.

But no, I know now the federation, they do replicas, like real replicas, and they give

it to the staff.

So if we got the gold in Paris, especially in Paris, I'm sure we'll have an original

medal.

That'd be dope.

Yeah.

We'll be on the lookout for that.

We are reaching the end of the game.

So I have some buzzer beaters for you.

Ooh, okay.

All right, Fabrice, what is the best game that you've ever been courtside for?

I've been to a few.

Playoff game in Utah, Jazz against Clippers when Rudy blocks Morris two years ago.

Okay.

That was cool.

Oh, yeah.

Because you work closely with Rudy.

I'm close with Rudy.

I love that kid.

He's a great person.

Nobody knows him really well because he's a little bit of an introvert, but he's a great

person.

And with everything that happened to him, to see him make that block, it's too bad he

didn't work out over there because the whole franchise was really, really cool.

Yeah.

And I was actually right.

He blocked it like right there.

Like right there.

Yeah.

Right in front of us.

So that was a cool one.

That's dope.

Who was one person dead or alive that you would love to sit courtside with?

Jesus?

No kidding.

You can.

No, I could.

I mean, yeah.

You'd have a lot of questions for him.

Exactly.

At least I would.

No, my two favorite one was Muhammad Ali and Magic.

Cool.

And I would go with Muhammad Ali.

Yeah.

But I don't know if I...

Yeah.

I would rather be in a restaurant or...

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would rather be in a restaurant or like with no noise and really taking the time

to...

But Muhammad Ali.

Yeah.

Maybe you guys can go to the little courtside club area in the bar.

Yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Grab a drink.

Exactly.

Watch the game on TV.

You don't even need to be courtside.

Yeah.

Muhammad Ali.

I would say Muhammad Ali or my dad.

Okay.

Now he passed away.

So now it would be cool to have my dad with me.

Yeah.

Love that.

Yeah.

What is one event in history that you would have loved to have been courtside

for?

It could be a sporting event or other.

When France won the World Cup in soccer.

98.

Cool.

Yeah.

I was in vacation.

I was in the South.

I would have loved to be at that game.

Yeah.

It would have been wild.

Yeah.

Fabrice, thank you so much.

You're welcome.

For coming on the courtside club.

Let everybody know where they can find you on socials.

So on social, it's mainly Instagram, at Fab9OsteoPro.

I have a TikTok that I started, but there's probably three videos there.

It's mainly Instagram.

It takes so much time.

Only Instagram, at Fab9OsteoPro.

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